Posted on 07/28/2009 5:29:21 AM PDT by reaganaut1
No, I don’t believe you’re correct. If Obama was born outside the U.S. and one of his parents was over 18 and a U.S. citizen he would be a natural born citizen. He could have been a dual citizen, but he still would be considered a natural born citizen.
So you are going to tell me that his Grandparents could not have placed the birth announcement? Only the parents? That has nothing to do with breaking into the newspaper. Grandparents place birth announcements all the time.
“Look at Palin. She keeps getting sued and the fact that she has to spend lots of money defending herself (she says so) doesn’t mean she is guilty.”
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Absolutely no comparison. Palin has been the target of frivolous ethics complaints that she had to DEFEND against. This is a request that Obama could easily comply with by RELEASING HIS LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
Excerpt from attorney Orly Taitz letter to Congress:
“There is plenty of evidence of Mr. Obama being born in Kenya and obtaining his Hawaiian birth certificate based on a statement of his grandparent only, who simply didn’t want to deal with immigration and not based on any records from any hospitals. Extensive searches in the State of Hawaii showed no birthing records for his mother [Stanley] Ann Dunham in any hospital in Hawaii.”
Why did he issue an executive order his first day in office sealing all his records, college, birth, everything!Excuse me but Obama didn't do that - and he can't. No POTUS could.
That World NUT Daily article that started this EO nonsense was complete bull. An EO only pertains to the Executive Branch of the government and how its administered / regulated(1). That EO was only for his Presidential papers, nothing else.
And as I recall Dubya issued a similar EO 'protecting' certain Clinton Admin documents, and that didn't sit well for those who wanted Bush 'to get' Clinton.
(1) Unless further acted upon by Congress.
This is exactly my case. Why spend this kind of money and effort on keeping a document from public view which a liberal organization has already produced a supposed copy of an authenticated document?
I don't care who you are you don't make an effort to hide what is supposed to be a matter of public record without a hidden agenda!
Personally, I think Obama is a NBC, but something is not right when a President feels it's necessary to hide his own Original Birth Records from public view.
“I read this and that the birth was listed in two newspapers
seems to end the argument.”
The New York Times recently made 7 factual errors in the Walter Cronkite obituary. What makes you willing to trust any newspaper without verification?
You’re very late, but welcome to the party anyway.
Others have pointed out that the newspaper announcement does NOT say where he was born and that the address is wrong. It doesn’t end there. There were twins, the Nordyke girls shown in the kindergarten picture, born that day but who’s announcement is missing. Look at the newspaper, notice that the list of announcements are one continuous list except where the advertisements are cut and pasted between some names. There is a line at each ad showing where they were inserted. No other birth has a cut and paste line except Hussein’s and the kid below. Why mess with the other kid’s? Because it would be too obvious if the column was too short and to have lines only on Hussein’s so the other kid was added to make up the room for the extra space when the twins’ might have/could be/looks suspicious was taken out. Now, there’s claims there are no originals of the newspaper just as there’s no originals of the long form bc and the only record missing from the kindergarten class which would have back up info is his. But sure, whatever, let’s just take his word for it and move on.
It's an interesting strategy to make the voting public suspicious and mistrustful of his honesty, integrity and right to be President. Plus it seems to be impacting his ability to institute his agenda. Do you believe the number of birthers is increasing or decreasing the longer this goes on?
This is what the Obama Adminstration is all about-Revenge,
Redistribution,and Revenge!
I’ve decided I believe the many reports that there is no other form out there. He has nothing to show. Everyone can’t be in on the conspiracy. I choose to go with sanity whenever possible.
It’s easyh to believe this editorial was written by “The Editors”. It appears that different editors wrote different paragraphs and they never got together to compare.
When Hawaii issued birth certificates they notified the papers. In addition grandparents often notify newspapers of children born - even elsewhere - so other people in the area are made aware.
The key issue here is, Hawaii issued birth certificates to children not born in Hawaii. Look it up. It is a known fact. Only the long form certificate indicates where the child was actually born and if it was abroad or not. If Obama was not born in the US he did not qualify even for US citizenship much less being “natural born”. His mother was not in the US long enough after turning 14 to qualify her son. His father was not a US citizen at all.
Those are the facts of the matter.
Another interesting tidbit is the address given in the Obama's birth newspaper release doesn't match where any of the family lived. None of the neighbors have any recollection of a black kid living at that address at the time.
As the above article says - what the state of Hawaii issued is good enough for any purpose to prove his citizenship.
As the article above says: The grandmother never did say she witnessed his birth - you can read the actual transcript - the complete transcript - of the telephone call for yourself and you'll see she confirms he was born in hawaii.
The idea that Obama has spent millions hiding his certificate is false. The idea that he is shelling out money hand over fist is often used as an argument - but the attorneys have all done the work pro-bono (they are attorneys donating their time to the democratic party) or have been attorneys employed by the justice department. It isn't costing him a thing.
There are people who say even if he was born in Hawaii, he still isn't natural born - because hawaii was not a state (it was), because his mother had to live in the US first years after he was born (she doesn't), because his father was a british subject, because his mom wasn't yet 18 (she was). Head over to
www.usconstituion.net - and read for yourself what does and does not constitute a natural born citizen.
So why not just show the long form? Assuming he has it - I don't have mine, for instance - but I do have a "short form" that I requested when I joined the military a lifetime ago, The immediate answer that comes to my mind is that it works much better for Obama to have his opposition embroiled in our own little "9/11 Truther" - something that really doesn't stand a chance of doing any damage - but will keep us conservatives occupied. And if it does get blown up big - say next month - won't it be great for the Dems to have every news network do a special investigation and come up with the same damn stuff on national tv that any of us can just by going through google? Because you know they aren't going to dig any deeper - just a visit to fact check, urban legends.com, snopes, and a constitutional lawyer talking about what is and isn't a natural born citizen. We'd look like idiots, he'll seem that much shinier, and the dems will use the honey moon to roll over a few of our rinos who'll not want to be seen as being on the side of the "birthers." In the end, we'll just have gone a long way towards getting a few of his special projects passed - like tax hikes, socialized medicine, and re-criminalizing of wealth and success.
State [Hawaii] declares Obama birth certificate real, again
Wash Post | 7/27/09 | staff
Posted on 07/27/2009 7:03:39 PM PDT by pissant
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2302449/posts
Berg's case went all the way to the Supreme Court. To fight all those appeals and to manage all the the lawsuits across the country took and continues to take attorney time.
Well?...Maybe all those attorneys are donating their time, but that time still has a dollar value even if donated.
And...Anyone who has had a divorce, or knows someone who has had a divorce, can pull out a pocket calculator and figure out the value of the attorney time that has gone into to suppressing the release of Obama’s documents.
You must really think Americans are stupid.
Oh...By the way, U.S. attorneys showed up for Keyes case before Judge Carter in California ( about two weeks ago). Few Americans would think that U.S. attorneys are working for free. The taxpayer is paying them.
Is there a journalist anywhere with a MOLECULE of curiosity left? Why hasn’t a journalism student at some college in Hawaii taken a smidgen of initiative and gotten off his or her butt and gone to that dumpy apartment complex Obama had Grandma living in and interviewed her neighbors???? How about picking up a phone book and speaking with the relatives of the people who actually lived at the address listed in Obama’s birth announcement? Documents are all well and good, but nothing replaces old-fashioned reporting. But today’s journalists find doing more work than walking to the fax machine outrageous. They all have graduated from the Maynard G. Krebs School of Journalism.
And of course you ignore the fact that his father was NOT an American citizen. How do you define ‘natural born citizen’?
If you are from Wichita and you are in the service stationed in Germany and you have a child born, where would you post the birth announcement? Would you not post it in your home town?
The birth announcements are nothing more than information provided by the parents or the family. Interestingly the announcements do not note the place of birth, only the fact of it. The Long Form Birth Certificate would provide the information regarding the actual place of birth. Why haven't we seen that? How hard would it be for Obama to have that released?
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