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The post where you said I was immature was post sixty-nine! Good job! |
Posted on 08/14/2009 5:28:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Did you walk on the glaciers?
LOL! Speaking of glaciers, where you still around when the SOS Darwin sank like the Titanic after hitting a glacier in the Holy Land? LOL!
I know the universe is millions+ years old just by looking at the night sky. It took millions of years for the light from the stars we see to get to earth. If the universe was not appropriately aged, then either
a) the normal speed of light is not constant, in which case you might as well throw out ALL “scientific” theory either for OR against evolution. Without basic constants, you can’t make any accurate claim. This includes attempted scientific attempts to explain creationism
...or...
b) God created the universe with the false impression of a past that didn’t really exist. It would be like if God created the universe midway through my post here. The momentum of everything suggests that I actually wrote the preceding words, but if I didn’t, that would be some deception. Since I don’t believe in a God of lies, I choose to believe that the light DID, in fact, take millions of years to reach earth.
Pretty simple stuff, really.
I know the universe is millions+ years old just by looking at the night sky. It took millions of years for the light from the stars we see to get to earth. If the universe was not appropriately aged, then either
a) the normal speed of light is not constant, in which case you might as well throw out ALL “scientific” theory either for OR against evolution. Without basic constants, you can’t make any accurate claim. This includes attempted scientific attempts to explain creationism
...or...
b) God created the universe with the false impression of a past that didn’t really exist. It would be like if God created the universe midway through my post here. The momentum of everything suggests that I actually wrote the preceding words, but if I didn’t, that would be some deception. Since I don’t believe in a God of lies, I choose to believe that the light DID, in fact, take millions of years to reach earth.
Pretty simple stuff, really.
Yeah, that’s at least as obvious and as simple when you look at little kids with progeria I suppose. I see little old people.
I don’t think God has to trick us with age by measuring the lights, I think merely trusting Him at His own Word would be more than sufficent and IN FACT much MUCH “simpler stuff”.
Really.
If I’m going to accept a God of Truth, then surely He’s capable of simply telling us His truth, rather than all the guessing games with scientific formulas, the speed of light, all of which is very new in the grand scheme of things...and only available to men in recent centuries...
ALL formulated BY men incidentally, and really doesn’t address what ancient peoples were supposed to get by on until they understood lights taking millions of years to reach the earth...speaking of a past (of understanding God’s Truth) that didn’t exist!!!!!!!
Ummmm that would be like God created the universe midway through your post? As if only people of more recent times were capable of understanding His truth through scientific formulas and man-made knowledge and the people before this breakthrough were simply SOL????
Nooooo, it makes alot more sense to me that God would include EVERYONE, and in terms they could actually easily understand, and speaking of constants...you seem to be overlooking the only one that actually matters:
GOD!
REALLY!
Perhaps. But regardless, it makes no difference to science.
Take the case of the development of the embryo. We could just say that God created babies and leave it at that. Isn't it better for us to understand the mechanisms? The studies didn't require that we say God did it or God didn't do it. Same with evolution.
Why do you hijack the work of another Christian?
“Meanwhile, Schweitzer’s research has been hijacked by “young earth” creationists, who insist that dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years. They claim her discoveries support their belief, based on their interpretation of Genesis, that the earth is only a few thousand years old. Of course, it’s not unusual for a paleontologist to differ with creationists. But when creationists misrepresent Schweitzer’s data, she takes it personally: she describes herself as “a complete and total Christian.” On a shelf in her office is a plaque bearing an Old Testament verse: “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”
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Creation magazine claimed that Schweitzer’s research was “powerful testimony against the whole idea of dinosaurs living millions of years ago. It speaks volumes for the Bible’s account of a recent creation.”
This drives Schweitzer crazy. Geologists have established that the Hell Creek Formation, where B. rex was found, is 68 million years old, and so are the bones buried in it. She’s horrified that some Christians accuse her of hiding the true meaning of her data. “They treat you really bad,” she says. “They twist your words and they manipulate your data.” For her, science and religion represent two different ways of looking at the world; invoking the hand of God to explain natural phenomena breaks the rules of science. After all, she says, what God asks is faith, not evidence. “If you have all this evidence and proof positive that God exists, you don’t need faith. I think he kind of designed it so that we’d never be able to prove his existence. And I think that’s really cool.”
Can creationists read the writing that's hidden yet on the surface?
And evos aren't nearly as funny as they think they are putting hidden messages in their replies.
Grossly immature is more like it.
So what? Evos do the same thing.
Why is it a problem when creationists do it and not a problem when evos do it?
Another example of evo double standard.
Actually, scientists are discovering that the speed of light is NOT a constant, as was previously thought.
This story again?
“Paleontologist Mary Schweitzer’s discoveries of soft blood vessels, proteins, various blood cells, and even DNA inside fossilized dinosaur bones have been met with extreme skepticism from the scientific community.”
—First off, no dna has been found, only the hardiest parts of cells have survived, such as proteins and amino acids.
The reason for the skepticism was because nothing like it had been found before. Also, the amount of material found was tiny, which made contamination a very plausible explanation. With equipment from just 20 years ago it wouldn’t have been found (which probably partly explains why such material hasn’t been found before).
“It has been well established that such biological structures and molecules should not last beyond a few tens of thousands of years, and could not possibly survive millions of years. So why are they there?”
—Well established by who, and how?
What prompted Crichton to write “Jurassic Park” was excitement from some scientists that with the latest technology that we should be able to extract some dino dna. We’re still waiting for any. So far, in every sample studied, the dna (which is much more delicate than protein) has all degraded away. So going by Brian Thomas’s logic, this proves that dinos lived much longer ago than scientists thought.
Perhaps. But regardless, it makes no difference to science.
Uhhhh....makes no difference to science????
It makes ALL the difference to how the science is interpreted, pursued, abused, applied, learned, practiced...etc. etc. etc.!
Wow...this completely ignores the evolutionists incoherent liberal demands that children be taught naturalism, and that everything just "is" via banning any and all things intelligent, designed, purposeful, planned, let alone that you're merely a great ape with no soul.
But I suppose this incoherence from the left is why the SOS Darwin continues to flounder so and take on so much water.
So I suppose our side should be grateful in your displays of how little you understand your own myriad irreconcilliations between the Creator of science, and that science is fully dependent on Him to be understood and not the other way around.
Without an intelligent creator, science is unintelligible liberal gibberish as evidenced by your post(s) and multiple fellow liberal assertions that everything just "is" via sheer accidental chance, with no purpose, design, planning, intelligence, meaning, coherence...and that you yourself are a soulless great ape here just to procreate with no other purpose and nothing more than that defines your own existence, scientifically speaking.
Meanwhile, coherent rational folks see God's intelligence and design from the smallest particles of our physical being, the complexity of our own body systems such as cardiac tissue pulsating under a microscope, that simply isn't explained rationally or coherently by evolution.
Rational people understand while there's a world beyond science class, even small children understand there's indeed a Creator INside science class. Even little kids understand these elementary basic things. They understand God can't be kept out of the discussion no matter how many rules are made up and no matter how offended liberals get!
They understand bitter people with multiple God hang-ups demand He be kept out of science class, out of the discussion, for no other reason than to not offending their liberal sensibilities.
Time and again liberals have been shown that science crammed down throats with the "morals" of secular humanism and understanding is the kind of science that produces algore, mengele and so on...
Meanwhile Sir Isaac Newton along with all the other great minds of science without multiple God-hang-ups, were (and are today) capable of understanding a science greater than our own understanding, designed by God and with a coherent and moral purpose, where God is welcomed in His own creation.
The time before gubmint school secular humanism failures, where science struggles for it's very survival with the likes of ultra liberal algore's pseudo-science hot air cult, science flourished. Not so today, with all the liberal junk/pseudo-science, fraud of peer review of evolution, all dissenters shut out or threatened and more and more children not reaching academic minimums.
These are CLEARLY liberal failures that can't be blamed on creationists, since after all, the insecure liberals have hijacked the judicial system to shut them out of science.
And speaking of embryos, the zerrhoids science czar asserts people really aren't even people until they're 2-4 years OUTSIDE the womb! Your way leads to abortion, including partial birth abortions, embryonic stem cell research, cloning, euthanasia, uncontrolled genetic research, assisted suicide and all kinds of dangerous unethical immoral nonsense the secular humanist liberals call "science".
OF COURSE it makes a difference to the science, and that's the entire point! Your way is the way of failure, and daily more and more people are aware of it, and again, thanks for illustrating your flawed logic and twisted painful incoherence in driving that point home beyond the debate.
GOD!
This relationship between that which changes and that which does not change has a long history in theology and in philosophy. And as if to underscore the point in neon flashing letters that any man could understand, God has built it into the first and second laws of thermodynamics.
The same is true of logic itself. The physical world is quite logical, indeed mathematics is unreasonably effective in the natural sciences (Wigner, Vafa et al.)
Truly, if it were not logical we couldn't understand it at all.
Logos is the root word for "logic" - it is also translated into Word as in Jesus Christ, the living Word of God.
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life. - John 6:63
Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. – I Cor 2:14
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. – Genesis 1:1
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. – Revelation 22:13
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:14
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. – John 8:58
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The post where you said I was immature was post sixty-nine! Good job! |
Why is it a problem when creationists do it and not a problem when evos do it?
Another example of evo double standard.
Moreover, notice that evo-liberals demand religion not be injected into science but are now demanding science somhow now be moral, you know when it suits them?
They treat you really bad,” she says. “They twist your words and they manipulate your data.” For her, science and religion represent two different ways of looking at the world; invoking the hand of God to explain natural phenomena breaks the rules of science. After all, she says, what God asks is faith, not evidence. “If you have all this evidence and proof positive that God exists, you don’t need faith. I think he kind of designed it so that we’d never be able to prove his existence. And I think that’s really cool.”
Riiiiiight, meanwhile the angelic evo-libs that demand He not even so much as be discussed in science, and dismiss His glorious creation out of hand, banning all things intelligent, designed, purposeful, hijack the legal system to shut down debate, lie, misrepresent, smear, threaten tenure, etc. etc. etc.; are completely ignored and off the hook?
Sure.
Another incoherent piece of liberal drivel.
“Science News
Did Dinosaur Soft Tissues Still Survive? New Research Challenges Notion
ScienceDaily (July 30, 2008) — Paleontologists in 2005 hailed research that apparently showed that soft, pliable tissues had been recovered from dissolved dinosaur bones, a major finding that would substantially widen the known range of preserved biomolecules.
But new research challenges that finding and suggests that the supposed recovered dinosaur tissue is in reality biofilm – or slime.”
Probably from a creationist, right? righhhhht.
Big deal.
How old are you? Twelve?
No, but I did climb up to one in Juneau. Our cruise ship sailed very close to several, and I witnessed calving that was so powerful you could feel it. I picked various Alaskan wild berries on the way back down the mountain in Juneau, and presented them to my wife. I ran into two black bears on the way down. I was surprised by them because I expected bears to travel over the undergrowth, but instead they tunneled through it, and popped out about 30 to 50 feet in front of me. Which means, they could have been right at my feet the whole time I was picking berries, and I wouldn’t have known it. Needless to say, it was a very sobering experience!
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