Posted on 10/02/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT by presidio9
Why would anyone be surprised that one political party isn’t necessarily impressed by another political party’s icon?
“His legacy promoted the myth that everyone’s tax cut pays for itself, that government doesnt cost anything (Bush Sr got the blame) and no one must pay.”
This is a strawman.
Most tax cuts help *grow the economy* for the simple reason that income and investment taxes punish economic activity. As such, certain tax cuts pay for themselves. All tax cuts that have been passed have been beneficial, and those arguing against them have INVARIABLY supported higher taxes AND spending that are worse for our fiscal situation both for taxpayers and the Govt.
As such, the important thing for Reagan’s tax cuts was that the bubble that we could or should have high punitive tax rates was burst. Well ... guess what ... they are back. Obama administration is sending us back to rates higher by far than what Reagan left us with. They are pushing rates back over the laffer curve to the point where the rates only punish and hurt the economy while raising no money. Ans what is worse is that Obama is fine with that, for ‘fairness’ reasons.
“This myth allowed GWB to destroy the republican party and capitalism without even a peace dividend to pay the debt.”
More BS. Capitalism is a concept. It cannot be ‘destroyed’ just because an R was fiscally irresponsible. Further, the problem was NEVER tax cuts, but was the spending that was out of control. Bush pursued ‘guns and butter’ ramping up spending as fast almost as LBJ. To be fair to Bush, its tough to have a ‘peace dividend’ after 9/11 and the necessary actions after that.
“Bush used printed money, Reagan borrowed.”
The deficit that the end of Reagan’s term was the same % of GDP as when he came to office.
“Libertarian National Committee Executive Director Wes Benedict”
This man was PERSONALLY responsible for destroying a fiscally responsible conservative Republican and electing a liberal Democrat in central Texas. He did it deliberately.
Bashing our best president is par for the course for this guy.
Horsepuckey.
Reagan had libertarian (and maybe Libertarian) speech writers. His 1980 campaign rhetoric contained many libertarian and some Libertarian ideas.
After being elected, a lot of those went away.
Libertarians are 6 year olds.
IF they can’t play the game, no one plays.
One reason we got Bill Clinton and the coming war on terror un checked by these loons voting for Perot
Can you point out just where the Constitution allows itself to be raped and shredded in the name of prohibiting the possession and usage of ANYTHING? Read the Tenth Amendment carefully, then look through the remainder of the Constitution and let me know. Then, I would guess, if you mean what you imply about wanting to conserve the Constitution, you’ll be championing the end of the war on some drugs, right? If you are intellectually and morally honest, that is.
He destroyed that too. At least temporarily/
RE :”All tax cuts that have been passed have been beneficial, and those arguing against them have INVARIABLY supported higher taxes AND spending that are worse for our fiscal situation both for taxpayers and the Govt.:”
This is just more of the same dribble. that The government can hire more employees AND you get a tax cut at the same and it all works out. Not so. It always leads to deficits or inflation. That is the conservative Santa Claus. Just like Obamas health reform will pay for itself because we wont get sick. Libs repeat this dribble over and over, just like you repeat “My tax cut paid for more government spending”
"War on some drugs".... "If you are intellectually and morally honest, that is."Go ahead and legalize pot. That'll sure learn them sorry cartels, huh? Not that they are already into cocaine and meth. But they wouldn't move on to legalizing that, would they? That would not be part next in your surrender on the WOD, would it?
And what is moral about enslaving millions more Americans to the ravages of drugs? And why are you in favor of GROWING the state as we tax and subsidize drugs? Are you prepared to fund the new prisons and hospitals that we will need as a result of your WOD surrender? Oh. I forgot. Using drugs is a "victimless crime", Huh?
Sheesh!
I already know your answer to these legitimate questions: I eagerly await your calling me a nanny-state prohibitionist.
Feel free.
The Libertarian Party is just another ACLU. The talk is the opposite of what it achieves and wants to achieve.
Not everyone involved in the LP has tumbled to this despite decades of the party accomplishing nothing it claims it wants.
Reagan ran in 1976 in part on a platform including a “$90 billion” budget cut (that was big money back then.
That stand cost him Florida in the primaries, and therefore the nomination.
Another poster pointed out that he didn’t have Congress. In that climate, besides recent changes under Carter that were forcing spending (Dept. of Ed. and Energy, for instance), Reagan probably kept the spending lower than it would have been by getting the Kemp-Roth 25% tax cuts done. Since the deficits did go up, it put a brake on how much the libs could spend.
Bush the Elder bloinked and raised taxes when the Dem Congress didn’t pass a budget.
I agree w/ you wholeheartedly. Like I have said before, one of the things I respect the most about Reagan was that he was a LEADER. He respected our flag & history as a free country. I loved listening to him speak because he was a positive person (IMO) & had a great sense of humor. I voted for him in 1980, about 5 months after I turned 18.
The use of drugs such as pot or alcohol or whatever is neither moral nor immoral. Yes, such things can be misused and abused. That does NOT make it the business of government in any way, shape or form, whether to prohibit usage or to bail out the users.
What is moral about bankrupting the nation and shredding the Constitution pursuing something that has NO CONSTITUTIONAL BASIS to begin with? I asked you a specific question: Where is the specific authority granted to government to conduct a “war on (some) drugs” in the first place. Your non-answer is sufficient. If you HAD something to point to, you would. That you do not certainly indicates that you realize you CANNOT. So I will take it that you will recognize the error of your ways and correct it. Right?
(Oh, and, yes, at the LOCAL level, certainly cities and counties may properly regulate PUBLIC behaviors under the influence or, outside one’s home, say just where someone may ingest intoxicants. That’s it and all, though!)
Must I remind you:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
(I'm gonna get banned or suspended, huh?
No, you're this week's comic relief...
I’m not a Libertarian...I’m an independent who voted for Pastor Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party for POTUS in the 2008 election.
Please remember that the Republocratic Party had rigged the election system against 3rd Party candidates. Their candidates refuse to allow 3rd Party candidates into the Presidential Debtes, refuse to debate them when given the opportunity, & make the rules for their being able to participate so difficult that it’s nearly impossible for them to do so. The MSM aren’t giving them much of a stage to air their opinions, either.
Regan tried to abolish the Dept. of Education. COngress nixed it. He had other ideas to decrease the size of the Federal government, but his proposals were not endorsed by Congress.
Donald Regan tried to abolish the Department of Education, who knew?
Make that “hot-air and marijuana smoke.”
Wow... thanks Freepers for eating your own. Factionalism will never get us anywhere. We should all support reducing the size of the government and increasing individual liberty.
There are plenty of big government targets we can all agree on here. We can commence destroying one another once we start making headway with this primary goal.
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