Tickerguy: 1, ObaBots: 0 (proof of LFBC fraud)

Market-Ticker ^ | 4/29/2011 | Karl Denninger

[GOPsterinMA]

I was replying to the post where the poster mentioned that typical common law only cares about the citizenship of the father.

I gave an example of that being true.

Often, if one looks at what a post is in reply to, the question of what and why ‘x’ is being answered is answered.

[Stingray]

Alright...all you have to know about this fraud of a birth certificate you can find in the "Links" window in Adobe Illustrator. Here is a screen cap I got from the info of the background (green layer) of the BC: Notice the H,V scaling data: this background was scaled to 48% of its original size in the Horizontal and Vertical axes. Now, here is the links data from the black and white "text" overlay: Notice the H,V scaling data in this link: 24% in H,V of original image. Therefore, if you were to know nothing else about this document, you would know that these two images are from two completely different scans, as it would be impossible to have two different scaling rates from a single scanned document that matched up the way these do in the final composite. Now, as to whether the document was altered in any way: you can find further proof that it was if you open the "Actions" window in Illustrator that saves a history of what was done to the document. Here is that window:

Therefore, was this document altered? You're damn right it was.

[Stingray]

Let's try that again without the screwed up HTML formatting (that the preview window failed to show me!) all you have to know about this fraud of a birth certificate you can find in the "Links" window in Adobe Illustrator. Here is a screen cap I got from the info of the background (green layer) of the BC:

Notice the H,V scaling data: this background was scaled to 48% of its original size in the Horizontal and Vertical axes. Now, here is the links data from the black and white "text" overlay:

Notice the H,V scaling data in this link: 24% in H,V of original image. Therefore, if you were to know nothing else about this document, you would know that these two images are from two completely different scans, as it would be impossible to have two different scaling rates from a single scanned document that matched up the way these do in the final composite. Now, as to whether the document was altered in any way: you can find further proof that it was if you open the "Actions" window in Illustrator that saves a history of what was done to the document. Here is that window:

Therefore, was this document altered? You're damn right it was.

[Stingray]

One more thing:

anyone know the penalty for perjury for a government official who attests a document is a "true and valid copy" when we know this one isn't?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Triple. Karl Denninger write:

There's an old saying: When the facts support your position, use them. When they don't, or when you get caught lying, throw crap at the wall and hope something sticks! ...Unfortunately, in doing so, he proved that I'm correct... The smoking gun is that there are no chromatic artifacts in the Obama document, but the document is allegedly a color scan of an actual piece of paper, and we know it had to be a color scan because the background is allegedly color safety paper... Note the chromatic aberration. This document is in fact a color scan. And here is a blown-up piece of the so-called "scan" of Obama's document: [img] Note the absence of chromatic aberration. The Obama White House document is not an unaltered color scan. Folks, this is physics. It is "how things work." ...Could I scan an image in color and then make this "go away" in an image program? Probably. Why would you? The intent of the release, remember, is to produce an actual image of a physical document and the claim made was that this was a copy of a physical piece of paper. The Obots were all over me yesterday with the claim that "well, it could have been an electronic copy." No, it wasn't.

[Roses0508]

Tab stops? I've done hundreds of forms, and unless I did the same form over and over (can't remember a single incidence offhand), I didn't bother to set the tabs. Just spaced over, released the carriage lock and rolled it up or down to position the data in the right spaces or boxes of the various forms.

I actually typed a good bit of my life and you are correct....unless I did the same form over and over.....but this would have been a form that the clerks typed over and over. You will note that the other BCs viewable on the web all show tab stops. It could be that Obama's BC was typed by someone who only used this form occasionally. Could be.

[Roses0508]

Actually I’m wrong about what the resolution states. It says that the Constitution doesn’t define NBC. However, it was defined several times elsewhere during the writing of the Constitution and during the hashing out of the 14th Amendment.

The Supreme Court addressed the issue in several cases early on using the language used in "The Laws of Nations" by Vattel. The Supreme Court quoted parts of the following in those cases:

§ 212. Of the citizens and natives. “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

If you read the writings of the founding fathers it is obvious that they were influenced by Vattel (among others).

[kjo]

Like the assassination of JFK...this is one of the lies everyone is going to agree to for the sake of society going on.

Killed by a lonenut assassin...who in turn was killed by a lonenut assassin. Not likey, but an acceptable lie.

[TheCipher]

anyone know the penalty for perjury for a government official who attests a document is a "true and valid copy" when we know this one isn't?

Of course you are assuming that the document that he attested to is the one that Obama put up and that the image with his stamp didn't come from another document.

[PeaceBeWithYou]

Awesome. Just awesome.

Also, there was no change in the text of A2S1C5 after the 14th, or any other Amendment or ‘Act of Congress’, it has remained unchanged since adoption of the USC.

[Stingray]

There's one more thing I want to show you that demonstrates Obama's new BC is a composite of at least 2 different scanned images.

I took it upon myself to do a little test. I entered the line, "Barack Obama's LFBC is a fraud!" in my word processor.

I then printed that short line of text out on a color ink jet printer using only black ink, so as to remove any color artifacts from printing.

Here is how that image looks after scanning it as a 24 bit color TIF file converted to PNG format (for upload) at 300 dpi:

Now, here is that same sheet of paper scanned as a 1 bit black & white TIF file converted to PNG for upload:

As you can see, with no other alterations made on these two scans except their conversion to PNG format, there's a huge difference in the quality between the 24 bit file (top) and the 1 bit file (bottom).

The edges of the letters in the 24 bit file have much smoother edges owing to the fact that each pixel in the image has 8 bits of color data (even from a black and white document). That provides the image processor with 256 shades of gray per RGB channel with which to work, providing smoother gradations between the blackest text and the whitest background.

The 1 bit black & white TIF file has only 1 bit of data per pixel: a pixel is either all white or all black. There is no gray scale to create the smooth edges that the 24 bit file has.

Next, I brought these raw TIF scans into PhotoShop and, using the Magic Wand tool, selected the white background of each then enlarged them for the purpose of getting a screen capture of the area on each I wanted to highlight. (I had to promote the B&W image to gray scale to get the Magic Wand to work, which accounts for the solid gray fringe on the lower images letters.)

Here are those PNG images after retouching and enlarging (24 bit image first):

Compare those to this image enlarged and grabbed from Obama's new BC:

The green background layer is the result of a 24 bit color scan (look at the number 1 far right), while the overlaid text is the result of a 1 bit black and white scan with the white background removed for transposition over the color background layer.

There's no question that this document consists of at least two separately scanned images composited together.

To what end, I have no idea.

[aruanan]

That’s not correct, is it? His mother was a citizen, and he was born in the US. That makes him eligible.

There are plenty of illegal aliens who give birth in the United States. The children are U.S. citizens, given that they came down the chute on this side of the border, but they're not eligible for the presidency because their parents were not citizens of the United States at the time of their birth. Also Obama's putative father was not an American citizen and though Obama's mother had had 10 years living in the U.S. prior to his birth, she had not lived for 5 years in the U.S. after her 14th birthday and, though assumed to be married to a still-married guy, was still a minor child. If she had given birth outside the U.S., he would not have been considered a U.S. citizen. And even if he was born in the U.S., at the time his citizenship followed that of the mother. When she gave up her citizenship to assume Indonesian citizenship to marry Lolo Soetoro, his citizenship followed hers. When he was adopted by Soetoro, he was certainly an Indonesian citizen. From at least the time that Ayer's wrote Dreams from My Father, Obama has been engaged in a campaign of obscuring and altering his past.

[Theodore R.]

He is not a “natural born” citizen, but his supporters, if they could understand the term, are now saying that “natural born” is the equivalent of “native born,” and that is good enough for those tens of millions of the uninformed.

[Steel Wolf]

///Let’s not go after the terrorists, it might make them mad, mentality.///

I spent most of the last ten years, directly or indirectly, putting missiles through terrorist roofs or boots through their doors. My only regret is that we didn’t do more. I’m not at all shy about going after enemies of the republic. What I am is tired beyond measure of working for people that employ failed tactics and refuse to see it.

While we no doubt share the same goal in the defeat of Obama and his worthless, toxic, socialist nightmare, the birther tactic has no more chance of success than our kinder, gentler ROE and foreign policy has of curbing the growth of Islamism. Just like our misguided but noble way of war, birthers focus on details and metrics that are correct in specific, but irrelevant on the whole.

Birtherism is the Konar valley of political issues. We can spend years bleeding troops, money and time over a victory that will feel barren by the time we ever see it, because in the meantime we will have lost everything else. I’m tired of winning local battles and losing wars. Believe in this battle all you like, but it’s a diversion that can cost us the war.

[Jim W N]

Where is that other thread you were talking about?

[kabar]

Right. I worked for the State Department for 28 years. Many seem to believe that the State Department is deciding all of these issues, but the fact is that they are just enforcing existing US law, i.e., as provided in US Code.

Immigration law is a major business in this country. 60% of those receiving green cards in the US result from changes in status.

[kabar]

I guess the JOKE is on you.

[Steel Wolf]

///What do you think? I want the truth, the consequences be damned.///

Noble enough. Problem is, you arent gonna get either, because you have no hard evidence. Suspicions alone are easy to discredit, and Obama loves the easy targets birthers present.

You can’t beat something with nothing. Trump almost turned public opinion on Obama, but in the end, Obama has paperwork to support his point, and birthers do not.

There’s plenty of proof that Obama is raw poison for America as we know it. Trying to prove by implication what can be objectively demonstrated is not a winning strategy. In fact, it discredits serious attacks on Obama by painting all critics as wide eyed conspiracy theorists. That’s the only “consequence” that birtherism leads to.

[Kansas58]

James Madison: “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other... “

[Kansas58]

James Madison: “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other... “

If I walk into a bar in Pittsburgh and speak against the Steelers I can expect to be in the minority, in that bar. However, that bar is not a good sample of the truth, the law, or the last contest between them and the Packers.

You want to be right in your own little world, how about you show us how to WIN something on the National stage?