Posted on 03/31/2010 3:04:35 PM PDT by TitansAFC
Ron Paul: Why didnt the north just buy the souths slaves and free them that way?
Getting down to the last two questions here . Most people consider Abe Lincoln to be one of our greatest presidents, if not the greatest president weve ever had. Would you agree with that sentiment and why or why not?
No, I dont think he was one of our greatest presidents. I mean, he was determined to fight a bloody civil war, which many have argued could have been avoided. For 1/100 the cost of the war, plus 600 thousand lives, enough money would have been available to buy up all the slaves and free them. So, I dont see that is a good part of our history.....
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Tell me more about these armed black militias. The only ones I can find reference to were formed in reaction to the Klan, to defend themselves. Of course, their mere existence was enough to drive whites crazy. Some of the earliest gun control laws in the US were directed at blacks. Mississippi actually had a law that made it illegal for a white man to loan a black man a knife.
In the first place, Charleston was not a major tariff collecting station in the best of times. In terms of dollars collected it was a fraction of New York and was only the third busiest in the South, trailing New Orleans by a considerable margin. In the second place, the 'tariff collection facility' was the U.S. Customs House in Charleston itself. Finally it's beyond my understanding how a handful of troops, bottled up in a fort a mile or more from the city of Charleston, nowhere near where ships were landing their cargo, could collect dollar one of tariff revenue, oppressive or otherwise. Perhaps you can explain that to us all?
More like three and a half.
An interesting question that nobody wants to discuss at any depth. If you support the right of states to secede, then you mean ALL states and not just the ones allied with confederacy, am I right? That would mean my state, Wisconsin, and all other states have the right to premptorily secede. What are the consequences of having a country where any state is sovereign which of course makes the idea of a calling the U.S. a union absurd? If a group of people in Wisconsin decide to secede, what percentage of the state's population must they have to secede: a majority? two-thirds? a plurality? What if my state decides that it wants a totally Marxist government? You get my drift? When you declare that states are sovereign and have the right to secede at any time for any reason, you are declaring yourself for organized chaos.
To echo your point, in the wake of Sherman's march to the sea, he found thousands of ex-slaves trailing in the wake of his army.
I’ll be damned——that’s a keeper for me.
I knew that. What was I thinking?
Secession had nothing to do with the war? Really? It had everything to do with it. If the southern states had not illegally seceded, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO WAR!
What does the word union mean to you? What is the point of having a country where any state at any time can choose to leave peremtorily? Sorry for previous misspellings of peremtorily.
I doubt that. No state can have any more constitutional rights than any other state.
Actually that's from the fourth debate, at Charleston.
What's interesting is that Douglas was more or less calling Lincoln a liar for stating these opinions, claiming that his real goal was negro citizenship.
Slavery played a role, but you are mixing up cause and effect. The cause (or what some call "The Lost Cause") was to be free from the narrow minded, Yankee that wanted to create an empire. The effect was using the slave issue as the reason for leaving.
Lincoln symbolized that Empire, when elected that triggered the secession, it could have been about tulip bulbs. Any reason to get away from the Federal Maw. That is the way I see it. You can try to stuff your fantasy version down our throats, ain't gonna work.
Reading some of these posts, I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND the sentiment.
That's an "interesting" theory. If some nuts take over the government of my state of Wisconsin and declare us a sovereign country, then the federal government should be obligated to cede control of Fort McCoy, Camp Douglas, and other federal military installations to the Wisconsin nuts. Interesting.
Have you studied history? The Senate, I forget which year, voted down legislation making secession illegal! Secession is not addressed in the USC. Stupid Yankees didn't include it in the so-called reconstruction ammendments. Dumb arse Yankees can't even win right! LOL.
Gee, if only there was anything like the amount of documentation from the secession period that said that, instead of constantly talking about slavery, you might have a leg to stand on.
This goes back to my sunset argument.
I’m sure if earlier there had been a sunset law, e.g. all slavery shall be illegal in 1848, then the people back when would’ve made provision for preparing for that day, including the psychological factor of not spreading the feeling in the white (large farming) population that slavery was their due. They’d have to ramp down over time on slaves, and pick up some other way to compensate.
Pulling the rug out from under is pretty bad. Gradual abolition, as it were, would make it easier ultimately on all involved.
I stand corrected. The quote seems to be from both the fourth debate at Charleston and then the sixth debate at Quincy (where Lincoln states “This he [Douglas]quotes from me as being delivered at Charleston, and I believe correctly: ........”).
4th debate:
http://www.bartleby.com/251/41.html
6th debate:
http://www.bartleby.com/251/61.html
Especially Sally Hemmings*, if you know what I mean.
*Yes, I realize that they were in different centuries. IT'S A JOKE!
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