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Free Republic Sacrilege: Why Perry is the Conservative and Cain is Not
Self | 10/10/2011 | Beancounter13

Posted on 10/10/2011 9:30:26 PM PDT by beancounter13

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To: Jim Robinson
Both have pluses and minuses. Will take either over Romney who is ALL minus.

Yes & yes. However I am thinking in the presidential debates, Cain would do better against Obama. Those debates are usually watched by very large number, and could prove to be crucial. I will be anxiously watching Perry in tomorrow's debate to see if he has what it takes.
21 posted on 10/10/2011 9:52:28 PM PDT by federal__reserve (November 2012 will decide whether we fall into an abyss or walk up the shiny city on the hill.)
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To: beancounter13

Native Texan, here. Stood a few feet away from Perry when he commandeered our first TEA Party in Arlington. He struck me as chameleon-like. Illegal issue is a big fail from him. I stand with Cain, at least for now.


22 posted on 10/10/2011 9:52:42 PM PDT by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: TheZMan

Considering my rather short list, Perry would be “100% Conservative”. I know there are other issues to be considered.


23 posted on 10/10/2011 9:52:45 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep. Let’s train the big guns on Romney first. When he’s out of the race, then we can debate who’s more conservative and a better nominee.


24 posted on 10/10/2011 9:53:29 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: beancounter13

You didn’t contrast their positions on immigration. Any particular reason why you didn’t do that?


25 posted on 10/10/2011 9:55:20 PM PDT by kevao
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To: beancounter13
I liked Newt since 1994 and I guess I always will. But Cain is 'mixing things up' and I'm all for that!
26 posted on 10/10/2011 9:57:02 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Ingtar
Did you perchance listen to the entire answer by Cain?

Actually, I did, and that bothered me as much as his other answers. He obviously knew that he was supposed to say that he "supported the 2nd Amendment", but the rest of it made me wonder whether he understood the 2nd Amendment.

Being from Texas, I have a different perspective, but to me, "the right ... shall not be infringed" has a very specific meaning.

27 posted on 10/10/2011 9:57:12 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: lonestar

I understand that it was awkward. He was struggling not to give the media a soundbite to bash him with. In the end, he did flat-out state that he didn’t believe in abortion even in the event of rape.


28 posted on 10/10/2011 9:57:19 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: beancounter13

Anyone who can say “I have not found much substance” in reference to Herman Cain simply loses all credibility.


29 posted on 10/10/2011 9:58:40 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: beancounter13
I watched the CNN interview at least 4 times tonight shaking my head each time.

Give your head another shake then. On the other hand, your title suggesting that Cain is not a conservative could lead one to speculate that perhaps you suffered from shaken baby syndrome in your formative years.

As I have said many times, my candidate is Herman Cain and contrary to your comments, he is definitely a 'no BS' kinda guy. Now should Rick Perry end up as the GOP nominee, I will work hard to elect him, and we should all be united on TWO objectives: Preventing Mitt-Witt from securing the nomination, and throwing that Kenyan bum out of the White House.
30 posted on 10/10/2011 9:59:00 PM PDT by mkjessup (Herman Cain is a God fearin', Jesus-lovin', Constitution-revering PATRIOT. What's not to like?)
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To: beancounter13

“I have come to the conclusion that he knows his talking points, but I have not found much substance. “

You mean like when Perry calls social security a ponzi scheme but doesn’t have a plan to deal with the problems?


31 posted on 10/10/2011 9:59:04 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: beancounter13

Please see my post #28

He is learning fast and getting better at managing the press. He learned form the ‘insensitive’ comment.


32 posted on 10/10/2011 9:59:51 PM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: beancounter13

I am going to congratulate you for the best Rick Perry post for today. No, the week. Thanks!


33 posted on 10/10/2011 10:01:18 PM PDT by bullypulpit (Go see The Rick Perry Report at http://rickperryreport.com/)
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To: beancounter13

Rick Perry is absolutely NOT a conservative. His stand on illegal immigration, his paternalistic vaccine mandate, and many other issues show that he’s a statist.


34 posted on 10/10/2011 10:01:38 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Marie

“He is learning fast and getting better at managing the press. He learned form the ‘insensitive’ comment.”

Fortunately only beltway insiders care about the Sunday morning talk shows. What really counts are the prime time debates.


35 posted on 10/10/2011 10:02:34 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: beancounter13

What happened to the “illegals” catagory?


36 posted on 10/10/2011 10:04:58 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Meet the New Boss
What about legalizing the illegals? Are you IN FAVOR of that? Isn't that by far the biggest red flag about Perry?

Look who's spreading misinformation. Of course, I will supply a reference to back it up. Rick Perry does not support amnesty or the DREAM act.

The federal DREAM Act is an amnesty bill, and I strongly oppose amnesty. The Texas educational residency bill was vastly different. -Rick Perry

Rick Perry on Illegal Immigration

37 posted on 10/10/2011 10:05:17 PM PDT by beancounter13
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To: doc1019

So you’re acknowledging that Cain is a liberal, are you?


38 posted on 10/10/2011 10:05:28 PM PDT by DRey (Perry/Rubio 2012)
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To: lonestar
I saw the interview with Stossel and Hennigan (?) and frankly, they didn't seem to understand where Cain stood on abortion and I sure couldn't figure out what he meant.

Maybe this will help.

Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life
The Founding Fathers got it right. The Founding Fathers got it right because of those fundamental principles: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They also got it in the right order. That wasn't an accident. Their vision meant that you could pursue happiness in America as long as you don't infringe upon the liberties of somebody else. And you can pursue all the liberties that you want as long as you don't infringe upon the life of anybody else. And that starts with the life of the unborn. Source: , May 1, 2011

Life begins at conception, period
I believe that life begins at conception, period. And that means that I will have to see enough evidence that someone I would appoint shares that same view. I believe that the current Supreme Court is leaning too much to the liberal side.

I'm a Christian, I've been a Christian all my life. I've been a believer in the Bible since I was 10 years old. I'm very active in my church, and there is no way I would compromise my religious beliefs about the sanctity of life. And so it starts with, will they have demonstrated, in some of their other rulings, if they come from the federal judge bench, whether or not they also share that.

Because I believe that the principles that our Founding Fathers cherished, when they founded this country, and wrote the Declaration of Independence which inspired the Constitution, they were based upon biblical principles. I want to get back to those principles as president, if I run and get elected--not rewrite those documents. Source: Interview on the Bryan Fischer radio show , Jan 18, 2011

39 posted on 10/10/2011 10:05:56 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: beancounter13

No IBTZ from me. I think you did just fine.

I am not excited about ANY of our candidates. I had already picked my candidate and she decided to to run.

I will remain supporting “none of the above” for now and I hope to decide sooner rather than later.

Thank you for your post.


40 posted on 10/10/2011 10:06:34 PM PDT by Gator113 (~ Just livin' life~)
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