Posted on 07/07/2009 10:30:02 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.
The pope made his call for a re-think of the way the world economy is run in a new encyclical which touched on a number of social issues but whose main connecting thread was how the current crisis has affected both rich and poor nations.
Parts of the encyclical, titled "Charity in Truth," seemed bound to upset free marketeers because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system.
The pope said every economic decision had a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.
Benedict said "there is an urgent need of a true world political authority" whose task would be "to manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result."
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
I kinda doubt that, but I'm opened to being convinced.
Tell us what you honestly think Jesus would say about the hundreds of years of the Inquisition, with its compelling adherence to the Catholic Church; even going so far as torturing and murdering thousands, in His Name.
Maybe not -- but he sure was right on that one.
You wrote:
“Unfortunately your Pope is either very weak on understanding the nature of power concentrated in a few, or disingenuous. How long do you think a world governing power will allow people to pick and choose how the money taken from them is spent? My guess is about 2 seconds.”
Jesus urged men to be perfect like His Father. Is that weak or disingenuous?
Thanks for that kind permission. Now, stick with English, if you please.
THANKS.
I’ve seen the listing hereon, I think.
What’s the copyright year?
You wrote:
“Not quite. Read Acts 15:7-21. Peter spoke, then Barnabas and Paul, and James rules, even saying “My judgment is this....” It was not a consensus, but a ruling by James.”
No. After Peter spoke the others agreed with him. The issue was DONE.
“Galatians 2:11-13, which takes place before the passage I cited in Acts, also indicates that Peter was subordinate to James, even though James was wrong in his beliefs at the time:
No. The passage in no way indicates that Peter was subodinate to James.
“Note that Cephas (Peter) was in Antioch, which means that James’ influence was not just confined to Jerusalem.”
Influence. Not authority.
“Early Christian tradition (see the writings of Eusebius, for example) also places James as the head of the church in Jerusalem.”
Right. And who is denying that here?
“Eusebius, quoting Hegissupus, also records that Jesus’ cousin, Simeon, was appointed head of the church in Jerusalem after James was martyred.”
Again, who is denying that here?
“I agree with you that Peter was Bishop of Rome. History records that. As a Protestant, I disagree with you that this means anything special, but that disagreement doesn’t rise to the level of anything worth arguing about, especially in these perilous times.”
Wrong. The only reason why these times are perilous is because of the Protestant Revolution. No such evolution, and then there never would have been a modern rise of Islam, or communism, or socialism, etc.
“We’re both brothers in Christ and are called to be the salt and light of the world. That’s the important thing.”
We’re separated brethen. I answer the call given to me.
Guess the Pope never heard of the WTO, GATT, IMF, BIS, Group of 20, etc...
How much more manipulation of the world economy do we need?
You fell for the leftist MSM intepretation:
We already have a global regulatory body - it’s rule is “pass the tab for the recession onto the American taxpaying class.”
International banks and businesses have covered their butts at your expense. From what Ihave read, the Pope is arguing that multinational banks and businesses currently operating above and beneath the law and are acountable to no one, and pass their failures and misery onto whomever they can.
I do not agree that a multi-national oversight group is the answer, because they are human and are as susceptible to the sin of greed and are as weak before the covetousness of power as the rest of us.
I need to read the Pope’s words themselves, in the context of his speech and argument. Reuters summaries won’t do, much less their headlines.
See CS Lewis: “Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
good point:
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
You and I are not viewed overly fondly by a significant chunk of the RC's.
And, frankly, you and I have quite divergent perspectives on Calvinism.
However, I believe that we both care sincerely for the lost, the posers, the pretenders, the deceived, the clueless, the RELIGIOUS, the idolaters . . . of every stripe, flavor and label.
I believe that we can both agree with the Scripture that God would not prefer that any were lost . . . though we might have quite different perspectives on the 'therefore what's.'
Would I be wrong that you care similarly?
In any case, this post RE The Pope's calling for a more comprehensive world government leaves no room for rationalizations. This is a critical issue. One is either FOR the looming world government and its leader satan
One is wholeheartedly, emphatically and thoroughly
The looming global government of Biblical END TIMES PROPHECY.
There is NO room for middle ground. The earlier Vatican encyclicals straddling the bob-wire fence are hollow, nonsense.
POLITICAL, BUREAUCRATIC, RELIGIOUS, FANCY WORD-DANCING over and around the issues is SEDUCTIVE, demonized nonsense regardless of who engages in it. And there will be an abundance of such word-dancing from many flavors of RELIGIOUS centers power between now and Armageddon.
Folks who are soooooooooooooo addictively reverentially adoring of structures, leaders, philosophies, personages, rituals, customs, organizations . . . ANY-thing, EVERY-thing LESS THAN GOD ALMIGHTY . . . such that they cannot/WILL NOT receive the truth of these words are on very dangerous ground. They MUST decide at the earliest opportunity to put GOD ALMIGHT--THE LORD JESUS--FIRST, FOREMOST IN THEIR LIFE.
Some will rationalize that they are merely "DEFENDING THE TRUTH" etc. etc. etc. yada, yada, yada. GOD KNOWS THE TRUTH OF THAT. The piercing discerining fire of Holy Spirit will be striking and slicing through the rationalized demonic chaff of many such thoughts anew for some who are reading these words. Some will have a new degree of freedom of choice upon reading these words. THEY MUST NOT shuffle that freedom aside and instead cling tighter to the dry husks of demonized RELIGION.
They MUST break free and CLING INSTEAD MORE TIGHTLY THAN EVER TO JESUS AND JESUS ALONE.
Some folks will be inclined to rationalize that ALL their rituals, structures, adorations of personages, individuals, offices, organizations, customs etc. IS putting Christ first. The RELIGIOUS leaders 2000 years ago pontificated similarly. Christ would have none of it then. His Spirit will have none of it now. His Spirit knows THE TRUTH about all hearts regardless of the mental rationalizations to the contrary.
This is true of folks in EVERY denominational, organizational, "Christian" group.
We are at the door of the slippery slope rushing headlong at an ever faster clip to Armageddon. Any other view is blind, deaf, dumb, clueless. Sorry. It has nothing to do with my personal perspective. The Scripture and obvious global evidence no longer leave any room for any other perspective to be called truth on that issue.
I don't recall ever writing such a fierce post. It shocks and sobers me to watch the words come out of my fingers. I have a slight human tendency to want to say "But Lord . . . " Yet HE WILL HAVE NONE OF IT. The PRESS of . . . an incredibly strong hand at my back is unmistakable. The words from these flawed humble fingers will be truth and life from The Lord when Holy Spirit confirms them as such and the individual receives them as such.
I certainly encourage folks to weigh these words and TAKE THEM TO THE LORD FOR HIS CONFIRMATION OR NOT.
However, IF AND WHEN THE LORD confirms them to an individual's heart and mind--THEN, they have no choice but to follow through AS THE LORD WOULD HAVE FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL ACCORDINGLY.
I encourage folks to
I don't know how to describe what I feel and what is pouring through my spirit as I write this post. I don't ever recall feeling quite the same way ever before.
I'm taken quite by surprise by it as I do it. I did not expect this as I began this post.
I just know emphatically that these issues are ETERNAL issues. ETERNAL destinies will be decided based on these issues.
Organizations, structures, rituals, personages, adorations of anything else, rationalizations, idolatries, smug 'in-group' confidences; human habits; customs; unforgiveness, pride, judgmental, self-righteousness, righteousness in anything else but the Blood of Jesus; forms of Godliness while denying the Power thereof; "social custom-affinity-'Christianity;'" works of the flesh; confidence in the flesh; . . . have only death as fruit.
PRETENDING and rationalizing otherwise will not enliven the corpse.
Clinging to dry husk demonized RELIGION will not enliven the corpse.
Taking offense at the fierceness of this post will not bring life.
NOTHING else is sufficient.
NOTHING else is remotely sufficient!
NOTHING else has a whiff of sufficiency.
NOTHING else has a sub-atomic particle's worth of sufficiency.
Via Steve Foss: Psalm 132:7-9:
Virtually every "Christian" organization and congregation has evolved customs that have become construed as and labeled as, believed to be, to equal, to result in "RIGHTEOUSNESS" when they are, in fact, a human, if not, demonized stench.
GOD SEEKS TO MEET with each individual . . . all the time, throughout all our days and moments. All the more so at places called His houses of worship.
Yet, most congregations focus on everything but RELATIONSHIP immediacy, intimacy, dialogue, the PRESENCE of The Lord IN DIALGOUE with each individual and with each group. Tickling itching ear "Christianity" does NOT cut it.
[See Mat 12:3; Mat 24:1-2--a prophetic warning of The Lord]
RELIGION has taken the place of RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
RELIGION has taken the place of living out God's priorities with one another . . . the 2nd Commandment and the Golden Rule.
Folks follow through on rituals and congratulate themselves foolishly that they are 'spiritually' safe and quite OK--top flight even--when they've not really even entered the Doorway of RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD nor even healthy, authentic relationship with one another.
God will not be marked. His priorities are clear in Scripture. NO rationalizations, nor rituals otherwise will absolve anyone of any degree of ignoring God's priorities. And every congregation has it's seductive rituals in all denominational organizations. Some rituals in and of themselves are fairly benign--until folks IMPUTE to them, Salvific redemptiveness. White-washed tomb RELIGION will never cut it--no matter how quaint, cute, rosy, warm and fuzzy the rituals involved.
Satan is not playing a shallow, inconsequential game regarding globalism.
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BTW, The following link to a Sid Roth interview with Grace William and the MIRACULOUS music GOD HAS BEEN RELEASING THROUGH HER as well as her miraculous healing . . . her atheist mother's conversion etc. It includes the touching and impactful "DON'T EVER LET ME GO." It's well worth a listen.
Grace William's own website is:
The Sid Roth interview is at:
http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=7505
The Pope's own words are worse than that Reuters article. Post #143 is strictly his words, unedited.
I doubt your Pope is being disingenuous. It's more likely he's just revealing his lack of understanding.
I realize it's very hard for RC's to criticize anything your Pope says or does and that anyone who does you perceive to be attacking your church and your faith. However, this socialist drivel is naive and wrong and I suspect the conservative RC's know it. The naivete is the idea that a large centralized bureaucracy with the power to enforce it's decisions will let authority rest at the lowest levels. I have yet to see this happen on a national level let alone a global level. The socialist drivel that by redistributing wealth everyone will be better off has been shown throughout history to be a bitter failure. The USSR could never get their wheat to market and suffered severe famines as a result, yet the little plots of land that Russians were allowed to grow their own vegetables on flourished.
If he wants to see the poor nations improve he should embrace free markets not blame them for the consequences of govt incompetence and manipulation of them.
Grace William’s own website is:
[Per Quix, html coding did not convey the site, so here it is.]
Another thread said that more and more Hispanics are leaving the RCC and are joining other Christian churches. It may take a while, but that is a key group that conservatives need to win over if this country is going to be saved.
Don't forget that for the minority of conservative RC's they are torn between defending their church and conservative principals. I don't believe it can be reformed because of it's structure, but if they are trying to do that God bless them.
Nice post!
I apologize for goofing the html coding for her site as well as for the typos in that post.
e.g.
God will not be marked = God will not be mocked . . .
I will read the encyclical in it’s entirety before passing judgement. Few people would disagree with the popes quoted remarks at the end of the Reuters article. Certainly ethics and morals must be a part of the business world or there is complete and utter ruthlessness.
“Then may we tke it that you agree with the Pope’s idea?”
No, we should read my entire post, ask someone who understands these things what a “Protty” is and then you might get the sarcasm that was my original post.
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