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Obama Administration: Depressed and Disabled Veterans Should Consider Foregoing Medical Care
IsraPundit ^ | 8/19/09 | Bill Levinson

Posted on 08/19/2009 2:52:03 PM PDT by Winged Hussar

Depression, disability, and "being a financial burden" could constitute "Lebensunwerte Leben" (Life Unworthy of Life) in U.S. Government end of life planning document

"The Death Book for Veterans: Ex-soldiers don't need to be told they're a burden to society" by Jim Towey in today's (August 18) Wall Street Journal says,

    Last year, bureaucrats at the VA's National Center for Ethics in Health Care advocated a 52-page end-of-life planning document, "Your Life, Your Choices." It was first published in 1997 and later promoted as the VA's preferred living will throughout its vast network of hospitals and nursing homes. After the Bush White House took a look at how this document was treating complex health and moral issues, the VA suspended its use. Unfortunately, under President Obama, the VA has now resuscitated "Your Life, Your Choices."
We downloaded this document directly from the Veterans Administration, and the content suggests that both family finances and depression--a non-terminal illness--could constitute Lebensunwerte Leben, or "life unworthy of life." Smoke is generally indicative of fire and, although HR 3200 says nothing about mandatory end of life planning, euthanasia, or anything else similar to Germany's Aktion T4 program--the euthanasia program that served as a precedent for the Holocaust--we have shown (http://www.israpundit.com/2008/?p=16320) that there is indeed fire to go with the smoke. "Your Life, Your Choices" is simply more evidence, and it even suggests that war veterans with depression consider themselves a burden on the society that sent them to war.

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To: Old Sarge

no you cannot say that, its racist, un American, mob style, terrorist, radical and anything else they can think of.


121 posted on 08/19/2009 5:00:16 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Ah, let it do it’s thing! I’m plastering it everywhere..


122 posted on 08/19/2009 5:00:43 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (I am Jim Thompson............................Please pray for our troops....)
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To: penelopesire

Freedom isn't Free


123 posted on 08/19/2009 5:02:29 PM PDT by 444Flyer (FReepers and freedom lovers, we are in a gigantic TUG-OF-WAR for our nation and our Constitution.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Oh..I thought you were kidding..lol. The Lord works in mysterious ways though.


124 posted on 08/19/2009 5:03:38 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: angtro2007

IBTZ!!

We don’t need the government instructing us on how to ‘evaluate’ our lives and we are not going to stand by while Obama encourages our veterans to die!!

BUZZ OFF!


125 posted on 08/19/2009 5:05:42 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: GeronL

"So sorry Sir, you've been denied medical care."


126 posted on 08/19/2009 5:06:36 PM PDT by 444Flyer (FReepers and freedom lovers, we are in a gigantic TUG-OF-WAR for our nation and our Constitution.)
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To: 444Flyer

One to bookmark that’s for sure. Thank you.

Speaking of letters, my Mom still has all the letters my Dad wrote to her when he was flying the F-105 in Vietnam. We have talked about the letters and we haven’t decided if we are going to bury the letters with my parents or read them after they are gone. Hopefully we won’t have to make a decision any time soon.

Take care.


127 posted on 08/19/2009 5:07:49 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
You too.

"...my Mom still has all the letters my Dad wrote her when he was flying the F-105 in Vietnam.

Now THAT is beautiful.

128 posted on 08/19/2009 5:12:03 PM PDT by 444Flyer (FReepers and freedom lovers, we are in a gigantic TUG-OF-WAR for our nation and our Constitution.)
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To: timydnuc

RLTW!!


129 posted on 08/19/2009 5:12:29 PM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart recipient)
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Sick beyond words.


130 posted on 08/19/2009 5:13:28 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: 444Flyer

Yes, it certainly is sick, 444. Sarah Palin needs to get a copy of this information. I know this would not go over well with her, at all.


131 posted on 08/19/2009 5:16:45 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: the long march; darkwing104; Old Sarge; hellinahandcart
Joined after the election, did you? Tell me, is that 1099 or W-2? Are you in Chicago, D.C. or telecommuting? What does that pay, or are you allowed to say? Is there a cafeteria? A cappuccino machine? Health food?
132 posted on 08/19/2009 5:16:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: Old Professer

Good question...where are these so called ‘studies’?

This is just a cold and calculated way for the government to ‘cut costs’ so that they can spend our money on even more government programs and social engineering! The whole thing is sickening. Especially the ‘questionaire’. It is not the government’s business to determine or help determine ‘quality of life’ issues for anyone....much else healthcare decisions!

And don’t you just love the fact that Obama and the democrats are trying to guilt our veterans into dying....while at the same time ordering private jets for themselves and going on lavish vacations on our tax dollars!!

PATHETIC!!


133 posted on 08/19/2009 5:17:41 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: angtro2007; Old Sarge; Darksheare; darkwing104; MeekOneGOP


134 posted on 08/19/2009 5:18:49 PM PDT by glock rocks (health care, gun safety and climate change are strawmen. It's all about CONTROL.)
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To: HollyB

See #119. I’m too P.O.’d to write.


135 posted on 08/19/2009 5:20:18 PM PDT by 444Flyer (FReepers and freedom lovers, we are in a gigantic TUG-OF-WAR for our nation and our Constitution.)
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge; hellinahandcart

Post #102: They’re coming out of the woodwork on this one, they must know how damaging it is to them!!!


136 posted on 08/19/2009 5:20:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: angtro2007

Welcome to FR.
And thank you for showing us that where there is smoke, there is fire.


137 posted on 08/19/2009 5:22:02 PM PDT by Darksheare (Tar is cheap, and feathers are plentiful.)
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To: the long march

I have never seen a health care directive which discusses a person deciding whether they feel they are a burden.

Health care directives can be made, but they are not usually directed in this fashion, in fact, I’ve never seen anything like this before and I presently have power of attorney and assisted with my father before he passed away. Please direct me to any directives that you are familiar with that is similar to this.

These forms are being used at the VA, not at hospice.

This is completely out of line to soldiers who have given so much for their country.


138 posted on 08/19/2009 5:26:29 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: All; Winged Hussar
EVERYBODY BLOAT, ESPECIALLY VETERANS!!!
139 posted on 08/19/2009 5:26:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (If we're an Empire, why are Cuba, Iraq, Philippines, Japan & Germany independent?)
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To: the long march

For the VA. I have viisted my VA several times and had surgery several times and in all times I’ve told them I did not have a living will and did not want to make one and that was the end. however, if the veteran qualifies for treatment, why would he/she consider the cost of the treatment on his family (He paid for the treatment with his service).

A patient may have otehr concerns, but medical treatment should not be unless Obama plans to make the veterans go on his public option.


140 posted on 08/19/2009 5:29:09 PM PDT by Aggie65
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