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Myths, Legends, & Misconceptions of the Wolf
ChicoER Gate ^ | 8/21/10 | T. R. Mader

Posted on 08/21/2010 12:08:13 PM PDT by Tom Hawks

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I and others have written extensively about the wolf reintroduction program and the destruction it has caused since the first 60 were released into Yellowstone Park and Idaho in 1995. What we are attempting to do with these articles is to wake up as many people as possible about the danger the left has put Americans in.

There is a Wolf Cult in America that has convinced many Americans that it would be a good thing to have wild wolves as neighbors in our local parks. Well I for one, and many like me, do not wish to be confronted by a wolf when we decide to go fishing or camping. Especially since the wolves that are being introduced into our parks, like to roam in packs. So if you see one you can bet the farm there are more lurking around near by.

Gate was given permission to post, in whole, an article written by T. R. Mader, the Research Director of AWS which is an independent research organization. Mader has researched wolf history for more than 15 years before he wrote this article. He has since traveled extensively as he continues conducting research and interviews on environmental issues.

Mader wrote this article at the height of furor over the wolf re-introduction program in 1995 & 96. It's my hope that by posting this, many of you will have a better understanding of the anger many ranchers, farmers, hunters, and even regular small town city folk have with a program that has proved to be everything those against the program warned about some 15 years ago.

Due to the length of the article, it has been divided into three parts, and instead of creating three separate posts on FR, I have created three links below for you to follow if you so desire to read the article, "Myths, Legends, & Misconceptions of the Wolf".

Part 1- Misconceptions 1 to 6
   
Part 2 - Misconceptions 7 to 12
  
Part 3 - Conclusion & Bibliography

(Excerpt) Read more at ChicoER/Gate ....


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: depredation; hunting; wildlife; wolves
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To: calex59
We've had coyotes in this area. So far they've all been pairs or singles. The urban nature of the community is such that packs would not be tolerated.

Besides this is Virginia and there are guns all over the place just waiting for targets. One reason we have an exceptionally low crime rate.

61 posted on 08/21/2010 4:29:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Valpal1
I don't imagine wolves will be politically correct at all. You keep forgetting my caveat at the beginning~they have to be under control in some manner. Now whether that's brain implants, or zap collars (and I don't particularly care if they chaff) it's gotta' be something.

Frankly, I don't think a smaller animal can take care of the 110,000 surplus deer around here and not get all worn out.

Fur Shur they will be safer to use to clear dear than would, for example, a snow leopard.

62 posted on 08/21/2010 4:32:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The urban nature of the community is such that packs would not be tolerated.

You think it's fine for the community to use it guns so coyote "packs would not be tolerated", but oppose their use on roving herds of deer.

Yet you are advocating the reintroduction of wolves which lives and hunts in packs and is an even larger predator and one that would be illegal to shoot. Your logic needs some work.

63 posted on 08/21/2010 4:37:47 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: maine-iac7

The link you provided shows the Coyote we have here. They are quite large and in the dark look just like a red Siberian Husky. I have heard they have some wolf DNA that makes them so much larger than regular Coyotes.


64 posted on 08/21/2010 4:48:52 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: xarmydog
Sorry to hear about you companion, that's a bad way to go...I have had to put down 2 dogs in the last 10 years via the vet. That was bad enough....I have a couple of son's that would join you up the tree...x Navy and x Air Force...all my son's are hunters, usually bow and arrow...Have a grandson that got his first doe at the age of 14...

Son #1 when he would come over, we'd pop rabbits to keep them out of my flower gardens in the back.. He said when he tells his buddy's he and his mother shoot rabbits off the deck, they don't believe him...(but it was just BB guns, hurt but did't kill.) After 3 years, no rabbits came into my back yard...(I think they whispered to each other like in the tale of Peter Rabbit) **Don't go into Mr Mcgreggors garden, your father never returned from there.** :O)

65 posted on 08/21/2010 4:51:04 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: muawiyah

Your state game department can even control the deer population, what makes you think they will be able to effectively control a wolf population? Plus you’ll have the Feds intervening and the enviros suing under the Endangered Species Act.

You won’t solve your deer problem, you’ll merely create a wolf problem.

The solution is cheap and plentiful doe tags allowing them to be hunted 365 days a year. If necessary pay a $20 bounty for every doe head brought in for a year or two.

Not that the numnutz lefties will allow it, but it would do the trick. The correct predator for the problem is man.


66 posted on 08/21/2010 4:52:59 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Valpal1
You seem to be unable to come to grips with the scale of the deer problem. The other night my son came home late just in time to see 7 deer grazing in my front yard (about 45' wide and 20' deep).

You would hike all day to see that in an area where deer were considered plentiful.

67 posted on 08/21/2010 5:13:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: xarmydog

How awful! I’m so sorry about the loss of your best friend. I walked outside one day because my outside dogs were having fits. There was a huge gray wolf standing in the yard on the other side of the fence looking at my dogs. I was startled to see a wolf because I didn’t think we had gray wolves here. It ran off when it saw me. I wasn’t so concerned about my three outside dogs because one is a 110lb Bloodhound and the other two are 60lb Mountain Curs. What did worry me was that my Jack Russell plays in the other fenced yard. His yard is attached to the house but the big dogs fence yard is not. If that happened to my Jack Russell I would never get over it.

I called the TWRA and found out that gray wolves are not native here but some of the 99% hybrids escaped from a kennel near us and went wild. Nobody has been able to catch them so.....I guess we have gray wolves. :-( We know there are two that hang out on our farm. Fortunately we are in a very rural area. My husband was able to touch one so they aren’t extremely wild but he wasn’t able to catch it.

I just hope they don’t cross breed with out large Coyotes. :-)


68 posted on 08/21/2010 5:16:52 PM PDT by Melinda in TN
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To: Tom Hawks


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

69 posted on 08/21/2010 5:28:52 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: muawiyah

You seem to be unable to come to grips with the truth about wolves. They will not solve your deer problem without making a wolf problem that will make the deer problem pale in comparison.

You want to keep the deer out of your yard then get a deer or elk hound of some type.

Once again, if your state game department wasn’t controlled by enviros that prefer to control humans for the benefit of wildlife instead of properly controlling wildlife for the benefit of humans, your county would not be over-run. Your problem is political and won’t be solved by adding wolves to further entrench their stupid anti-human policies.


70 posted on 08/21/2010 5:30:27 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: Valpal1
Hmm ~ Virginia fish and game are kind of loose compared to other states, plus we have OPEN CARRY as well as SHALL ISSUE ~ which might have something to do with that. On the other hand I'm talking about erradicating vermin that look like deer. Hunting seasons are for areas where people have crops to protect. Here, the decorative gardening is the problem ~ deer without food don't reproduce you know.

Wolves still look like a reasonable alternative AND, best of all, they'll force those gardeners who have been feeding the deer indoors!

71 posted on 08/21/2010 5:37:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TigersEye
I live in a town in the CO Rockies with a serious elk over-population problem. It’s not possible to use shotguns or bows to hunt them. The elk problem has been an issue of public debate for about 30 years.

If you got rid of all the politicians that got voted into office by the transplanted liberals that came because of John Denver's songs, then you could increase the number of elk and deer that hunters could kill per season. Or better yet, try a year round hunting season, I guarantee your elk overpopulation problem will disappear real fast.

I mean, how many years now have the Colorado voters sent Liberal Democrat Senators to Washington, and elected Democrat Governors? The problem is not the elk, the problem is the politicians that will not allow the citizens do what they must do.

So what is the politicians cure? Not more hunting, but more wolves. Yea, that sounds like a logical answer....NOT!
72 posted on 08/21/2010 5:37:47 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: xarmydog
My niece in Idaho just lost her beloved dog companion of 14 years - a white American Eskimo -

It got killed by

a moose.

not to mention the dealy moose-car collisions - often resulting in death for the car occupant:

moose kill more people than wolves.

and if you ever come across one in the road - and don't hit it - stop and stay VERY still. Otherwise, it has a tendancy to think of you/your car as a challenger...and he CAN stomp your car into the ground.

73 posted on 08/21/2010 5:39:52 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (g)
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To: muawiyah

I’ve seen a local tom who looks both ways before crossing.


74 posted on 08/21/2010 5:51:46 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (Stupid should hurt.)
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To: Born to Conserve

I hear that wolves love illegal meat. No one seems to notice they are missing if eaten.


75 posted on 08/21/2010 5:53:12 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: muawiyah
Hunting seasons are for areas where people have crops to protect.

That statement is ridiculous. Hunting seasons are for hunting as a sport, for the taking of game for those that enjoy consuming it and for controlling game populations.

If your game populations are out of control, it's because the your game department isn't encouraging the hunting of game appropriately and neither is your community.

Bragging about your state's gun laws is specious, since gun rights are about self protection, not hunting. Start hunting and eating venison. Hang some deer hides on your fence line. Every doe you eat is one that doesn't breed. It looks like you're allow to bag five or six deer a year, so do it.

76 posted on 08/21/2010 5:57:45 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.")
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To: muawiyah; Valpal1; The Comedian; Melinda in TN; xarmydog; goat granny; maine-iac7; calex59; ...
Wolves still look like a reasonable alternative AND, best of all, they'll force those gardeners who have been feeding the deer indoors!

No matter what course of action that anyone offers other than introducing wolves, you scoff at. You keep coming back to the belief that allowing humans to hunt the deer is a bigger problem than bringing in more wolves. Why is it you really want the wolves brought in?

Why are you so hell bent against allowing humans to hunt the deer?

I can only come up with one answer, you sir are a bona-fide anti hunting Liberal. If not then you are at least a full fledged animal loving, tree hugging, wolf worshiping Rhino, who has no problem with the possibility that little children will be killed by these animals.

I only say that, because if you allow wolves to be brought in to do what human hunters can do, then you are anti-hunting and pro wolf. In my neck of the Texas woods, that makes you a liberal.
77 posted on 08/21/2010 6:16:00 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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To: Valpal1
Hunting is for the purpose of eating. I know there are the idle rich who hunt for fun, but meat in the freezer is the main attraction for others.

Hunting seasons separate agricultural activity from pursuit of game to protect farmers from the hunters, and the hunters from the farmers (and both from themselves if they play both roles).

The theory that limiting taking results in more game for later years is nonsense. These animals have to eat, and if there's nothing to eat, they don't reproduce. If resources are limited there will be plenty of animals starving to death in the winter. With the removal of the wolves and other predators from the picture, ethical men must cull the herd to match the resource levels else the remaining animals are harmed.

78 posted on 08/21/2010 6:19:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tom Hawks
It's like this, you probably wouldn't like it if your next door neighbor came over and fired across your front door to shoot a deer in your sideyard.

This is an urban area ~ people live cheek to jowl, head to toe, in ticky tacky woodframe houses with aluminum foil walls.

Firing shotguns knocks the nails out of their plasterboard.

Arrows are less acceptable because they are "silent".

You do realize the game don't gather in the roads, or vast open areas. They are walking around in backyards!

79 posted on 08/21/2010 6:23:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Wrong. If you increase the number of kills a hunter can have or increase the season of hunting, then the number o deer in the out back parts of the state will dwindle. Then the deer will not feel the need to come into the urban areas. They only come to the urban areas because the population in the undeveloped part6s of the state are over crowded.

Believe me. The deer do not want to come around people no more than you want them too. But the population where there is no humans is way too high. So allow the hunters to increase their kills. I guarantee you that within a year maybe two. The deer will then stop coming into the urban areas because they will have more room to roam in the country because they will not feel crowded out.


80 posted on 08/21/2010 6:35:10 PM PDT by Tom Hawks
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