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Birthers In The Mainstream
Boston Phoenix ^ | 7/22/09 | Davey Bernstein

Posted on 07/22/2009 8:35:28 AM PDT by pissant

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To: Mr. K
"Why does obama even have a COLB (certificate of live birth)??

Those are given to non-citizens.

If you have a vlid long form, why would you even ask for a COLB?"

Completely false. You are buying into some bogus information that has been spread around the internet.

The COLB is a birth certificate. It is the official document Hawaii provides when one requests their birth certificate. That is what you would get. It isn't given out to foreigners, Hawaii must have the birth records in order to create a COLB.

61 posted on 07/22/2009 9:56:31 AM PDT by mlo
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"I believe questions were raised about Barry Goldwater (born in AZ before it became a state) and George Romney (born in Mexico to American citizen Mormon colonizers) when they were candidates for POTUS. So would we actually be Birthers IV?"

Questions being raised isn't enough. Those questions were answered, and those individuals were eligible. As is Obama, since he was born in Hawaii. Someone having "questions" doesn't prove a thing.

62 posted on 07/22/2009 9:58:16 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Col Freeper
Ummmm .... isn't the correct label “Birthers II”, since Senator McCain had to show his birth certificate and thus his eligibility? Obviously there has already been a "Birthers I" group who were "rabidly" demanding to be shown a Republican candidate's birth certificate.

Actually the correct label would be "Birthers III". The first 'birther' movement began in 1964 when Barry Goldwater ran on the (R) ticket, and yes it was by Dimocrats. Goldwater was born in Arizona TERRITORY in 1909 before it became a state and there was a huge issue over Goldwater being 'natural born'. He ended up being defeated so it became moot. "Birthers II" group were again Democrats going after John McCain in 2008. So now its "Birther III" and Democrats are labeling this group nutcases conveniently forgetting that THEY were birthers as well.

BTW: We should be throwing this in their faces at every opportunity.

63 posted on 07/22/2009 10:00:20 AM PDT by conservativegramma (I)
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To: pissant
"If he has a legit BC, fine. Let’s see it."

OK.

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64 posted on 07/22/2009 10:02:00 AM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo

Hey dipstick, that’s his COLB. And it is a fake one at that.


65 posted on 07/22/2009 10:03:09 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Now, what can we do about it?

Ideally you would take it to SCOTUS, which has been, is in the process of, but keeps getting punted. Not one case has yet been ruled based on the merits of the cases. In other words SCOTUS apparently is in on this coup de tat. I myself would file a lawsuit but it would be rejected due to 'lack of standing'.

Secondly, you would get the military involved as they certainly do have standing, which brings us to Major Cook. I believe his case is being refiled in Florida. But with that said, apparently the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff appear to be in on this coup de tat as well since none of them will question Obama on his non natural-born status.

Thirdly, Congress should be demanding an investigation as would certainly be the case if Obama were a conservative republican instead of the marxist that he is. We know that's not going anywhere.

This is why I say there is High Treason going on throughout all levels of our government. Honestly the only solution I see isn't pleasant. We're going to have to be content to lose all of our freedoms, revolt, or go into civil war. I'm keeping fingers crossed that at least one judge will finally realize the magnitude of this issue and demand a ruling based on the merits and not standing.

66 posted on 07/22/2009 10:07:08 AM PDT by conservativegramma (I)
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To: pissant

LOL, I see mlo is back. More flak coming. It must be truly alarmed to be back on these threads!


67 posted on 07/22/2009 10:08:17 AM PDT by conservativegramma (I)
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To: STE=Q

Very interesting article.

However, there is great stress in certain sections that the child’s status depended greatly upon the status of the father. Of course, all these quotes were written before women had the right to vote, and that might color these statements.

But, if the FATHER’s status is the determinent, then Barack Obama is a British citizen no matter where he was born and only an American citizen if he CHOSE to be upon becoming 18. And if he became a US citizen by CHOOSING to be, that still does not make him a natural born citizen. Of course, he might have been an Indonesian citizen at some point in between.

It seems that there are many questions to be answered:

Is there a Marriage Certificate?
Is there a valid Birth Certificate?
Is there an adoption certificate?
Did he declare himself to be a foreign student at any time after the age of 18?


68 posted on 07/22/2009 10:09:49 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Star Traveler

Good point. We should be up in arms (figuratively speaking) for many reasons.


69 posted on 07/22/2009 10:13:57 AM PDT by Madistan ((This space for rent))
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To: mlo

I like the part where it says:

“Fathers Race: African”

Was that before or after Africa became a country?

STE=Q


70 posted on 07/22/2009 10:15:10 AM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Madistan
“You guys were wrong about his nationality, and you’re wrong about him being a muslim/socialist/Reverend Wright lover” etc.

There is no quid pro quo to justify dismissing all claims because one is shot down.

This was the fallacy trumpeted by the Obama campaign during the 2008 election.

On their "fight the smears" subpage, they put forth the allegations that Obama attended a Madrasa and was sworn into office on a koran. Neither was the case.

However he did attend koranic studies class while he was a student in Indonesia. He made the claim himself that he was caught goofing off in this class. He also recited the Islamic call to prayer in arabic for a NYTime reporter.

His campaign made the claim that he was a lifelong Christian. Why would his non-observant muslim fathers and his agnostic mother baptize him as a Christian? Where is the baptism certificate (uh oh, another paper trail for Obama).

They used some bogus claims to dismiss the entirety of the controversy. It doesn't work though.

Also seen claims by Obama staff that he was born at two different hospitals in Hawaii. Shouldn't he be able to get this information from his birth certificate?

71 posted on 07/22/2009 10:15:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: pissant

There have been only a few comments on the Boston Phoenix site. Maybe some Freepers knowledgeable about this issue should add some commentary, which is much more likely to get this issue out there than more posts here at FR.


72 posted on 07/22/2009 10:17:24 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The marriage certificate would be null and void, his father was already married. It was either bigamy or polygamy.


73 posted on 07/22/2009 10:17:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise
His campaign made the claim that he was a lifelong Christian. Why would his non-observant muslim fathers and his agnostic mother baptize him as a Christian? Where is the baptism certificate (uh oh, another paper trail for Obama).

Obama, himself, said that Jeremiah Wright led him to Christianity. He was enrolled in a Catholic school in Indonesia as a Muslim. Unless the nuns at that school in Indonesia dunked him in Holy Water, we was not a Baptized Chrhistian. So, where does the claim "life long Christian" come from?

74 posted on 07/22/2009 10:19:35 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: mlo

I don’t see the name of the hospital or the attendant physician on it.


75 posted on 07/22/2009 10:20:08 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Plutarch

Considering how few people other than gay libtards read it, I’m not so sure.


76 posted on 07/22/2009 10:21:59 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

The Boston Phoenix was America’s first “underground” left wing newspaper. Now there are dozens, usually called “weekly”
Like the Tucson Weekly.


77 posted on 07/22/2009 10:23:19 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: conservativegramma
BTW: We should be throwing this in their faces at every opportunity.

Very perceptive of you conservativegramma. I see you picked up on my underlying recommendation without me even having added it to my post (I forgot to add it before hitting the post button).

Well, of course, there's also "Great minds think alike", as a reason. LOL

78 posted on 07/22/2009 10:25:15 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Have to go to the Google cache, it’s not on the main page anymore...

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:ZudHo5moYCoJ:fightthesmears.com/articles/3/baracksfaith+fight+the+smears+obama+christian&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

This is Google’s cache of http://fightthesmears.com/articles/3/baracksfaith.

It makes the claim “committed Christian” in this capture of the cache. I seem to recall the phrase “lifetime”. But then I also recall them lobbing the madrasa and other claims. In this capture, it is made in the MSM (CNN, Newsweak) as examples of what his critics were claiming.

They claim he’s regularly attended church with his kids for years. Except since his election he’s been to church twice (his grandmother’s funeral and Easter Sunday).

He’s not bringing his children up in a religious observant household.


79 posted on 07/22/2009 10:26:50 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: a fool in paradise
Snopes.com changes hospital of Obama's birth 90 minutes after WND.COM article but has no..evidence (6/8/09)

Obama's 'birth hospital' in astonishing cover-up (July 11, 2009)

The Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children is electronically cloaking what it had touted as a Jan. 24 letter from the president, in which the commander in chief, just four days after his inauguration, supposedly wrote, "As a beneficiary of the excellence of Kapi'olani Medical Center – the place of my birth – I am pleased to add my voice to your chorus of supporters."

Obama birth mystery: More than 1 hospital(7/7/09)

But according to Snopes, the popular online hoax-buster that many rely on as the final word on both important and frivolous stories, Obama was born at a different hospital in the Hawaiian capital.

In Snopes' entry concerning allegations that Obama is a "radical Muslim," the site addresses the birth history of the commander in chief, stating, "Barack Hussein Obama was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii."

WND took a screen shot of the entry and highlighted the name of the hospital.

UPI scrubbed their account too:

So there is a conspiracy to cover up. Why "revise" the historical record with no statement of correction?

80 posted on 07/22/2009 10:35:33 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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