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Obama's birth certificate (Uses Snopes to prove "authenticity")
The Carroll County Examiner ^ | December 7, 2009 | David Thornton

Posted on 12/07/2009 8:26:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A rumor that won’t die is the myth that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is fake. There are different theories on where Obama was born, if he was not born in Hawaii as he claims. A prevailing belief is that he was born in Kenya, and as a native Kenyan, is not eligible to be President of the United States. Some have also claimed that his full name includes the name “Mohammed,” adding to speculation that Obama is a secret Muslim.

At this point, mountains of evidence are in and they all point to the fact that Barack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. As far back as July 2008, Obama had released a copy of his birth certificate. Obama had to release the birth certificate himself because in Hawaii, birth certificates are not public documents and must be requested by the family. Obama’s birth certificate can viewed here.

Almost immediately, the certificate came under attack due to the lack of an embossed seal and signature. The answer to that challenge is that in Hawaii, the seal and signature are on the back of the certificate. The political fact-checkers at Politifact.com emailed the copy of the certificate released by Obama to the Hawaii Department of Health. They were told by a spokesman that the copy was a valid Hawaii birth certificate. The name on the certificate is Barack Hussein Obama II.

According to Snopes.Com, Hawaiian government officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate twice; once in October 2008 and again in July 2009. Additionally, Snopes also provides the testimony of a Hawaiian school teacher who actually spoke with the obstetrician that delivered the baby Barack.

Politifact also checked Obama’s other public domain records. These other records included his marriage certificate from Cook County, Illinois, his driver’s license records in Illinois, and his attorney registration and public disciplinary record from Illinois. All show that his name is Barack Hussein Obama. He also has no moving violations and has not been disciplined as an attorney.

If that were not enough, Obama’s birth announcements can be seen in both Honolulu newspapers. The Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star Bulletin both record the birth of Barack Hussein Obama on August 4, 1961. The newspaper announcements can be seen here.

In August 2009, a birth certificate surfaced that purported to show that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This birth certificate was quickly revealed to be a forgery. Among the tell-tale mistakes on the certificate are the phrase “Republic of Kenya,” which did not exist at the time, an incorrect age for Obama’s father, and the claim that Barack Jr. was born in Mombasa, which was located far from where Obama Sr. lived. In fact, Mombasa was so far from where Obama lived that it was not even part of Kenya at the time; it was actually then a part a part of Zanzibar.

A further claim is that US law at the time specified that if only one parent was a US citizen, to pass citizenship along to the child, that parent must have been a US citizen “for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16” [citation]. The claim is that since Obama’s mother was 18 at the time of his birth, she does not meet the requirement to pass along citizenship to Barack Jr. According to Snopes, this law applied only to children born to US citizens outside the US. Since the evidence is that Obama was born in Hawaii, this claim is moot.

There is also the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother claimed to be present at his birth. Since she had never left Kenya, the implication is that Obama must have been born in Kenya. When the entire transcript is reviewed, it seems that there was confusion over the word “present” since Mrs. Obama did not speak English and was relying on a translator. Throughout the conversation, she continues to claim that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Finally, there have been two lawsuits regarding Obama’s birth certificate and citizenship. Suits filed by Philip Berg and Alan Keyes were dismissed as frivolous and without merit. The Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

While we can easily see that Obama’s does not and has never included the name “Mohammed,” it is not easy to see what is in Obama’s heart. Claims that Obama is a closet Muslim are not easily proved nor disproved. What can be shown is that Obama has long been a member of a Christian church, although one of a far left denomination. Obama’s family heritage includes many links to Islam so it is understandable that he would have sympathy for Muslims around the world. However, neither being a Muslim nor having sympathy for Muslims would be disqualifying for a president.

After having President Obama lead the United States for almost a year, it is easy to understand why wishful thinking could lead people to grasp at straws for reasons why he could not be president. Nevertheless, the evidence is overwhelming that Barack Hussein Obama II is a natural born citizen of the United States, having been born in a Honolulu hospital. To believe otherwise requires belief in a massive conspiracy that includes Obama’s entire family, the Hawaii Department of Health, his birth doctor, and countless others.

It makes more sense to accept the reality of Obama’s citizenship and fight him on the issues. His foreign policy favors dictators and terrorists over democracy. His domestic policy is built on unsustainable spending that must surely be followed by economy-killing taxes and inflation. To effectively fight his policies, Obama’s opponents must ground themselves in reality and facts, which can easily illustrate that Obama’s policies are all wrong for America.

Sources: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/ http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/kenyanphonetranscript.pdf


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; kenyabelieveit; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; snopes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hawaiian government officials have vouched for the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate twice; once in October 2008 and again in July 2009.

They have never publicly vouched for what's been posted online.

21 posted on 12/07/2009 8:46:13 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thought it was common knowledge that the birth certificate document that Barack posted on fightthesmears.com was photoshopped. Barack put up a photoshopped document on fightthesmears.com. That’s is intent to mislead the electorate, no?

Isn’t that considered fraud during a federal election to submit a document as official when it’s known to be FRAUD? FRAUD and misrepresenting himself in order to win an election isn’t right on any level.


22 posted on 12/07/2009 8:47:09 PM PST by cushman (Barack = Homosexual yes?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Dopes from Snopes a propaganda outfit.

Don't trust Snopes

Snopes.Com Caught in a Lie and Spins it Rather than Admits Error

Snopes.com changes hospital of Obama's birth 90 minutes after WND.COM article but has no..evidence

Republican senator says Snopes settled 'eligibility' (Kyl lays an egg)

I no longer trust Snopes... and neither should you

Snopes' bias, Part II

Snopes covering for Obama?

23 posted on 12/07/2009 8:47:35 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It makes more sense to accept the reality of Obama’s citizenship and fight him on the issues

Hear, hear. This distraction has gone on long enough. The man is incompetent, arrogant, and full of the same terrible economic and political ideas that have led to misery for billions of people over the past century. Let's attack and attack and attack, but not be led down this rabbit hole. It is a complete waste of time and effort.

24 posted on 12/07/2009 8:48:59 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think his birth name was most likely Barry Obama. That wasn’t muslim enough for this scumbag so he changed it to Barack Hussein Osama II. Knowing this POS, the name change wasn’t legal.


25 posted on 12/07/2009 8:49:27 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Snopes’ authority itself is an urban legend.


26 posted on 12/07/2009 8:51:09 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s relying on Snopes? Why not rely on Wikipedia while he’s at it? LOL!


27 posted on 12/07/2009 8:51:26 PM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: narses
Thanks narses. How did you do that?

Some famous person, and probably many who aren't famous, said “Never allow a lie to remain unanswered.” When the author repeats the old “everyone knows” saw about Obama’s natural born citizenship there is no need to read further.

The Kerchner ad is excellent for those who read it. For those who don't, being a natural born citizen means both parents are citizens as well has having been born on U.S. soil. Obama himself told us his father was was a British citizen, and that he was born a British subject. There has never been an interpretation of natural born citizen suggesting that someone born of a non-citizen father is a natural born citizen.

Don't be confused by natural born subject. Monarchies need soldier and taxpayers. A nation of laws needed assurances when it selected a commander in chief from among citizens. Natural born citizenship has a long history, and for good reason.

Obama knows the judicial system or knows people who do. He seems to count on deferring any discovery of his status, with the help of state-run media, the Democratic legislature, his courts, and the questionable status of John McCain, who, were he inclined, didn't dare challenge Obama’s “jus sanguinis” problem when McCain wasn't born on U.S. territory. No one questions McCain's patriotism, but we are still presumably a nation of laws.

28 posted on 12/07/2009 8:51:34 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

That’s probably what they think.


29 posted on 12/07/2009 8:52:23 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
let's see it barry
30 posted on 12/07/2009 8:54:03 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For those that missed Rick Sanchez' defense of Obama's Hawaii Birth and simultaneous slam of Palin as a Birther [Rev. Manning clip]
31 posted on 12/07/2009 8:54:39 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Electric Graffiti
I think his birth name was most likely Barry Obama. That wasn’t muslim enough for this scumbag so he changed it to Barack Hussein Osama II. Knowing this POS, the name change wasn’t legal.

I think you're right. This is sort of like Gerald ("Gerry") Rivera/Riviera becoming Geraldo Rivera, no? Except I think Gerald/Geraldo made the name change legally.

32 posted on 12/07/2009 8:55:48 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Spaulding
How did you do that?

HTML?


33 posted on 12/07/2009 8:56:05 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It doesn’t matter, really....he’s a lousy president no matter what!

He lies when the truth would be easier...who knows what is
the truth where this guy is concerned!!


34 posted on 12/07/2009 8:57:54 PM PST by luvie (Obama, the job-killer, has presided over the loss of 4.6 million jobs...and counting! RL)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some have also claimed that his full name includes the name “Mohammed,” adding to speculation that Obama is a secret Muslim.

Wow! And "Barack" and "Hussein" aren't enough proof of a Muslim name? The author is a waterhead
35 posted on 12/07/2009 9:00:39 PM PST by jcb2009 ((I can't tell who the Chi-Coms are anymore))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hes a Marxist performing sedition and probably espinonage..
Who cares where he was born?...
36 posted on 12/07/2009 9:01:37 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The quickest way to deal with articles like this is to scan for the words "long form" and "short form." If the different types of Hawaiian birth certificates are not mentioned, the article is not serious.

This piece fails my test.

37 posted on 12/07/2009 9:05:27 PM PST by TChad
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It seems a cut-n-dried recitation of the basic facts known/asserted.

I am sure some birther-inclined will nit-pick, but the two newspaper birth announcements sealed it for me that it was ‘case closed’ that he was born in Honolulu. You have to come up with a bizarre (and based wholly on speculation) scenario to have Barry O. not born in Honolulu.
More here:
http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2009/08/birther-madness-ii-bhos-birthplace.html


38 posted on 12/07/2009 9:09:43 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“Distraction. If he produced the BC, then people might start paying more attention to the fact he’s a Marxist. “

ROFL!

Good news, the people are wising up to him ...
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


39 posted on 12/07/2009 9:10:59 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Blogger

Obammy is an unidentfied flying object......eeerrr..alien!


40 posted on 12/07/2009 9:11:53 PM PST by Doctor Don
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