Posted on 08/14/2009 5:28:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Sure, my point is how could people understand the Bible before the advent of the printing press?
A lot of people just assume that the Bible in written form has always been around for anyone to read.
Well, the issue ocurred before written or non-written scripture.
Jesus was specifically asked why he talked in parables/allegories. He recounted that the reason He spoke in parables (and, by extension, why the Bible in general is written in parables) is to prevent certain people from understanding it.
So this leads me to think about time and *any* evidence that there are "things" that could be proven to be older than 10k (or so) years.
I assume the speed of light is a generally accepted known fact. We know if the sun went completely dark, we'd still see its light here on earth for approximately 8 minutes. (Because the light we see here on earth from the sun is approximately 8 minutes "old")
So, I wonder, how would the creationist explain our ability to see light from distant stars, say 1 million light years away?
btw, I've never looked into this before, I'm sure each side has an answer... but this topic got me thinking about it... I'll google in the mean-time. :-)
That’s a great question, and you are quite correct, creation cosmologists most certainly do have an answer. Here’s a good, easy to understand place to start:
http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter5.pdf
Really though, I guess I could have just re-checked genesis to see: "First God made heaven & earth The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light."
I suppose scientific explanation isn't really needed. HE said "let there be light" and there was light... Question answered. :-)
While you're at it, you might ask yourself why they're willing to let you believe that it's "off by millions of years", knowing that the half life of C-14 is relatively short and as a result is undetectable in samples over about 60,000 years old. It can't be, and isn't used for dating anything older than that.
Application of logic is needed. Not scientific posturing.
If they really want to get to the bottom of things, start addressing basic questions without a preset notion in mind-
1) Why did almost every culture have history of “dragons” , Sea monsters, Serpents, etc?
2) Why do the descriptions typically in this historical references ( and folktales) more closely resemble dinosaurs than current species?
3) Why do we find fossil records that seem to indicate a worldwide flood? Ie- silt and sediment indicating being under water in line with the biblical ( and most other cultures) history?
4) Why do we lean so heavily on carbon 14 dating when we’ve had no more than a few hundred years to test something they claim to be accurate millions of years back?
Theres a lot more, but these are big enough questions- thus far, there are wild, fanciful stories such as “ People inherit a base memory from their ancestors that is carried on in the dark regions of the brain and last through multiple generations- thats why these stories of dragons emerged.
Science is a study of the natural world around you to encourage understanding of how things work for pure knowledge and for application to benefit mankind. Scientific method is meant to be double blind so that the scientists own wishes and desires arent injected into the results.
doesnt sound like thats happening a lot these days....
Where do these stories about carbon 14 dating anything millions of years old come from?
Personally I dont’ feel that my car, computer, or gun is liberal.
Well good for you and your silly strawman arguments whattajoke!
I have a lot of venom for all things “liberal” (as it means in today’s vernacular), but I don’t see it every where I look.
The problem with alot of you liberals is you don't see liberalism and it's destructiveness anywhere you look and plainly, PLAINLY liberals that hijack science and rely on lawsuits, shut down debate, etc. are indeed liberals.
Meanwhile, let us know when you get a clue where you're at, eh?
I don't get it. They surely have to know they're damaging the rest of their arguments by doing this.
DERP. My bad- carbon dating is used up to about 50,000 years.
Same question.
If the question is "why do they lean so heavily on it?", what methodology do you suggest that can be shown to produce better results?
Exactly-
What methodology has been tested enough to predict backwards millions of years accurately when simple questions that I mentioned earlier haven’t been answered?
There are wide ranging historical reports from all over the globe placing dinosaur like creatures within the last 2000 years.
Why are these constantly debunked as “ folklore” by the scientific community instead of being looked at as documentation to be followed up on?
Why do those questions have to be answered before radiometric dating can be tested as a dating method/ If you don't think radiometric dating is accurate enough to use, what test do you submit they should be using instead that would be more accurate?
There are wide ranging historical reports from all over the globe placing dinosaur like creatures within the last 2000 years.
Why are these constantly debunked as “ folklore” by the scientific community instead of being looked at as documentation to be followed up on?
How do you propose testing a "historical report" against an artifact that may or may not be related to that report? On what basis does an unsubstantiated report of "dinosaur-like creatures within the last 2000 years" warrant the conclusion that any dinosaur fossil found must be only a few thousand years old, even if the physical properties of the artifact indicate that it is much older than that?
There are many places where dinosaur fossils have been unearthed and exposed by erosion. What kinds of stories do you think might have been made up to explain them if someone had found them thousands of years ago?
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