Posted on 10/10/2011 9:30:26 PM PDT by beancounter13
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Perry |
Cain |
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2nd Amendment |
Has a firearm, a CCL, and he uses them. Has a long history of 2nd Amendment support: |
Thinks gun control should be left to the state and local governments placing him at odds with Heller and McDonald. |
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Abortion |
Perry signed into law a regulation would have required women seeking an abortion to view a sonogram and listen to the fetus's heartbeat while a doctor rattled off a detailed description of the fetus's anatomical development — and then forcibly ponder their decision for an additional 24 hours before an abortion could be performed. |
Pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception, pro-life from conception.
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Gay Marriage (note the so-called 'flip-flop' actually serves to showcase Perry's support of the 10th Amendment) |
Rick Perry has signed a pledge to back a federal constitutional amendment against gay marriage – a reversal from a month ago when the Texas governor said he so supported individual states' rights that he was fine with New York's approval of same-sex marriage. |
Supports traditional marriage, support traditional marriage
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Global Warming / Cap & Trade |
Long history of fighting the EPA as Texas Governor: [The EPA] relied heavily upon findings by climate-change scientists that have been subsequently discredited by the scientists' own e-mails .... |
I don't believe global war-- global warming is real. Do we have climate change? Yes. Is it a crisis, no. And this is why I strongly oppose the-- the cap in trade
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Red Flags |
Use of a liberal term (“heartless”) while discussing an issue (in-state tuition for residents of non-citizens). |
Use of a liberal term (“insensitive”) in referring to a racial accusation before the facts were revealed. |
Cain’s Tax Mutiny. New national sales tax on top of the income tax is a political killer
Wall Street Journal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2789966/posts
FLASHBACK: Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist endorses Rick Perry for Texas governor
Dalls News ^ | 24 February 2010 | GROMER JEFFERS JR
Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2011 5:32:13 PM by Clairity
“I had to come 1,200 miles to find a governor who believes in a simple principle called the rule of law,” Gilchrist said at the Crescent Hotel. “I’m here to encourage all you Texans to stand your ground and get out there and vote for this governor.”
Gilchrist later added that “Perry has a clear record of decisive action to secure our borders, stop illegal drug and human trafficking trade and is very clearly the right choice for voters in Texas to fight illegal immigration.”
In accepting the endorsement, Perry blasted the federal government’s effort to secure that nation’s borders.
“Washington’s record on border security has been one of indifference, of neglect and failure,” Perry said. “That’s why Texas has been stepping up with resources to fill the gap left by Washington.”
Perry said the state, over the last two legislative sessions, has pumped in over $225 million for border security.
“We’re not going to rest in Texas until that border is completely secure,” Perry said.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2789954/posts
Cain wants to empower the states to deal with immigration. Might be a good idea, then the states can take care of all the expenses themselves. Take Texas and Perry he can give the illegals all the education and healthcare he wants as long as Texans pay for it with no money coming from the feds.
Secure the border with more boots on the ground
I do believe we can secure the border with a combination of boots on the ground, technology, and a fence, but we’ve got three other problems. And to get to it, we’ve got to secure the border.
Secondly, let’s promote the path to citizenship that’s already there. We don’t need a new one, we just need to clean up the bureaucracy that’s slowing the process down and discouraging people.
The third thing we need to do, enforce the laws that are there, and the way we do it, empower the states. I believe that the people closest to the problem are the best ones to be able to solve that problem. Empower the states to do what the federal government hasn’t done, can’t do, and won’t do. This is how we solve the entire problem.
Source: 2011 GOP debate in Simi Valley CA at the Reagan Library , Sep 7, 2011
We have a path to citizenship: it’s called legal immigration
Q: When Pres. Obama joked about protecting the borders with alligators and a moat, not only did you embrace the idea, you upped the ante with “a 20-foot barbed wire electrified fence.” Were you serious?
A: America has got to learn how to take a joke. But allow me to give you my real solution to the immigration problem. I happen to believe that is four problems.
1. Yes, we must secure the border with whatever means necessary.
2. Enforce the laws that are there.
3. Promote the path to citizenship that’s already there. We have a path to citizenship for illegal aliens. It’s called legal immigration.
4. And then, I happen to agree with empowering the states and allow them to deal with that issue. If we work on the right problem, we will be able to solve it.
And in the case of immigration, we’ve got four problems that we need to work on simultaneously. We can have high fences and wide open doors, all at the same time.
Source: Iowa Straw Poll 2011 GOP debate in Ames Iowa , Aug 11, 2011
# Guiding principle #2: We have got to lead this nation from an entitlement society to an empowerment society, by getting government out of the way. We’ve got to empower states to do what states do best: to solve the people’s problems at the state level. Empowerment, not entitlement
Source: 2011 Faith and Freedom Conference , Jun 4, 2011
If states don’t want to do anything about it they can reap what they sow.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2789707/posts
Perry Comes Out Swinging on Illegal Immigration in Iowa Rick Perry Report ^ | Oct 8, 2011 | Joe Hyde
I heard a report on the radio the other morning. Within just a couple days after that Federal judge upheld most of the Alabama immigration law, *hundreds* of children were withdrawn from just *one* local school. It seems tens of thousands of illegals are on their way *out* of Alabama already. (But to where, who knows?)
Simply “enforcing the law” leads to a very beautiful thing called “self-deportation.” This can happen at the national level also, with the right leadership in Washington.
He has said a lot of good things. His “record” of saying things looks like a conservative’s dream.
Of course, he was a conservative talk show host. Rush Limbaugh also has a “record” that would be a conservative’s dream.
The question is, can we look at what he DID as a president of a company, or as a director, and see how he actually applies his principles?
For example, we know that he is a strong supporter of the FairTax (something I am at best lukewarm about). But he’s pushing 9-9-9. It’s because he says that is what he can accomplish now, and he can work it into a FairTax at a later time. The 9-9-9 imposes a national sales tax while we still have an income tax, something a lot of conservatives are extremely nervous about. Cain wins, gets 9-9-9, then an Obama wins next, and it’s a 15-15-15, or worse, they bring back the full income tax “for the very rich”.
But more interestingly, why is it that Cain is pushing this compromise plan? Because he thinks it is what he can pass in the short term? Because he really likes it? Because it can get more support among voters than the plan he actually wants? Is this a sign of political waffling? He is a smart man, but we know smart people often think that compromise is a great idea (see Gingrich for example).
Running a company under the auspices of a parent company also involves making many compromises. It’s not a place where you really can see how a person applies principles.
I think Cain will stick to what he says, although his record of saying things isn’t all that long. For example, do a google search, and find the oldest quote you can from Cain about his pro-life position.
Maybe there are people who would tell us he was pro-life in the 1990s. Or maybe not. We KNOW Romney was pro-choice in the 1990s, because we have him on record. How do we know if Cain used to have a different position, when he has only been making public comments recently?
I can prove I have been pro-life my entire life, because I was actively involved with pro-life organizations while I was still in high school. I can cite my correspondence trying to get into the Latter-Days Ministries program, I attended walk for life rallies, I passed out leaflets.
Do we have a record of Cain that would include anything like that? It would be helpful, since he hasn’t been a public official so we don’t have a voting record, to see how in his private life he acted out on his convictions.
Maybe his book has some evidences from his private life. I’ll have to read it.
From what I heard, Herman Cain’s 999 plan is phased in in two parts. The second part abolishes the income tax altogether. There will be no more income tax. No more payroll tax, no more capital gains tax and you should go read from his site the 999 plan yourself.
Here’s an off-topic scary thing. When doing what I mentioned we should do, I went to a NARAL pro-choice site ranking Cain on abortion, and they had three links for his positions. The third was supposed to be his 2004 senate campaign, and the actual link took me to the FreeRepublic discussion of his 2004 senate campaign.
So yes, even NARAL uses FreeRepublic as an authoritative resource.
Not sure source is the right word. More like ‘archive’.
Money is fungible, so the only way that would work is if pro-illegal states received not one single penny for anything in federal money. In other words, never gonna happen....
Immigration is a federal issue. We cannot allow some states to act as magnets for illegal aliens. Eventually, those illegals who flood into pro-illegal states, end up spilling over into other states as well.
They were certain that even though he didn't have the money of Isakson, he was getting popular, and would shine in the debates.
Unfortunately, in the end his campaign wasn't able to translate solid conservatism, good debate performances, and his business credentials into a primary victory.
Herman Cain blasts Roe v. Wade
This is also currently the earliest reference I can find to Cain speaking about abortion publicly. There could well be earlier ones. I'm still looking into Cain as a candidate to support.
Sounds like Dim Rick is running away from his earlier comments about possible legalization for illegals.
Numbers USA ranks all the candidates on immigration. Bachman is best with a B minus. Obama gets an F minus. Perry a D minus for his opposition to a fence, in-state tuition for illegal aliens, opposition to e-verify and support for some kind of legalization program (amnesty).
Also worth noting that John McCain swore his vehement opposition to Amnesty, despite having his own name on the biggest amnesty bill in human history. The dodge was that his legalization came with a token fine and some paperwork...so it was not in his view really an amnesty per se. Similar deal with Dim Rick as an earlier poster noted.
Yeah, which is which is why it is so sad when states give illegals benefits, free health care and educations. In the ling run it hurts the rest of the country. Alabama has it right!
MNB, You don’t document anything. Amnesty is a federal matter, and you know it. If you don’t like Perry, that’s fine, but be honest. Word games are for liberals, stop acting like one.
Stamping your feet and putting your fingers in your ears and pretending that Perry didn’t say exactly what I quoted him from his own document will not accomplish anything.
Meet the New Boss likes to snag unsuspecting freepers. When he gets called out, he can’t back up his claims. It’s a pattern of his, and he doesn’t seem to care.
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For those who have not yet bought Herman Cain’s new book, this was included in the book on immigration:
“Our new vision means immigration through the front door and not through the back door or the side door. This nation was built on immigrants. Legal immigrants. And if we attack the right problem, actually we have four problems rather than one. We’ve got to secure the border, we’ve got to enforce the laws that are already in place, we’ve got to promote the path to citizenship that is in place. Why don’t you ask the millions of people who have come here legally? They’ll tell you about the path. And then the fourth thing that we have to do in order to deal with the nation’s illegals that are already here is to realize that the federal government is not going to solve the problem. In our new vision we will empower the states to solve the problem of those who are here illegally. That’s how we take care of that problem.”
Cain, Herman. This Is Herman Cain! My Journey to the White House (pp. 218-219). Pocket Books. Kindle Edition.
He says:
1. We’ve got to secure the border,
2. we’ve got to enforce the laws that are already in place,
3. we’ve got to promote the path to citizenship that is in place.
4. we will empower the states to solve the problem of those who are here illegally.
The fourth point is key. The Perrybots often repeat the talking point that the only choice is round them all up and deport them en masse or else legalize them.
NO. Support things at the state level like what Arizona and Alabama are doing in eliminating employment of illegals and denying them benefits and there will be self-deportation.
And I (this is MTNB talking) believe we all need to lobby Congress for a law reversing the Supreme Court decision requiring the states to give K-12 education to foreign nationals in the country illegally. That decision was dealing with a Texas state law. If we get a law passed at the federal level, which is entitled under the Constitution to make law on immigration, I believe the Supreme Court would defer and the earlier ruling would no longer apply.
No mention of taxpayer subsidized instate tuition and financial aid for ILLEGAL aliens or amnesty?
Perry's a pro-ILLEGAL alien candidate. That's not a red flag, it's a non-starter.
DITTO:
We should not split our vote with these two or Romney wins.
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