Posted on 08/21/2010 12:08:13 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
I and others have written extensively about the wolf reintroduction program and the destruction it has caused since the first 60 were released into Yellowstone Park and Idaho in 1995. What we are attempting to do with these articles is to wake up as many people as possible about the danger the left has put Americans in.
There is a Wolf Cult in America that has convinced many Americans that it would be a good thing to have wild wolves as neighbors in our local parks. Well I for one, and many like me, do not wish to be confronted by a wolf when we decide to go fishing or camping. Especially since the wolves that are being introduced into our parks, like to roam in packs. So if you see one you can bet the farm there are more lurking around near by.
Gate was given permission to post, in whole, an article written by T. R. Mader, the Research Director of AWS which is an independent research organization. Mader has researched wolf history for more than 15 years before he wrote this article. He has since traveled extensively as he continues conducting research and interviews on environmental issues.
Mader wrote this article at the height of furor over the wolf re-introduction program in 1995 & 96. It's my hope that by posting this, many of you will have a better understanding of the anger many ranchers, farmers, hunters, and even regular small town city folk have with a program that has proved to be everything those against the program warned about some 15 years ago.
Due to the length of the article, it has been divided into three parts, and instead of creating three separate posts on FR, I have created three links below for you to follow if you so desire to read the article, "Myths, Legends, & Misconceptions of the Wolf".
Part 1- Misconceptions 1 to 6
Part 2 - Misconceptions 7 to 12
Part 3 - Conclusion & Bibliography
***we need animals who can kill lots of deer.***
That would be me!
It seems this way only because you make a leap of faith, a logical fallacy, in your thinking:
"The only thin in danger of going extinct is every Americans RIGHT to go into the woods"
Nobody has deprived you of that right. What you insist is that you should be able to go to the woods in complete safety. What's next? Should we pay for some people to escort you there and kill mosquitoes around you, lest you may be bitten and infected with lime decease? Should we remove trees with protruding branches so that your Highness will not trip and brake his leg?
You are free to go to the woods. Do so at YOUR own risk.
"People following you and because idiots like you"
So, who does sound like a leftist? Mere disagreement with your point of view results in name-calling. No questions, no discussion. Even some of my liberal friends are more inquisitive and tolerant to ideas.
I don't take any offense: people who so hastily and without reason call resort to name-calling only underscore their own ignorance and the inability to think. The logical fallacy in your statement is shown above.
I shall not reply to you fuhrer. In view of your rudeness, you have not deserved even this one.
Good hunting!
deer kill people too - a lot
http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/04/news/newsmakers/deer/
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/09/28/064540.html
Since the wolf has been reintroduced to Yellowstone the ecology has gone back to what it used to be. If there wasn’t a purpose for wolves do you suppose they’d exist? I think enough animals become extinct without the help of man. If the wolves survive and thrive the world must need them. And yes, I do live with lots of wildlife lurking. Mostly bears, bobcats, coyotes, snakes. They were here first. I respect them and try to stay out of their way. And I occasionally get to watch a bald eagle take a bath.
You sound like the Jews who trusted that Hitler would only help the State get over their economic woes, but all the other crap he said was just talk. Besides, all that talk about him hating Jews is just a bunch of scare tactics by those who don’t understand how badly the country needs someone who can fix the problem and make the trains run on time.
Let us allow the wolves into the sheep fold, they will only kill the deer. Besides, all that talk about wolves killing pets, farm animals, and little children is just a bunch scare tactics used by those who don’t understand how badly we need the wolves to fix the problem and make the deer problem go away.
Useful idiots is what Hitler and his men called people like you. By the way, are you Jewish?
“Actually what you need to do is to open the area to archery hunting.”
When firearms are used, I know enough to hit the dirt. Is there much of an issue w/those “to whom it may concern” arrows?
That's one whale of a big rubber band - to stretch it out to equate anyone who disagrees with you on the wolf question as akin to Jews in Nazi Germany -
I'd say your deep seated and despicable prejudges are showing.
At the very least, such attacks as you use to bolster your side of an argument illustrates only your inability to have a civilized discussion - thus rendering anything you have to say further - moot.
But you have my sympathies: Wherever you go, there you are.
“Wolves were transplanted to Yellowstone and central Idaho on the following dates in 1995: January 11, 12, 19, 21. The first livestock killed was January 29, 1995 near Salmon, Idaho.”
That’s eight days after the last transplant. Just 15 years later we have wolves killing livestock in Eastern Oregon.
Wolves prefer livestock to game because domesticated animals are slow and stupid compared to game making them a cheap and easy dinner date.
Reintroduction was a leftist fool’s dream that is being paid for by farmers and ranchers. Just another one of the many ways they pick our pockets so they can live in their utopia.
TH: "That explains your ignorance. I readily admit I have no friends who are liberal."
Ignorance? Why don't you demonstrate what was ignorant in my post? You are even lower than previously revealed.
Once again, nothing about the ideas that you yourself put on the table, not even an attempt to address what I said. This is, of course, only because you have nothing to say. It's easy to win over dumb fish, but when it comes to thinking --- just can't do it, can you?
Some people are intolerant and see the world in black and white only because they are young. You, however, will never grow out of that, sadly.
You have considerable fascist and Marxist streaks in your worldview. It was Marx's idea that a person's station in life determines his thinking. And so you too claim that my living on the East Coast determines my thinking.
It's funny to hear a Marxist calling a conservative a RINO. Once again, I take no offense, just laugh.
It's because of "conservatives" like you that we have a communist in the White House. Enjoy.
What’s going on is that people in your area have quit hunting and eating them. Deer aren’t outbreeding their predators, their predators (man) got rich and fat and lazy and quit hunting in favor of McDonalds.
If economic times get desperate enough, you might be glad of that abundance.
Just put out a lot more licenses for deer and forget the wolves because your dogs and cats and children wouldn’t be safe.
Most people aren’t aware that wolves are being released on the east coast. But they are not the larger grey wolves, they are red wolves that are somewhat smaller and more coyote like. There are at least several hundred of them in the eastern marshy woods of North Carolina. They are very beautiful, fast, and can hunt smaller game including small deer. Whether their population will stabilize, or start spreading out like coyotes is anyones guess.
Not wolves - they'll hunt the pets, then the kids, then you. And they can't be controlled.
http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_north/20021030nindiana1030p4.asp
Really? Calling people “jews” and referring to them as “like the jews that trusted hitler”? Really? What kind of small brained child are you? Just because someone does not agree with you, does not give you the right to be shmuck. I bet you think Wolves only kill the weak or the sick animals! I know more about Wolves North America than ever will, and you sound like a 4th grader repeating PETA brochure bullet points.
Ours are. We have Coyotes that are the size of large dogs. I've seen some that I thought were red Huskies but they were large Coyotes. I'm guessing they weigh 50lbs or more. I have two part Yellow Mountain Curs that weigh 60lbs and the Coyotes appear to be as big as the Curs are. Ours also hunt in packs and make a terrible racket when they are hunting. So far they have never attacked a human but they don't seem to be afraid either. A lot of the Eastern Coyotes are very large and hunt in packs like wolves. I know they do because I've seen them.
Those are a training device and can't be worn continually - if worn continually, the posts wear holes/sores in the animals' necks (infection) and the nylon collar becomes enbedded in a growing animal's neck. Horrible mess. Plus they are battery operated and the batteries would need replacing.
AND - They don't shock hard enough to do more to an animal of that size with that kind of coat than to just piss them off.....
Where do you get your Yellowstone news from, the Green Channel?
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