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IS MARCO MAKING HIS MOVE?
Urgent Agenda ^ | March 16, 2011 | William Katz

Posted on 03/17/2011 4:57:40 AM PDT by SumProVita

"We've said here before that the Republican cast of presidential characters for 2012 isn't very exciting. The GOP, we've said, may have to reach down to the next generation to find a candidate who can wake things up, and we've suggested Marco Rubio, the new senator from Florida.

Now, Rubio may be making his move. From The Politico:

With a landmark spending debate engulfing Washington, the Florida Republican has, virtually overnight, launched the national profile the conservative movement has been clamoring for.

During his first national interview Monday, Rubio pounced on President Barack Obama — from the friendly confines of Laura Ingraham’s conservative radio show. He blasted a statement to the media, pledging to vote against the Republicans’ short-term spending resolution and calling it a “nickle-and-dime” approach. And he’s vowed to vote against everything that comes through the Senate unless it deals with addressing the $14 trillion debt crisis. ...snip... “Marco Rubio says, ‘What is this continuing resolution crap? I didn’t come in here to fund the government every two to three weeks, and $6 billion here and $6 billion there. What the hell is going on here?’”

(Excerpt) Read more at urgentagenda.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; election; fl; florida; presidency; rubio2012
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To: varina davis
"Marco Rubio would be unbeatable."

If Rubio's Cuban immigrant parents were not naturalized U.S. citizens at the time of his birth, he is NOT eligible for either the office of president or vice-president.

51 posted on 03/17/2011 6:15:13 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: BobL
"I’d nominate my dog if he would run for president"

Over Obama yes. Heck, about the only candidate I could not vote for (Republican nominee wise) in 2012 is Romney. At that point, I would go third party. But my standards are going to be higher than your dog or someone with little experience. No offense to Rubio or your dog... : )
52 posted on 03/17/2011 6:16:29 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: biggredd1

Rubios parents became us citizens and he was born here.


53 posted on 03/17/2011 6:17:37 AM PDT by rep-always
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To: SumProVita

Nope. McCain was born in the city of Colon, Republic of Panama. He is a citizen-by-statute because his parents were both U.S. citizens. American citizens born in Panama know this, and several have posted on Free Republic to report that fact.

The Senate had a dog & pony show supposed to make it legit for Sen. McCain to be Prez - but you can’t alter the U.S.Constitution that way. Any proposed changes must be approved by the States and is usually quite lengthy.


54 posted on 03/17/2011 6:23:41 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: randita
The rub with Obama is not so much that his father was a citizen of Kenya, but that Obama may have been born IN Kenya, not in HI.

Not so Randita. Satindoll is quite an authority on the topic, and so was Chief Justice Morrison Waite who said, in his decision for Minor v. Happersett (1874):

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted. that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

I could quote a dozen other authorities, but you can find them in rxsid’s thread on natural born Citizenship, or at Mario Apuzzo’s site, or find The Venus, Minor v. Happersett, Perkins v. Elg, Wong Kim Ark (noting that Horace Gray sites Waite's definition).

Were Rubio to run, it might be interesting to see the discussions when conservatives who have read the framer's essays and SCOTUS cases reject Rubio, enough as to deny him the candidacy, to see what the Democrats would do with Obama? This time Republicans will have become aware of the definition becuase it will affect their candidate. Would some Republican then bring the challenge which the RINOs would not bring because McCain's natural born Citizenship is suspect?

I say, bring on Rubio, or Jindal. The Democrats couldn't say a word. The Dems would then trot out Hillary. That could lead to Hillary v. Bachmann or Hillary v. Palin.

The only way to make Rubio, if, as we suspect, his parents hadn't naturalized before he was born, would be a constitutional amendment. Would Democrats support an amendment which would permit the charismatic Rubio to run? They wouldn't even attempt the amendment McCain needed; they tried a law, SB 2678, “A Bill to Make Foreign Born Children of Military Citizens Eligible to be President”, sponsored by McCaskill and Obama, in Feb 2008. They knew it would have no effect, since only an amendment can change a provision of the Constitution.

Obama’s father is exactly why he is not president, except in the mainstream media. He is in the White House in clear violation of Article II Section 1, defined, as are most all other terms used in the Constitution, by our common law, as Morrison Waite explained in his decision.

55 posted on 03/17/2011 6:23:49 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: SatinDoll

No one is altering the Constitution NOR the military tradition of this great nation....NOR 8 USC 1401(c).


56 posted on 03/17/2011 6:29:17 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

Can you post an excerpt here? I’m a Navy vet and don’t know what you’re talking about.


57 posted on 03/17/2011 6:35:27 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

“Can you post an excerpt here?”

A natural-born citizen according to 8 USC 1401(c): “a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person.”

Without any other court ruling, citizenship must be presumed.

AND... the normal legalese notwithstanding....it is ordinary common sense. Why would military personnel be denied their rights....simply for obeying orders to be stationed in a location deemed necessary by the U.S. government?


58 posted on 03/17/2011 6:43:18 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SatinDoll

I’m not sure the basis of your assertion that “natural born citizen” = “born in US of US citizen parents.” This definition is not in the Constitution and has never been reviewed by in the Supreme Court. The practical definition is “born in the US to parents that are legal residents of the US (citizen or not) OR born anywhere to parents who are US citizens.”
I’m open to correction, if this isn’t precise.


59 posted on 03/17/2011 7:02:18 AM PDT by Tandem (What ever happened to personal responsibility & self-reliance?)
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To: SumProVita
What the hell do we have here, an audition of minority candidates?

First a black, who failed.

Now, a Latino to show what he can do?

After that, every 4 years a different minority gets a chance to screw with our nation until there is nothing left?

Not that there will be much to start with after Barry Soetoro, the radical socialist racist, turns his father's dreams into reality!!!

60 posted on 03/17/2011 7:09:15 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: rep-always
"Rubios parents became us citizens and he was born here."

If Rubio's Cuban immigrant parents were not naturalized U.S. citizens at the time of his birth, he is NOT eligible for either the office of president or vice-president.

61 posted on 03/17/2011 7:25:51 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Tandem
"I’m not sure the basis of your assertion that “natural born citizen” = “born in US of US citizen parents.” This definition is not in the Constitution and has never been reviewed by in the Supreme Court. The practical definition is “born in the US to parents that are legal residents of the US (citizen or not) OR born anywhere to parents who are US citizens.”

The intent of the Founding Fathers is clear:

Is Being a Born Citizen of the United States of Sufficient Citizenship Status to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of Our Military? The Founders and Framers Emphatically Decided It Was Not!

62 posted on 03/17/2011 7:30:14 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: SumProVita

Somwhat related thoughts: To those conservatives who oppose term limits, if Rubio had not been term limited as Florida Speaker, I doubt he would have decided to run against Crisyt..


63 posted on 03/17/2011 8:19:27 AM PDT by ken5050 (Admin Moderators rule!!!!)
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To: Spaulding
Obama’s father is exactly why he is not president, except in the mainstream media.

Then why the incessant focus on where Obama was born? If all it boils down to is Obama's father, then constitutional lawyers and especially the legal team of then primary challenger Hillary Clinton, would have had a slam dunk case and Obama would have been disqualified during or even before the primary process.

As ruthless as the Clintons are, I do not fathom why they didn't press this issue if they believed they had a case. Why do you think they didn't?

64 posted on 03/17/2011 9:46:43 AM PDT by randita
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To: SatinDoll

I don’t agree with you in either case, but at least you are consistent, which is more than can be said for many who think rules apply to one side of the aisle but not the other.


65 posted on 03/17/2011 9:50:33 AM PDT by randita
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To: SumProVita

The following describes the types of citizenship per the U.S. government.

USCIS - Citizenship

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=a2ec6811264a3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD

Natural born citizen isn’t a type of citizenship. It is ONLY an eligibility requirement to be President of the U.S.A.


66 posted on 03/17/2011 10:07:36 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Hatteras

Question: POLO + Pizz On Liberal Obama?


67 posted on 03/17/2011 10:15:14 AM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: varon

My Dad is of Irish heritage. I guess that makes him a minority too?

I don’t give a good rip about the various grouping of people. We are all the same race: human.

Obama is a Marxist. THAT has to do with his base philosophy and world perspective.......something that is far more important. THERE is where we distinguish.


68 posted on 03/17/2011 2:47:07 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SatinDoll

So, you say that those Americans who often sacrifice the most....who, at times, suffer torture....who serve and protect this nation are ineligible...if they were born where their parents were ordered to serve by that same nation? (I bet Code Pink would agree.)

I don’t know of any judge versed in Constitutional law that would so rule.


69 posted on 03/17/2011 2:52:13 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

Sheesh!

You make it sound like I wrote Article II, section 1, of the U.S.Constitution myself, just to be a meanie. Honest, I had nothing to do with it.

A good source of historical information on this subject is Leo Donofrio’s online site:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/


70 posted on 03/17/2011 2:59:26 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden; SumProVita
But he simply does not have enough political/life experiences yet to become President IMO. He’s not even 40 years old yet and barely qualifies for the office!

Where in Hell do you get this crap from. What kind of playbook is that???

71 posted on 03/19/2011 12:34:51 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco; SumProVita
"Where in Hell do you get this crap from. What kind of playbook is that???"

What danamco? Is my opinion not allowed to be given on freerepublic anymore? Instead of answering with invectives, why not answer with your opinions and why you feel that way. Instead of trying to berate other freepers.
72 posted on 03/19/2011 6:49:26 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden; SumProVita
He’s not even 40 years old yet and barely qualifies for the office!

You sure have the right to your opinion and that's exactly why you got the question you got. Especially with reference to an inexperience usurper sitting (sometimes?) in the Whit-Hut!!!

73 posted on 03/20/2011 5:25:49 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco
"Especially with reference to an inexperience usurper sitting (sometimes?) in the Whit-Hut!!!"

So, your reasoning is that because America made the mistake of putting one inexperienced politician into the job of Presidency it's okay to make the same mistake? Interesting logic.
74 posted on 03/21/2011 5:12:06 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
So, your reasoning is that because America made the mistake of putting one inexperienced politician into the job of Presidency it's okay to make the same mistake? Interesting logic.

Well, compared to YOUR FReeper inexperience, seems that Marco Rubio has MORE under his belt than you have!!!

"Rubio was the Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives during the 2007 and 2008 legislative sessions. He was first elected to the Florida House on January 25, 2000, from the 111th district."

75 posted on 03/21/2011 10:01:04 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: danamco
"Well, compared to YOUR FReeper inexperience, seems that Marco Rubio has MORE under his belt than you have!!!"

Wow, so now your logic jumps to Freeper experience. Gee, I didn't know that Freeper experience equates to actual life experiences. You see, I have a lot of life experiences and only about 4 years freeper experience. I'd rather have the life experience. And when Rubio gets more political experience, I'll definitely consider him. Being speaker of the Florida House of Reps qualifies you to be President about as much as voting present in Illinois does IMO.

You seem so angry and touchy about this subject. Do you work on Rubios campaign?? If so, I hope he doesn't get advice from you on debate pointers. He'll go down in flames...
76 posted on 03/21/2011 10:35:57 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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