Posted on 05/19/2011 7:22:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
I don’t know, guys. We’ve reached the point where the “Newt implosion” narrative has crystallized so thoroughly that every new story about him ends up being refracted through that prism. I don’t trust my own judgment at this point. Is this new bit genuinely toxic, as Ace’s co-blogger Gabe seems to think, or is it much ado about nothing?
Newt Gingrich, whose campaign for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination has gotten off to a rocky start, risked fresh controversy on Thursday by suggesting that some illegal immigrants living in the United States “may have earned the right to become legal.”…
Gingrich recounted how World War Two-era U.S. draft boards chose who would serve in the military, saying a similar system might help deal with the millions of immigrants living in the United States illegally.
“Because I think we are going to want to find some way to deal with the people who are here to distinguish between those who have no ties to the United States, and therefore you can deport them at minimum human cost, and those who, in fact, may have earned the right to become legal, but not citizens,” Gingrich said.
Here’s the complete quote via Radio Iowa:
“This is, at the risk of — as I do on occasion — of getting into trouble with the news media,” Gingrich said, in answering the question, and a few people in the audience chuckled. “…I’m looking seriously at the way the Selective Service Act used to work in the 1940s and World War II where a local Selective Service board who knew the local people made the decisions…because I think we are going to want to find some way to deal with the people who are here to distinguish between those who have no ties to the United States and therefore you can deport them at minimum human cost, and those who, in fact, may have earned the right to become legal, but not citizens.”
That’s not totally alienating to the conservative base, right? You can imagine local amnesty draft boards designating illegals who’ve served in the military for special legalization privileges. (We already do it, kinda sorta.) As well as anyone else who has “ties to the United States,” which, er … could be millions of people.
Seriously, am I misreading this? Or does Newt know something about the imminent zombie apocalypse, leaving him willing to antagonize grassroots righties at every turn knowing that none of it will matter come Sunday? Exit quotation: “My reaction is if you’re the candidate of very dramatic change, it you’re the candidate of really new ideas, you have to assume there’s a certain amount of clutter and confusion and it takes a while to sort it all out, because you are doing something different.”
Update: Greenroomer Patrick Ishmael e-mails to say that Newt made these comments in Waterloo, Iowa. And he is, apparently, a big Abba fan. So I guess this is obligatory…
I don’t understand Newt. At first I thought he was a staunch conservative but lately it seems he’s become a Rino. Maybe he was one all the time. But when he used to go on Sean’s show he said all the right things. Now when I hear him he doesn’t even sound like the same guy
Now if Newt had his way, it would be who you know that decides if you can be legalized or not. The man has lost his mind.
That’s as bad as Gary Johnson - prev. NM Gov. now announced Prez. candidate - accepting the endorsement of and appearing with Willie Nelson and the TeaPOT Party. He thinks with all that’s going on in this country he needs to worry about legalizing dope?
These fools might as well save their money and go home now.
He’s Sean’s good buddy - can’t wait to hear what Sean has to say about this! LMAO It will be hard for him to defend him.
People do NOT want illegals legalized - how do lawmakers not see this?
“People do NOT want illegals legalized - how do lawmakers not see this?”
That is the question I’ve been asking myself for 10 years now.
We have a government basically complicent in an invasion. And even when we do try and stand up (Minute Men) we’re demonized.
We have a government basically complicent in an invasion. And even when we do try and stand up (Minute Men) we’re demonized.
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You’re so right. I live in NM and you should hear all the Hispanics that call in to the local radio show when the subject of illegal immigration, the DREAM act and amnesty are discussed.
I hear a lot of them, the vast majority, saying “my parents (or grandparents) came here from Mexico legally and everyone else can too”
I say there you go - in a nutshell, even people that originated in Mexico want these illegals to go home and follow the law to come back.
So he just blurts out every silly idea he has? Diarrhea of the mouth.
How about if we have local committees who decide which DC politicians are summarily yanked out of of office and tried for treason? /sarc>
It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged -- G.K. Chesterton
Cheers!
As far as Exporting them to Mexico (where 90% of them came from), how long is the border?
Do the math. 30 million Mexicans and their dependents in the USA. Fly them to Chiapas State 380 people at a time in a widebodied plane.
You can do that in 78947 flights. If you do it over a 6 month period that'll take just 3,036 flights per day. Split that up between 10 airports (3 in Los Angeles, 2 in Arizona, 1 in Colorado, 4 in Texas), and you'll have 304 flights per day from each of 10 airports for 6 months.
So, assuming each plane can do two round trips per day, that's 152 airplanes! You might want to split the dropoff points up as well. Pick 10 Mexican airports.
It is quite doable. What is lacking is the will.
Now, about buses, you'd need several thousand buses ~ they don't travel as fast and would get pretty dirty without some serious cleaning.
Again, quite doable with buses.
Going further, I live about 1.5 miles from a major Interstate crossing point. Traffic there is currently just short of 500,000 cars per day.
Two months of traffic would generate four times the "lift capacity" needed to move 30 million illegals.
There are some preliminary steps that must be done however. First, seal the borders sufficiently to prevent casual border jumpers. Second, increase the penalties on employers hiring illegals ~ and here I'm thinking of something like 16 to 20 years for each count ~ and a count is "hiring an illegal for 1 hour of paid work". Arrest, try and convict a half a dozen executives at some business playing games. Arrest, try and convict some suburbanite hiring someone to do his lawn as well.
I think you'd get peoples' attention.
You'd get a lot of self-deportations out of that.
We also need to rent a building in Mexico Ciy for the purpose of providing a "remote appeals court" for these guys. The sole jurisdiction of that court would be immigration cases involving Mexicans. This is where they'd have to go to appeal a deportation. We could set up another similar facility in Korea, Thailand and other places to serve that part of the world.
That way we would no longer need to provide detention facilities ~ these people would be in and out much faster.
Another proposal is the development of a "prison" on the Mexican border. The front gate takes you to the United States. The back gate is just a wooden door. It opens onto a fence with a hole in it big enough for a man to walk through ~ INTO MEXICO.
The prison is designed to accommodate minor offenders under MAXIMUM SECURITY standards ~ except for that little door in the back.
Yup. I enlisted for US Army Infantry. Sure beat the draft.
Good point - that legal Hispanics who can legally vote don’t automatically support granting legal status to Hispanics who came here illegally. Yet Pres. Bush, Karl Rove, et al assume that Hispanics are a monolithic bloc. So to tap the legal Hispanic voters, they think they need to promise amnesty. And that those to whom they give amnesty will then vote for them. I don’t assume that. Immigrants who come here legally and assimilate don’t want to reward those who didn’t. Illegals granted amnesty will still vote Dem if they remain more interested in handouts than assimilation.
Thanks sickoflibs.
I listened to Newt on Ruch yesterday. All I heard Newt say was me, me, me. I did this and I did that. I was on this commission and that commission. Sounded more like Obama than Obama. All he did was toot his horn.
This guy is a world class stooge.
What the hell is wrong with these politicians? I am getting to the point where I am 100% certain that all politicians love the infighting. I am at about the 95% level now. ALL politicians could diffuse a good portion of this powder keg if they would just SECURE THE BORDER first!!!
After that, I believe a SANE discussion could be had on what to do with the people that FED GOV allowed to cross. If FED GOV wants to attack Arizona or any other states’ attempts on fixing this problem, then they are fully to blame for allowing it to get so bad to begin with.
Now as I understand it, FED GOV is probably going to win against Arizona because only FED GOV can deport, but can a state ask for a STATE ID and if one cannot be produced, can they kick them out of their state? “You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here.”
Well they HAVE already shared a LOVESEAT.
LOL Exactly right.
When I saw Newt sitting next to that despicable woman, I was disgusted and that was the last straw.
That sounds like eviction court.
What other legitimate federal functions does Newt want to localize, while retaining spurious federal jurisdiction over local issues, such as education?
Newt is devolving even further.
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