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Libertarian Party throws Reagan under the bus
North Star National ^ | October 2nd, 2009

Posted on 10/02/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT by presidio9

The Libertarian Party’s chairman said that the Republican Party’s hero “was not serious about cutting the size of government.”

I receive the Libertarian Party’s “Monday message” each week, as a byproduct of the brief period before the 2008 election when I wasn’t sure if I could bring myself to vote for John McCain…until I realized that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend.” (That must be what McCain meant when he began every other sentence with “My friends…”)

I couldn’t let Virginia turn blue and asphyxiate (though of course, it did anyway,) so I gave up on the Libertarians for that particular election cycle. But I never bothered to unsubscribe to their newsletter, so I wound up with this interesting e-mail a few days ago.

It certainly provoked some thought.

During an interview with Reason.tv, Libertarian Party Chairman William Redpath denounced Ronald Reagan’s spending. The newsletter by Libertarian National Committee Executive Director Wes Benedict elaborates on this topic.

The criticisms have some validity–Reagan was human and therefore not perfect–but they’re ignoring the historical context.

Benedict writes, “For example, during Reagan’s eight years in office, the federal government spent a total of about 22% of GDP. (That’s the biggest-spending eight years since World War II.) Spending grew from $678 billion to $1.14 trillion. So much for cutting government.”

I admit, during the 1980s, I was more concerned with Kermit the Frog’s management of “The Muppet Show” than I was with Reagan’s handling of governmental affairs. So I don’t profess to know all the exact facts and figures, though I’ve been trying to educate myself in recent months. As far as I know, Benedict’s assertion sounds about right.

But he fails to mention this little thing called “The Cold War,” which Reagan was working to end. Since I grew up without the fear of nuclear annihilation, it seems his administration succeeded in that objective.

“Peace through strength” was the motto. If the federal government is going to ramp up spending, then defense is the best area to do it, especially when there’s a hostile super-power like the Soviet Union to worry about.

Granted, there was more going on than the Cold War, but Reagan shouldn’t take the blame for every cent spent during his two terms. The Democrats controlled Congress. I doubt Reagan and the Democratic Congressmen were in lock-step too often.

Benedict goes on: “Reagan also escalated the War on Drugs, heightened trade barriers, and increased farm subsidies. And of course, he sent the federal debt through the roof.”

Fair point on the War on Drugs. Nice idea, good intentions, but not the government’s job. I loathe drugs, but I’d rather see parents teaching their kids to say no. It’s not something for which you should need a government program.

Another major criticism springs to mind. In his speeches and interviews, Reagan spoke of returning certain responsibilities from the federal to the state level. But that didn’t happen. We still need to do that, as there remain such agencies as the federal Department of Education.

Despite his faults, I consider him the best 20th century president. He was absolutely correct to make the Cold War his top priority, and again, he succeeded in bringing about a peaceful resolution. Before that, shortly after stepping into office, he helped resolve the energy crisis by deregulating oil.

But no, he was not perfect, and today’s Republicans need to accept that. There’s nothing to gain by deifying Reagan and molding him into some model of conservative perfection. Certainly, any party would love to replicate the electoral successes of Reagan, but it would be a mistake for anyone to strive to become “the next Ronald Reagan.”

Reagan was the right guy at the right time. He was who we needed in the 1980s.

It’s not the 1980s anymore, however. I know this because I’m not spending my mornings watching Jim Henson shows and the USA Cartoon Express.

In terms of enemies, the Soviets and the Taliban are further apart than Lex Luthor and the Joker. Spending a trillion dollars is far different from owing multiple trillions. The growing senior population makes Social Security and Medicare far less sustainable than it might have looked 25 years ago.

The next president needs to be someone better than Reagan, and he or she needs a better Congress to work with.

Respect Reagan’s accomplishments, acknowledge his faults, remember it all, and move forward.

And with that, I’ve probably offended people from all across the spectrum. So allow me to shift gears slightly…

More from the Libertarian’s newsletter: “Republicans and Democrats sometimes make good promises, but they never deliver. By supporting Libertarians, you send a clear message that you want more freedom and less government, and you’re not buying the hypocrisy of the Rs and Ds.”

This reminds me of a “South Park” episode about Wal-Mart.

The Wal-Mart store had taken on a life of its own and was supernaturally compelling people to shop there. The town eventually defeats the evil store, and they celebrate by shopping at a small, local business. But because everyone’s shopping at this place, it grows and grows, until it becomes the next major chain of super-stores. And the town again must defeat a malignant, gigantic retail establishment.

True, today, the Libertarian Party leaders may hold stronger convictions than the leaders of the Republicans or Democrats. But bolstering a third party does not fix the inherent flaw in the party system. When a party grows large enough to compete for real power, that power’s likely to corrupt it.

Is there any way we can dissolve all of these political parties and just have individuals run for office?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: liberaltarianism; libertarian; ronaldreagan; thirdparty; underthebus
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1 posted on 10/02/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Wouldn’t Congress have to cut the size of government? Isn’t it illegal for a Prez not to spend appropriated monies?


2 posted on 10/02/2009 1:14:46 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: presidio9
The Libertarian Party’s chairman said that the Republican Party’s hero “was not serious about cutting the size of government.”

When is the Libertarian Party going to get serious about becoming a viable political party?
3 posted on 10/02/2009 1:14:54 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: presidio9

Libertarian Party throws Reagan under the bus

The Libertarian Party’s chairman said that the Republican Party’s hero “was not serious about cutting the size of government.”

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For the life of me... I swear I don’t understand how so many FReepers can defend the Liberaltarian Party.

Sheesh!


4 posted on 10/02/2009 1:15:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I am Legend)
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To: presidio9

His tax cuts tripled the revenue to the federal govt. So the increase inspending is a misleading without reference to monies to the fed.


5 posted on 10/02/2009 1:16:03 PM PDT by Bruinator (People are.............Stupid)
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To: dr_who
When is the Libertarian Party going to get serious about becoming a viable political party?

Hopefully never. Take heart in the fact that "seriousness" and subscribing to liberatarian political philosophy are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

6 posted on 10/02/2009 1:18:08 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9

Reagan operated without control of Congress. Makes a big difference. Also consider the struggle Obama is having enacting his far left agenda even with both Houses of Congress firmly under the control of his party, and with full support of the legacy media...


7 posted on 10/02/2009 1:19:03 PM PDT by sourcery (Those whom the gods would destroy they first make socialist...)
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To: presidio9

The LP is a bunch of anti-semites, racists, and loners. And those are the good ones. Avoid them like the Obamist plague that they are.


8 posted on 10/02/2009 1:19:18 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: Responsibility2nd
They're either into pot, or pr0n.

Cheers!

9 posted on 10/02/2009 1:19:40 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: GeronL

Didn’t Bush form the DHS?


10 posted on 10/02/2009 1:20:13 PM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
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To: iowamark

Not all of us. I just want the federal government to keep their damn hands off of my rights, my pocketbook, and my family, and go back to doing what they’re supposed to, based on their Constitutional powers.


11 posted on 10/02/2009 1:22:26 PM PDT by TheLurkerX (If you want renewable energy, I'm sure the founding fathers are spinning in their graves.)
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To: wastedyears

Yes, Homeland Security was done after 9/11/2001


12 posted on 10/02/2009 1:25:27 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Responsibility2nd
For the life of me... I swear I don’t understand how so many FReepers can defend the Liberaltarian Party.

Its the nature of the internet. Everyone feels like his opinion is valid. A lot of people here don't get this one: There is the political "right," and then there are Libertarians, Republicans, and Conservatives. Three very distinct groups, with many things in common. All are on the political right, but have different viewpoints. Libertarians are too flaky to grasp that one. Then, we have a webpage started by a one-time Conservative for Conservatives. Since libertarians already failed to make the distinction once, here they are. The webpage was intended to be for Conservatives as opposed to Republicans, but libertarians never leared their place either. It doesn't help that our founder is on record being pretty sympathetic to libertarians in the past. He never retracted that stuff, and libertarians are only to happy to bring it up whenever they are told to go find their own website.

13 posted on 10/02/2009 1:25:41 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9

Earth to Libertarians...please learn how our government operates before making anymore statements. Your friend, Debs


14 posted on 10/02/2009 1:27:55 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: dr_who

The Libertarian Party, like other parties, is only there to be a spoiler. They have a serious movement to discredit the Republicans even though they have more in common with than the Democrats. The reason. I don’t know.

Being Libertarian or Declined to State or Independent is just “feel good” measures with no substance.


15 posted on 10/02/2009 1:29:15 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: presidio9; bamahead; djsherin; rabscuttle385

Interesting argument. I would say that Reagan did good and bad things economically w government growth.

The good news: He won the cold war and gave us a peace divident under Clinton

The bad news: His legacy promoted the myth that everyone’s tax cut pays for itself, that government doesnt cost anything (Bush Sr got the blame) and no one must pay. This myth allowed GWB to destroy the republican party and capitalism without even a peace dividend to pay the debt. Bush used printed money, Reagan borrowed.


16 posted on 10/02/2009 1:29:29 PM PDT by sickoflibs ( "It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the government spending you demand stupid")
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To: Bruinator

“His tax cuts tripled the revenue to the federal govt.”

The Libertarianistas are being intellectually dishonest here (most people say cuts when in fact everybody knows that it means slowing the rate of growth of government spending)...The tax cuts as you said were half the equation.

The other half was impeded by Dem majorities in Congress who refused to cut spending. So the Dems and media refuse to cut spending, blame the budget deficit on Reagan for 6 of the 8 years. That mantra was all they had on Reagan.

Now of course, Lord Obama runs up an annual deficit of 1.8 Trillion compared to Reagan’s 150-225 billion and Bush’s 450 billion...and now the Leftists love deficits.


17 posted on 10/02/2009 1:29:48 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (It's us against them...the Establishment RINOs vs rank and file...Sarah Palin or bust)
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To: dr_who; Revolting cat!
When is the Libertarian Party going to get serious about becoming a viable political party?

At 4:20

18 posted on 10/02/2009 1:33:58 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: TheLurkerX

“I just want the federal government to keep their damn hands off of my rights, my pocketbook, and my family, and go back to doing what they’re supposed to, based on their Constitutional powers.”


And because this is a participatory government, controlled by a two party system, sniping from the sidelines is kind of irrelevant. If you want to have your opinion to matter, get involved at the caucus level. Don’t try for everything all at once. It’s a big ship. The left has been chipping away at this shot of theirs since FDR died in office. Look at how the society has crumbled, through little cracks and opportune bites. Short of a revolution, that’s how it will be won back. They have provided us a chance at a really big bite in 2010. Everyone who wants this nation to continue needs to get into the game and scuttle the ambitions of the radicals in office. Please don’t stand on the sidelines or run to a third party and let the likes of McCain destroy our chances.


19 posted on 10/02/2009 1:34:15 PM PDT by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: presidio9

Every budget Reagan sent up to congress was (quote) “Dead on arrival” by Tip O’Neil,etal.


20 posted on 10/02/2009 1:34:50 PM PDT by upsdriver
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