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Sweet problem leaves bad taste
The Herald-Mail ^ | 04/19/2010 | CHAD SMITH

Posted on 04/20/2010 8:39:41 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: HiTech RedNeck
I posted a number of interesting articles about hfcs. hfcs is the keyword if you care to look.

In HFCS-55, the kind used in soft drinks, it's 55 percent fructose and 42 percent glucose. I used to think all 6 carbon sugars are the same. If you check out the first link, you'll learn that fructose can easily go into de novo lipogenesis. So with HFCS-55, you're getting almost 4 moles of fructose for every 3 moles of glucose.

41 posted on 04/20/2010 10:14:57 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: mountainbunny

Thanks for the links.


42 posted on 04/20/2010 10:16:18 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

That is definitely over-fructosed compared to ordinary sugar. Funny that pure fructose can be had in “health food stores” as a supposed calorie cutter for culinary purposes. Seems that most people would be better off using ordinary sugar.


43 posted on 04/20/2010 10:24:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

***Rat studies are problematic.***

That is why they have started to use lawyers. They react almost the same as humans, but nobody worries about them. PETA doesn’t even care.


44 posted on 04/20/2010 10:32:21 PM PDT by irishtenor (Tag line is on vacation.)
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To: neverdem

I don’t know about the negative health effects of HFCS, but I think it is interesting that it is mostly government intervention that has caused processed food manufacturers to switch to HFCS from sugar. A combination of billions of dollars of subsidies for corn and high tariffs on imported cane sugar causes HFCS to be significantly cheaper than sugar.

I am a little skeptical of this and some similar studies. I would like to know more about why higher fructose content as opposed to sucrose would have this effect. After witnessing the poor behavior of so called “climate scientists”, one has got to wonder about hidden agendas. However several articles that I have read recently have convinced me to try cutting back on my sugar and HFCS intake.


45 posted on 04/20/2010 10:36:03 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: mlocher

If the Federal Government doesn’t like HFCS, the easiest solution is to end the Sugar Tariffs. Regular cane sugar is used in soda everywhere except the US. Here we use HFCS. That’s because there’s a sugar tariff here which makes cane sugar more expensive than HFCS.


46 posted on 04/20/2010 10:37:44 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: dangus
No, it’s not corn syrup anymore, it’s HCFS.

Actually, there's a difference between corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup. Sorry I can't find the link, but if you read how they make that stuff, you might want to start reading labels and skipping those items that contain it. I remember they use enzymes/acids to break down the corn cells.

It's a similar process that they use to make quick-cooking/instant oatmeal--did you know they use acid?

HFCS is not like that bottle of corn syrup that you bring out every Thanksgiving and Christmas to make pecan pie or popcorn balls. HFCS is in almost all processed food, from ketchup to juice to cereal to crackers--EVERYTHING.

47 posted on 04/20/2010 10:40:48 PM PDT by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: CORedneck

Congrats on your weight loss! I’ve lost 70 pounds so far, and have another 30 to go. As far as tryglycerides go, I dropped mine from 295 to 150 by taking fish oil, as requested by my doctor. I recommend it. I am trying to eat meat (low fat), veggies of all kinds, and fruit (not juice). I avoid (as much as possible) bread, pasta, potatoes, rice, corn and other high starch foods. I don’t use sugar on anything, but I do have the occasional candy bar or cookie (ok, so I’m not perfect...). It’s working so far :>)


48 posted on 04/20/2010 10:41:47 PM PDT by irishtenor (Tag line is on vacation.)
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To: fireman15
Check the links in comment# 33. Try to read the abstracts at leasr. If you want some more, click on the keyword hfcs. I try to link original citations when I can find them for my threads. Not all scientists are bought and paid for.
49 posted on 04/20/2010 10:46:20 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Blaming types of food again. How about blaming the sources of food?! What is the largest source of calories in the US diet? The Government provides food stamps, free school lunches, free school breakfasts and free school meals even when school isn’t in session! None of this is needs tested by the important test, BMI! None of this is regulated to encourage good eating. Meanwhile with obesity sky rocketing the government keeps running PSAs bewailing hunger in America. Too many Americans need to go hungry, often, to regain our health. Many of us could stand a nice famine, which the Lord Obama just might provide.


50 posted on 04/20/2010 10:51:39 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Remember 321)
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To: mylife; All
If you can find them, sodas from sunny Mexico still have cane sugar as the sweetener. Coke & Pepsi are both available in my area, sometimes at (get this) Target in the Hispanic foods section. Occasionally Pepsi has "throwback" which is made with sugar. Tastes great. I can't drink Pepsi w/hfcs now. For root beer, try Virgil's. Best on the planet.
51 posted on 04/20/2010 10:55:45 PM PDT by Othniel (Meddlng in human affairs for 1/20th of a millennium.......)
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To: dangus

Corn syrup has been in use since the turn of the last century.

HFCS is a completely different product, suitable only for use as feedstock for ethanol production.


52 posted on 04/20/2010 10:56:14 PM PDT by Don W (I only keep certain folks' numbers in my 'phone so I know NOT to answer when they call)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Funny that pure fructose can be had in “health food stores” as a supposed calorie cutter for culinary purposes. Seems that most people would be better off using ordinary sugar.

The calorie cutter argument is just a play on the relative sweetness of fructose compared to sucrose. Unless someone is burning lots of calories, excess carbohydrates can be problematic.

53 posted on 04/20/2010 11:04:51 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: SatinDoll

Man, you are right! It’s almost impossible to avoid that stuff.


54 posted on 04/20/2010 11:28:06 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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To: fireman15

It was also government intervention that caused food manufacturers to switch from natural fats to transfats. Not good.


55 posted on 04/20/2010 11:34:26 PM PDT by fightinJAG (Sic semper tyrannis! Stop spending. Starve the beast.)
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To: fightinJAG

One of the first commercial transfat products (Crisco) apparently came about as an attempt to produce a long-keeping, aesthetically acceptable culinary equivalent to solid natural fats. That’s at least the impression I got from an old promotional cookbook. If Uncle Sam was pushing this (for reasons other than military food supply) there doesn’t seem to be a clear reason for it.


56 posted on 04/20/2010 11:56:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: neverdem

ANTIBIOTICS ARE A MUST in the rations of CORN FED feedlot cattle.
Corn has ill effects on cattle after so long.
Another reason why they go to the packing house.(the meat you eat).

Yet the public consumes large, vast, every present, great amounts of corn products (in nearly everything) then wonders why they and their children get sick..

Corn fed America

The gov. knows this, but what the heck they say, people do have a choice on what they eat and feed their children..

Have you had your antibiotics treatment today ? /s


57 posted on 04/21/2010 1:56:41 AM PDT by triSranch (Live from the Birthplace and Deathbed of the Confederacy)
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To: Persevero
UnSALTED gravy, perhaps, comrade.

Yuck! You can have my share.

58 posted on 04/21/2010 2:44:33 AM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: neverdem
while actually increasing their caloric intake, they lose weight.

This is a lie.

With no other change in lifestyle you cannot eat more calories and lose weight.

Furthermore, this is another reason to end regulation of foodstuffs by government. Sugar tariffs and corn subsidies keep their prices out of sink. Let the market decide.

59 posted on 04/21/2010 2:56:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Exactly, at best we can surmise that rats shouldn’t eat HFCS if they’re worried about weight gain.


60 posted on 04/21/2010 2:58:30 AM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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