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SHOCK POLL: SC Primary: Cain 26%, Romney 25%, Perry 15%... Developing...

Posted on 10/11/2011 7:36:06 AM PDT by jakerobins

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To: Marie
Marie,

I'd like to address your statement that Perry supporters are becoming his worst enemy.

I began reading this thread about the SC poll. Within a few posts, I see a sarcastic message that shows Perry crashing in a series of "rocket explosion" pictures. Followed by several people cheering and laughing about it.

As a Perry supporter, that offended me and I reacted to it. Admittedly, with bad language, and the moderator removed my post.

Then you asked me why I wouldn't be happy if Romney won with Cain as his V.P.

Followed by Perry supporters are his worst enemy. I guess its ok to make sarcastic attacks on Perry's campaign, but his supporters should sit back and be quiet? And if we speak up in his defense, we're the mean ones?

Please.

51 posted on 10/11/2011 8:59:22 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
Among Tea Party supporters, Cain leads with 35%, followed by Perry at 16% and Romney at 15%.

My entire point is vote for PERRY because he can win and because he's a fine candidate and a true conservative. Romney is NOT.

Sorry, but Cain is the true Tea Party conservative.

52 posted on 10/11/2011 9:05:11 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: AdamBomb

Yes they would.


53 posted on 10/11/2011 9:09:18 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: AdamBomb

I liked in that debate that Herman Cain said he would pick Newt when he is nominated...

Ya notice that Perry and Romney chickened out...

I think it would be a good thing if we had some idea who was on their short list BEFORE the primary...

Like whats the use of voting for a conservative if he intends to choose a sold out RINO for his runing mate ???


54 posted on 10/11/2011 9:10:11 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Marie
And IF Cain is Romney’s VP, why would it be different that Palin’s potential VP position? Her supporters would be very happy that she was in the position to take the nomination (with VP experience) down the road.

So why would Cain supporters not be happy with this as well? How is it ‘dumb’ to hope that our candidate at least gets an executive position to help him qualify for the presidential nomination later?

Grunthor just called me a liar. Netizen called me a dumbass.

I used the same word Netizen used and my post was removed by a moderator.

Those are Marie's words, not mine.

If you're telling me I'm a liar and a dumbass for suggesting Marie's words sound like she's "OK" with Romney winning and Cain being his VP, then maybe I am.

55 posted on 10/11/2011 9:10:53 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: Tennessee Nana
I think it would be a good thing if we had some idea who was on their short list BEFORE the primary...

I think that is why he said it. To let us know what he's thinking.

56 posted on 10/11/2011 9:12:30 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: mikhailovich
I needed to repost this as I forgo some html in the previous post.

From the article:

Among Tea Party supporters, Cain leads with 35%, followed by Perry at 16% and Romney at 15%.

My entire point is vote for PERRY because he can win and because he's a fine candidate and a true conservative. Romney is NOT.

Sorry, but Cain is the true Tea Party conservative.

57 posted on 10/11/2011 9:15:10 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I liked in that debate that Herman Cain said he would pick Newt when he is nominated...

Ya notice that Perry and Romney chickened out...

You must have selective memory loss.

As I recall it, Cain said he would pick Gingrich. Perry said he would pick a hybrid of Gingrich and Cain. Romney said he would pick Cain.

You may want to DVR that and try again.

58 posted on 10/11/2011 9:15:10 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich

“Then you asked me why I wouldn’t be happy if Romney won with Cain as his V.P. “

I was only wondering why it would be different than McCain/Palin. We were all pretty happy about that. It was a legitimate question.

Did I say that I’d be alright with it? Nope. Never. I was just wondering what we’d do if we found ourselves in such an unlikely quandary.

I was addressing an issue that Perry supporters continue to raise - over and over and over again - with a question of my own.

So now I ask you this, why do Perry supporters hate Cain so much?

As I see it, all of the vitriol came when Cain started surging. The main argument isn’t that Cain isn’t a true conservative or that he doesn’t embody conservative ideals...

It’s that they believe that only Perry can beat Romney. That he’s our only hope.

As Cain surges in the polls and begins to overtake Romney, why aren’t Perry supporters at least happy that Romney can still go down? Cain is doing at least as well as Perry did against Romney a month ago.

To answer your charge that Cain supporters are being mean about Perry:

The reason why Cain supporters are so mad is that Perry supporters have been a pain in the butt for almost two months now. I’ve been a FReeper for nearly 12 years and I’ve never been slammed as a RINO, a Paulbot, stupid, etc like I have when I tried to raise legitimate concerns about Perry. I live in Texas and this guy has been a personal thorn in my side for years.

You ask why we gloat? Well, your group has been viscous for months and many of us are getting sick of it. The few who actually were willing to discuss the issues with me in a rational way were actually scoring points in my mind and I was starting to look at Perry with an open mind. Not convinced, but not hating quite so hard. I was starting to see him as a lesser evil than Romney. (That was a big step for me)

But about three weeks ago, the nastiness, name-calling and word twisting started and I am now shut down. I have no reason to fight my own conscience to find a way to be alright with Perry.

I now have a candidate that agrees with 90% of my own values. I’m tired of being called names and attacked. I’m not listening any more, Perry-people.


59 posted on 10/11/2011 9:15:57 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Netizen

Thats refreshing after the secrets of the current administration isnt it ???


60 posted on 10/11/2011 9:16:05 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: mikhailovich
I fully expect my post will get yanked too, I just wanted you to know what its like.

Perry's numbers are declining. Tough. The graphic was funny.

61 posted on 10/11/2011 9:18:33 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: jakerobins
Just mentioned on Foxnews, and they are trying to confirm, that NBC is reporting that Romney aides visited the White House during the health care debate to advise Bowbama. Again, Foxnews is efforting a confirmation of the NBC story.
62 posted on 10/11/2011 9:19:11 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: mikhailovich

I liked in that debate that Herman Cain said he would pick Newt when he is nominated...
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BUT as I recall Before Cain answered he said this is just a game? Right?


63 posted on 10/11/2011 9:23:13 AM PDT by paul revere is riding (I'm really a Paula....."knock and the door will be opened...Jesus Christ")
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To: Marie
>>>I tried to raise legitimate concerns about Perry. I live in Texas and this guy has been a personal thorn in my side for years.<<<

Ahaaa....now we're getting to the bottom of this. Sounds like maybe you took the budget axe from the legislature? If not, care to share why he's been a personal thorn in your side for years?

I'm also a Texan and nearly lost my job due to the cuts. Rather than whine and sniff about Perry, I recognize he's a true FISCAL CONSERVATIVE and balancing the state budget comes before my precious job.

Its called BIG picture and not being selfish, in my case. Not sure about your's. My guess is you'll go silent and continue to view Perry and his supporters as mean and nasty for your own selfish reasons.

Is that right on the money?

64 posted on 10/11/2011 9:23:46 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: mikhailovich
As I recall it, Cain said he would pick Gingrich. Perry said he would pick a hybrid of Gingrich and Cain. Romney said he would pick Cain. You may want to DVR that and try again.

You're the one that needs to check the DVR. Romney said any of the people on the stage were better than Obama. In other words he did not pick one.

Cain made a joke about Romney if he'd drop his jobs plan and went on to pick Newt.

65 posted on 10/11/2011 9:23:56 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: jakerobins

I can’t get too excited. South Carolinians reelected Lindsey Graham.


66 posted on 10/11/2011 9:26:56 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: mikhailovich

http://vicepresidents.com/blog/2011/09/24/gop-hopefuls-pick-hypothetical-running-mates/


67 posted on 10/11/2011 9:28:13 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Pride in the USA

Good stuff! I hope Herman does a good job again tonight!


68 posted on 10/11/2011 9:32:55 AM PDT by lonevoice (The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, impeach we much. We will much about that be committed.)
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To: onedoug

I’m on the Cain Train. Choo Choo!!


69 posted on 10/11/2011 9:35:38 AM PDT by stylecouncilor (Some minds are like soup in a poor restaurant...better left unstirred.-PG Wodehouse)
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To: paul revere is riding
BUT as I recall Before Cain answered he said this is just a game? Right?

They all knew if was just a hypothetical. I think Newt was the one that called it a game. Cain said he'd play the game, joked about Romney then picked Newt.

70 posted on 10/11/2011 9:36:28 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Marie; mikhailovich
Wow Marie, first Perry calls you 'heartless' and now mikhailovich is calling you selfish before hearing your reasons! LOL
71 posted on 10/11/2011 9:39:05 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: mikhailovich
vI have a daughter with an autoimmune disorder. At the time of the Gardasil fiasco, there was no medical opt-out. Only a religious exemption. This was a serious threat to my daughter's health. I was about to pull her out of school and start homeschooling again when things were finally straightened out.

I am a property owner. Perry's enthusiasm for Eminent domain really upset me. Private property rights are important to REAL conservatives. The fact that families were facing losing old family farms was a problem.

My step-father, the man who raised me, was killed by an illegal alien who then fled back to Mexico in order to avoid prosecution. Perry's lack of support for Jan Brewer upset me. The fact that he didn't say or do a darn thing about our sanctuary cities upsets me. The fact that I'm paying higher property taxes in order to provide and education for the children of illegal aliens upsets me.

ow, do I believe that ANY of that will sway you in the slightest?

Nope. You're a Perry supporter. You've already heard all of this and it didn't matter to you in the slightest. You'll twist his record to try to cover up the stink, call me names, then march on to troll the next thread.

I only answered because you asked why I had a personal problem with Perry. Now you know why. His decisions had the potential to affect, or did directly affect, my life. I see that man as a direct threat to my family's welfare. He has poor decision-making abilities and he does NOT have a foundation firmly rooted in conservative ideals.

IMHO, Cain does.

72 posted on 10/11/2011 9:39:20 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: jakerobins; All

ARG isn’t that accurate, but it does display a trend, I suppose. I will not be disappointed if Cain wins....but if Romney wins because we’ve been divided so heavily among the conservative candidates....then I’ll be incredibly angry at the conservative establishment for following the media by it’s hand.

Romney should have been the target at day one...yet we’ve barely seen him attacked, even by fellow ‘conservatives’ running for office.


73 posted on 10/11/2011 9:39:57 AM PDT by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: Marie

Wow! Lot’s of typos in that one! :-\


74 posted on 10/11/2011 9:42:17 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: jakerobins
Just mentioned on Foxnews, and they are trying to confirm, that NBC is reporting that Romney aides visited the White House during the health care debate to advise Bowbama. Again, Foxnews is efforting a confirmation of the NBC story.
75 posted on 10/11/2011 9:44:21 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Marie
Well I apologize to you, Marie. That's quite a heavy burden and I am sorry for what you've had to go through.

I would ask if everything is Perry's fault? Unlikely. But I can understand why you feel the way you do. I am very sorry that I was rude to you.

76 posted on 10/11/2011 9:46:11 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: Bushbacker1

Rush just confirmed this also.

So, why, why, why is Cain for Romney over Perry?

This is why little doubts about Cain creep in for me.


77 posted on 10/11/2011 9:46:40 AM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Netizen

See my post #72


78 posted on 10/11/2011 9:48:12 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Marie

If it makes you feel any better, my wife is a Cain supporter. lol


79 posted on 10/11/2011 9:48:42 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: jakerobins

Herman is going to need more money according to what all the experts are saying. Support a true conservative! Herman is that man!


80 posted on 10/11/2011 9:50:03 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: mikhailovich

Apology accepted.

The biggest thing that upset me was the Gardasil situation. The one comfort was that we had the homeschool option. It still would’ve made college difficult, but it would’ve bought us some time.

That’s why I get so upset that the Perry supporters keep saying that there was an opt-out for medical reasons. There is now, but there sure wasn’t then. The revisionist history is infuriating.


81 posted on 10/11/2011 9:52:00 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: Netizen; All

Cain’s biggest issue will be 999, which sounds good, but the issue is already starting as CNN displays an article asking if his plan will harm the poor.

He will need to develop a strong PR strategy to combat this claim from the left, though he has done a good job with that in the past so I’m not too worried.

I really like Cain and wish him well here. We need him to go all the way.


82 posted on 10/11/2011 9:58:22 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: A Navy Vet

If Cain wins the nomination - and I hope he does - my guess is that he’ll choose a more experienced establishment-type to round out the ticket.

I wouldn’t mind Newt filling the role just for the privilege of hearing him lay into Obama, Biden, and the media on the campaign trail. For all his flaws, the man is an outstanding communicator.


83 posted on 10/11/2011 9:59:47 AM PDT by Cato in PA
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To: Cato in PA

I agree. Cain/Newt would be a good one.


84 posted on 10/11/2011 10:01:48 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: mikhailovich
If it makes you feel any better, my wife is a Cain supporter. lol

You are fortunate to be married to such a wise woman! ;-)

85 posted on 10/11/2011 10:09:11 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: stylecouncilor

21 JAN is it?


86 posted on 10/11/2011 10:09:28 AM PDT by onedoug (CAIN)
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To: Marie

“I have never seen a group lock together so angrily and nastily.”

I certainly have.


87 posted on 10/11/2011 10:12:15 AM PDT by Magic Fingers
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To: Marie

I was for Perry early on because he seemed more electable, but as his campaign implosions continue, that frankly is in doubt.

I have been a Herman Cain fan for around a decade and am in his camp now. I have been amazed with the conspiracy stuff as well.

I really don’t buy “conspiracy” campaign organizations at all. Why would someone run for president just to help someone win. It makes no sense at all.


88 posted on 10/11/2011 10:12:45 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: jakerobins

HERMAN CAIN IN 2012 FOR A STRONG AND RESTORED AMERICA

MY LETTER TO HERMAN CAIN ON THE ISSUES

89 posted on 10/11/2011 10:20:46 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: mikhailovich
Oh my goodness. You just basically said you want Romney to be the nominee and Cain to be his V.P., in as many words.

'IF'

Such a small word. Yet, you still lack sufficient mental capacity to process it. How sad.

90 posted on 10/11/2011 10:23:07 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (Things are so bad now, Kenyans are saying Obama was born in the USA.)
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To: Marie

Lol. Point taken.


91 posted on 10/11/2011 10:24:29 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: rwfromkansas

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/09/cain-poor-wont-pay-more-under-9-9-9/


92 posted on 10/11/2011 10:28:08 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Cato in PA

Yep, I’m ok with Cain/Newt too


93 posted on 10/11/2011 10:29:59 AM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: jakerobins

So Cain grabbed Palin’s people? - No surprise.


94 posted on 10/11/2011 10:39:07 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: mikhailovich

Typical Ricardo supporter.

Don’t care that he is a big government RINO that wants total open borders with a mega super highway to knife the country in half, and supports poisoning children with vaccines.

Perry is a Dem masquerading as a Republican.


95 posted on 10/11/2011 10:49:34 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: AdamBomb

Picking the ultra socialist Grinchrich would destroy Cain’s chances in the general election. He won’t do that.

Nobody picks bottom end losers as their VP anyway.


97 posted on 10/11/2011 10:53:05 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: ASA Vet

Is that his wife?????

Awwwwwwwww... she looks so sweet!

And I saw a TV news report that co-workers at her office said she was one of the nicest people they ever met.


98 posted on 10/11/2011 10:55:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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To: Tennessee Nana

So you want Nancy’s BF to be Cain’s VP?

Goofy!

Noot has been a Lead Lifejacket to the party all of his career.


99 posted on 10/11/2011 10:57:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: Marie
"I would also like to point out that many FReepers thought that Romney was the lesser of two evils compared to McCain."

That actually is true... God what a pathetic field we had last time>

And now the morons at GOP headquarters want us to pick the loser who lost to the loser who lost to Obama.

I am donating to CAIN

100 posted on 10/11/2011 10:58:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (Sarah you broke my heart~!! Endorse Cain and all is forgiven)
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