Posted on 08/07/2011 3:07:39 PM PDT by Moravecglobal
Higher education universities must face fiscal reality.
(17,000 UC paid employees earn more than $100,000)
UC Board of Regents Chair Sherry Lansing can bridge the public trust gap with reassurances that salaries of Chancellors Faculty reflect depressed California wages.
The sky will not fall on the 10 campuses with UC’s shared sacrifices.
the boomer generation and their followers are parasites.
I just wish employers would stop requiring irrlevant or useless degrees.
Tuition bubble not yet set to pop.
That will not happen until we end useless labor laws, stop permitting and supporting illegal immigration, end all H1B style labor programs and demand that public schools actually teach useful work skills and not propaganda.
So this would mean ending the Dept of Education, instituting a "loser pays" system for employment suits and generally removing most federal government intervention in the labor market (aka Davis-Bacon, minimum wage laws etc. etc.)
Higher education universities = socialist training ground
“I just wish employers would stop requiring irrelevant or useless degrees.”
Unfortunately, if you want to hire a white who has no degree, but 20 years in the field and his competition is a minority with a degree, you’d better be prepared to prove in court why you hired the white. It’s a legal issue. Companies are risk averse, so they hire the guy with the most degrees as they can justify that in court.
Having hired many people, I can tell you that college degrees are, for the most part, not an indicator of how people will perform. If you need a mechanical engineer, the fact that candidate A, with no degree builds hotrods makes him infinitely better than candidate B who got straight A’s in engineering shchool and has no outside interest in mechanical stuff. The same is true in all professions. An electrical tech with a ham license is 50 times better than a degreed engineer who has never built any of his own equipment.
“I just wish employers would stop requiring irrlevant or useless degrees.”
You’re dreaming. The reason for requiring degrees is that colleges still have (some) standards, if they want to retain their credibility (i.e., accreditation), whereas high school diplomas are now a joke. So, if you need someone that can read, you better look to a college degree - as being able to read is still necessary there.
(this is a sick, sick, country)
This guy is a single issue mulit-forum spammer who apparently has a grudge against UC. Look at his posting history and then do a google search of his text.
You are correct. MGD has been working as an un-degreed mechanical engineer for over 20 years and he can run rings around people with PE's and perfect college pedigrees. And yet his employment opportunities are limited to small companies with self-made owners who don't care what your papers say as much as what you can do for them.
No joke. There’s no reason for say, a factory foreman to need a business degree. If you want him to be an accountant, then maybe, and I emphasize maybe.
“If you need a mechanical engineer, the fact that candidate A, with no degree builds hotrods makes him infinitely better than candidate B who got straight A’s in engineering shchool and has no outside interest in mechanical stuff. The same is true in all professions. An electrical tech with a ham license is 50 times better than a degreed engineer who has never built any of his own equipment.”
I remain skeptical of your assertion about qualifications. Engineers need a good understanding of math and science. Building engines does not provide a good background in math and science. Obtaining a ham license does not provide sufficient training in math and science for electrical engireering work. I agree that a degree is not sufficient but practical experience as a mechanic or radio operator does not provide sufficient training. In most cases, it is far easier for a degreed engineer to obtain relevant work experience than a mechanic and electrician to obtain background in math and science.
I agree that that a degree is not a prerequisite for engineering work. Individuals need training and experience with some certified credentials especially for entry level positions. University education needs major overhauls for much lower costs, increased flexibility, and standardized results.
Puh-leeze, I have excellent reading and writing skills and I don’t have a degree. I have my own small business (that has yet to really pay off) and while I’m on SSD, it’s only until I get my issues sorted out and then proceed to have my business pay off. When I was twenty-two and trying to get a receptionist/secretary job, I kept seeing the requirement for a freaking degree and several years of experience, it was shocking and discouraging.
Dude, I’m talking about TODAY’s graduates, where if you don’t give the ‘proper distribution’ of diplomas to the ‘right people’ your job is at risk.
In the past...we lived in a different country.
As I’ve been saying for years, new leadership in academia, too. But the transition will be much more thorough after the end of the default process.
“None of those things will actually help you employ another human being or better society. They just help you become an *sshole. “
Agree...and hiring them would be a huge risk to a normal person...however these people still had to be able to read to get their diplomas.
“I remain skeptical of your assertion about qualifications. Engineers need a good understanding of math and science. Building engines does not provide a good background in math and science. Obtaining a ham license does not provide sufficient training in math and science for electrical engireering work.”
I spent half of my 33 working years hiring engineers. I hire first for attitude. Second, I look for a consuming interest that tells me the person will be interested in the job; interested enough to acquire the background they need. On several occasions, I interviewed EE’s with straight A’s from FAMU. One, I finally asked, “can you tell me what V=IR means?” (A central equation in her field that she should have used 100’s of times.) She couldn’t. I asked if she could tell me what any of the letters stood for, she said no. I was very careful writing up the interview as I’d been told the company wanted her. The HR lady was furious with me and the company, Honeywell, made her an offer anyway. We were out bid by TI. Another straight A engineer was having problems with his car battery, so I told him how to troubleshoot it. Turns out, he had no idea how an alternator worked.
“Having hired many people, I can tell you that college degrees are, for the most part, not an indicator of how people will perform. If you need a mechanical engineer, the fact that candidate A, with no degree builds hotrods makes him infinitely better than candidate B who got straight A’s in engineering shchool and has no outside interest in mechanical stuff. The same is true in all professions. An electrical tech with a ham license is 50 times better than a degreed engineer who has never built any of his own equipment.”
I doubt that you’ve ever hired anyone. Such nonsense.
” Higher education universities must face fiscal reality. “
Funny..........they haven’t had to since 1976....how many know that their salaries topped 400,000 for top positions in Cal?
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