Skip to comments.Vanity - Fracking - Need Info
Posted on 02/09/2011 5:45:09 AM PST by lowtaxsmallgov
Sorry for the Vanity Post, need some help.
The Soros-funded anti-fracking propaganda film Gasland is being shown at a neighborhood school tonight, I was hoping someone could point me to some good scholarly discussion in support of the practice, not so much from an economic perspective but rather from a geological / environmental angle. Very easy to find a torrent of vehement anti-fracking material, not so easy to find anything pro-fracking.
The ANGA vid Ive pointed to is almost scary, because at the end they say theyll make it right if there is any environmental degradation. But that to me is kind of retrograde, make it right is the same phrase BP used. No one wants make it right, it shouldnt go wrong in the first place.
Or should I skip the event entirely, and avoid the liberal swarm? The other choice is to go to a nearby sports bar and watch NCAAMB Georgetown vs. Syracuse and NHL Montreal vs. Boston.
Thanks for expanding my vocabulary! I had to learn a new word to even know what you were talking about!
I haven’t done a lot of research, but the information I have come across indicates the fracturing process takes place at depths well below the acquifer sources that the marxist greenies claim they are worried about.
My suggestion... it’s propaganda, and you’ll have a damn hard time arguing with it regardless of your vocabulary, etc. Even if you were an industry SME you wouldn’t be able to convince these people of anything - you’d just be assaulted for being part of the problem.
Take a look at this website for some counter arguments to the Gasland hit piece: Marcellus Shale Coalition
It’s a tough problem because they don’t have any skin in the game.
If they have any doubts, they can take the position to just “ban it all” and NIMBY it because there’s no immediate downside to them if they are on the “ban wagon” and no perceivable upside if they support it.
Sure, it hurts us all in fuel prices, energy independence etc, but how do they feel it?
So they’re not likely to make a good selfish decision, much less a broad, thoughtful one.
I just found the movie online - if you want a link, PM me.
Weird, Frack is a term used in the Battlestar/Caprica sci-fi tv shows - to substitute for the ‘bad F word’
>> Maybe best to keep a low profile if you are fracking too.
We don’t seem to have so much problem with it here in Texas.
Landowners welcome those rework caravans. Fracking => more royalties.
If the easterners don’t want it, fine — let ‘em shiver in the dark! ;-)
Gasland is currently in rotation on one of the movie channels (HBO, I think). I watched it the other day and it is quite a sensational propaganda film. They show people lighting their tap water on fire as it comes out of the faucet because it has so many chemicals from the fracking that mixed with the well water. I really don’t know what to make of the film to be honest. I’d like more info also...
Not sure how much help this is, but back in the late 70s/early 80s, a bunch of Oil companies came through the area where I lived(North east Ohio) and drilled a bunch of Berea formation gas wells. They also drilled a bunch of Clinton formation oil/gas wells and were fracking the formations then. Fracking is nothing new.
The Clinton wells were roughly 4-5000 feet and there were wells everywhere. No one had any burning faucets.
That’s one of the reasons I live in Texas! You hear CNOOC, China Offshore Oil Company is bidding on the BP Texas City refinery?
>> You hear CNOOC, China Offshore Oil Company is bidding on the BP Texas City refinery?
Yep. It was just a matter of time, FRiend. As they perceive all those treasuries they own to be worth less, they are going to start cashing them in and buying hard assets in the US.
We can hold them off for a little while with political and legal maneuvering — but not forever.
Thankfully they haven’t started in on rural land — yet. When they do, Katie bar the door.
So, the best thing to do is what exactly? I’m hearing defeatism, mostly, and not a lot of direction to good information in support of fracking.
We live on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, not a lot of fracking here. A poster was put up in our building by a lib neighbor. She has a weekend place in Bershire County MA, we have one nearby in Columbia County NY. Fracking is a pretty big deal upstate. New York State - the entire country, actually - needs the benefits that NG fracking could provide, the last thing the upstate economy needs is to be crippled even more by City libtards.
It seems to me that if free markets had any say NG would be the #1 energy source of the USA. Domestic, abundant, clean, cheap - how good is that? But how do we get to that if we keep ceding ground, this time in the fracking debate? They lie, and we don’t call them out?
I feel like we lose a lot of debates to the libs for the wrong reasons - they know they have to work harder, and be more deceptive, because they know they’re wrong. On the other hand we just hope the facts will win on their own.
Conservatives laugh at the Greenies for sequestering CO2 that later carbonates ground water and causes other problems, so why would we allow something toxic forced into the ground to help extract gas/oil?
Most of the gas that has migrated into ground water has been doing so for Millennium. It's similar to the Gulf of Mexico. For centuries, Oil seeped out of the Sea floor naturally, mainly because the formation pressures kept building as it migrated to the surface. (Boyles Law.)
Since we have been drilling there, those pressures have been reduced and the involuntary Oil leakage from the Sea floor has mostly stopped entirely.
Fracking is a safe method of raising production potential and has is the primary reason why the Oil companies can find enough profit to keep drilling. If Fracking were to be banned, most modern drilling would cease. Simply because the yield would not justify the huge expense of drilling.
Finally, there are systems and practices in place that make it virtually impossible for the gas from over 5,000 feet below the surface to work it's way to the surface. Fracking only effects an area around the Well bore in a 50 to 100 foot radius and cannot possibly cause what these idiot Green Marxists claim.
Good video with data and informative animation about the process:
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