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Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal
New York Times ^ | 8 November 2011 | Mark Viera & Pete Thamel

Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

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KEYWORDS: collegefootball; paterno; pedstate; psu; retirement; sandusky
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To: 4yearlurker

Re: “Paterno knew this vile scumbag was raping boys in the shower and did nothing.”

For Paterno to “know” this, under what the law defines as admissible evidence in court, he would have had to see it himself. If it happened, the only person who knew about it (as defined by law) and whose testimony to that effect would have been accepted by a court was McQueary. Paterno knew only that McQueary said it happened, i.e. hearsay evidence.

I once acted on a credible-sounding allegation from a very prominent pro-life Web site that an identifiable doctor and hospital left a baby (as defined by law, not the pro-life camp) to die. I sent a copy of the Web page to the state’s hospital regulatory agency, which investigated and found the accusation to be false. The pro-life site was lucky to not be sued for libel (along with the actual source of the allegation) by the doctor and hospital they named. The site also lost my trust because the owner never responded to my E-mail to the effect that the accusation was found to be false.

This is something one must consider before one goes beyond what one is supposed to do according to the law and/or organizational policy, which Paterno did. There is an ideal point between complicity through total silence, and engaging in what might turn out to be libel, slander, or the moral equivalent of a lynching—anybody remember the Durham Dirtbag and the Duke 88 who jumped on Mike Nifong’s bandwagon?


201 posted on 11/08/2011 4:52:38 PM PST by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
As much as I hate Ohio State, in my older age I have gained more respect for ole’ Woody. I read War As They Knew it and it was an eye opener.

There will never be as good of a coaching rivalry again as there was between Woody and Bo.

202 posted on 11/08/2011 4:54:34 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Winged Hussar
Re: “Paterno knew this vile scumbag was raping boys in the shower and did nothing.”

Paterno knew only that McQueary said it happened, i.e. hearsay evidence.


203 posted on 11/08/2011 4:57:53 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
Why would the VP of Finance be involved in discussions concerning a report of a sex with a minor?

Duh. Curley reports to him.

So, in other words, Curley just 'reported it to his superior' the way Joe Paterno did? Then why is everyone upset with Curley?

Obviously, I'm being sarcastic. Curley didn't call the police (wait - strike that, Joe Paterno, didn't, either).

I was being sarcastic about being sarcastic. Curley committed perjury. Although I am puzzled by the fact that he was charged with not reporting the abuse. Because he did report the abuse . . . to his supervisor, if Curley does report to Schultz.

But is anyone beginning to see why it's hard to give Joe Paterno a pass on this? Particularly when prosecutors are being so careful not to release anything regarding McQueary's statements about what he claimed to have told Joe Paterno. That one piece is missing from the GJ presentment and the GJ report. With respect to every other conversation, we know what a party claims to have said, and what the other party (or parties) claims to have been told. Paterno says he wasn't told the damning details . . . but we never hear what McQueary claims to have told Joe Paterno.

204 posted on 11/08/2011 4:58:34 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Ramcat
Free of charge. You're welcome.
205 posted on 11/08/2011 4:58:40 PM PST by Shqipo (I am AttackWatch parolee #1,237. I am breaking my parole once more.)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, I agree with you. Before I posted anything earlier today, I read as much as time allowed on both side of the issue at hand.

It seems to boil down to money and glory IMO. But that said I have no idea why they thought they could cover this up forever.

The president of the U. needs to resign now. Paterno needs to resign now. The entire coaching staff needs to resign now and seek life elsewhere. I feel sorry for the football players and the students, but it must be set right. If the NCAA has any stones they will deal with the football program as strongly as they are allowed to do. The board of regents or directors, whatever they call it there needs to man up and bring the hammer down and soon.

Additionally, I have to say that the silence speaks for itself. It’s a CF and it’s not going to get any better until someone steps up and takes action.


206 posted on 11/08/2011 4:58:57 PM PST by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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To: Winged Hussar
This is something one must consider before one goes beyond what one is supposed to do according to the law and/or organizational policy, which Paterno did.

Paterno knew that this had to be reported to the proper authorities. Paterno knew it had not been reported. McQueary knew it had not been reported. They knowingly looked the other way while PSU officials broke PA law. OTOH, McQueary got his coaching job and Joe went on the set the record for most NCAA football victories so all was good in Happy Valley.

207 posted on 11/08/2011 5:00:46 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Scoutmaster
Although I am puzzled by the fact that he was charged with not reporting the abuse.

Because as an officer of the school he was required by law to report it withing a certain time frame. As an officer he can't get off the hook by passing it up the chain.

208 posted on 11/08/2011 5:03:14 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Winged Hussar
Winged?

In most cases involving molestation of a child, you're required to report it when you have a credible claim. Hearsay doesn't matter.

Also, Pennsylvania State law requires that if you don't report it yourself (in a school setting), that you inform your supervisor and that the President or head of the school or institution report (I can give you the site to the specific statute; it's in the GJ presentment). So Pennsylvania state law doesn't just permit hearsay disclosures of child molestation, it requires them in school settings.

Finally, if Joe couldn't report it, how could his supervisor? It would be hearsay for his supervisor. If his supervisor heard it from Joe, it would be double hearsay.

And if you're concerned about "credible-sounding' allegations, (a) err on the side of reporting, in the case of child sexual abuse, and (b) Paterno already knew that Sandusky had been showering with little boys and had been investigated back in 1998 for multiple incidents. Seems as if this claim would have been . . . credible.

209 posted on 11/08/2011 5:04:44 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Scoutmaster

A great man knows when an idol is no longer worthy. I want to commend you for your comments and logic based discourse on the situation. I know this is a mournful time for you in seeing the debasement of a man whom you believed was great. My compliments again, and well written.


210 posted on 11/08/2011 5:07:15 PM PST by Luke21
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To: NewinTexsas

Convenient how this all hit the fan AFTER the record was broken. Who held up the story?


211 posted on 11/08/2011 5:08:00 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: Scoutmaster
but we never hear what McQueary claims to have told Joe Paterno.

I am sure that they have it in testimony but Joe is not part of the indictment and what McQueary told Joe is irrlevant to this case prosecution of Sandusky, Curley and Schultz.

212 posted on 11/08/2011 5:09:47 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: AGreatPer
Convenient how this all hit the fan AFTER the record was broken. Who held up the story?

The story has been out for months. The question is who held up the indictments which made it news.

213 posted on 11/08/2011 5:11:21 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
Because as an officer of the school he was required by law to report it withing a certain time frame. As an officer he can't get off the hook by passing it up the chain.

23 Pa. Con. Stat. Section 6311(c), regarding staff members of institutions:

Whenever a person is required to report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or agency.

Nope. Don't see anything saying that officers of a school are required to report it. "Person in charge" or "designated agent". If there's a case that makes the term "person in charge" applicable to all officers of a school, then please let me know. The Grand Jury Presentment says that the president or head of a school has the duty to report.

214 posted on 11/08/2011 5:13:03 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: NewinTexsas
I am sure that they have it in testimony but Joe is not part of the indictment and what McQueary told Joe is irrlevant to this case prosecution of Sandusky, Curley and Schultz.

What McQueary told his father is also irrelevant to the prosecution of Sandusky, Curley and Schultz, yet we are told that specifically.

As I said, we are told about every conversation from every point of view, except what McQueary said that he told Paterno. It's not necessary to prosecute Sandusky, Curley and Schultz. It is necessary if you want to protect Paterno's image. And it's the one thing that's missing. I read a document twice. Once for what's in it, and once for what it's missing. Of the entire chain of links of all conversations, just that one link is missing.

And we're told plenty that isn't necessary for the prosecution. Sometimes what you're not told is . . . telling.

215 posted on 11/08/2011 5:17:22 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Scoutmaster
Sometimes what you're not told is . . . telling.

I told you what it told me. Now please tell us what it is telling you.

216 posted on 11/08/2011 5:24:26 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Scoutmaster
What McQueary told his father is also irrelevant to the prosecution of Sandusky, Curley and Schultz, yet we are told that specifically.

Where do yousee that. I only see that McQueary told his father what he had seen, his father told him to tell Joe what he had seen and that McQueary told Joe what he had seen.

217 posted on 11/08/2011 5:28:21 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Luke21
A great man knows when an idol is no longer worthy. I want to commend you for your comments and logic based discourse on the situation. I know this is a mournful time for you in seeing the debasement of a man whom you believed was great. My compliments again, and well written.

I hate to accept compliments in this situation, and I'm afraid that my replies have gotten snippy. I don't understand how people can read this and not understand JoePa's role.

In my profession, I have to read documents like this twice. Once, for what's in them. Once, for what is missing from them.

It's like putting together a large jigsaw puzzle. In the beginning, you look at pieces and match them based on what you see. Later, you look at the puzzle and see the missing spots and find pieces to fit those missing spots.

I was bothered when I read the presentment and, later, the report. I was sickened when I re-read them for what was missing.

That's when I realized that every conversation from the moment McQueary called his dad through McQueary's multiple meetings with Curley and Schultz were documented. With respect to one meeting, the report states what McQueary says he said, and what Curley says he was told, and what Shultz says he was told. It report all three viewpoints of the conversation.

In fact, following four men - McQueary, Paterno, Curley, and Schultz (and later, the Penn State president), the presentment and report detail each link in the chain of conversations from both sides.

Except one time.

The presentment and report are carefully written so that the topic of what McQueary told the investigators that he told Paterno is missing. It's the hole in the completed jigsaw puzzle. We know what Paterno says he was told (none of the details). If McQueary said that he told Paterno details, it would be even more devastating that what we know. And both documents carefully come to that hole and walk around it.

218 posted on 11/08/2011 5:29:21 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Scoutmaster
The board of directors are coming in tomorrow (some tonight). No informal meeting but that is when things really get done.
On Thursday there is a formal meeting and Governor Corbett will be there.
219 posted on 11/08/2011 5:30:17 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: NewinTexsas
I told you what it told me. Now please tell us what it is telling you.

It tells me that McQueary said that he told Paterno that Sandusky was raping the kid. That McQueary said more he told Paterno more than he saw 'fondling' and maybe something inappropriate of a sexual nature.

And that Paterno had creditable reason to know something worse happened than 'fondling.' And still, he just reported it to Curley. And when nothing happened to Sandusky and Sandusky was still around with little boys, Paterno did nothing.

That's that it tells me.

If it doesn't tell you that, then I'm glad you still have more respect for Joe Paterno than I do. You're somewhere closer to where I was on Sunday, when JoePa was the only coach I respected in NCAA football.

220 posted on 11/08/2011 5:34:25 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: AGreatPer
The board of directors are coming in tomorrow (some tonight). No informal meeting but that is when things really get done.

Thanks. I'm signing off. I feel as if I found out yesterday that there is no Santa Claus. No. That's light-hearted. I feel much worse than that. I feel betrayed by what I thought was the one decent thing, the one decent man, in college football. When I lived in Seattle in the 1970s, I had white football helmet for backyard football. I used black electrical tape to put a stripe on it so it would look like Penn State. In Seattle. My parents never went to college and I had no ties to Pennsylvania.

221 posted on 11/08/2011 5:40:24 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Scoutmaster
If it doesn't tell you that, then I'm glad you still have more respect for Joe Paterno than I do. You're somewhere closer to where I was on Sunday, when JoePa was the only coach I respected in NCAA football.

I don't understand that part of your post at all since I have posted many times here (and also to you, I think) that Joe knew everything and was getting a pass from the DA at this time because he had agreed to testify against Curley and Schultz. The only way his testimony is any good is if he was a party to conversations in which either he told them or heard McQueary tell them the actual details.

222 posted on 11/08/2011 5:43:40 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7

I think the problem here is that you think Paterno actually has divine powers. If Paterno demanded of Curley and Spainer that Sandusky be banned after he got his retirement package, they would have put their arms around his shoulders and explained why they couldn’t do that.”

Sure they would have. And the minute anyone found out about it, and someone would have, what would they have done then? I think you are the one who thinks Joe is divine and above the standards that are to be used in dealing with the rest of us mere mortals.


223 posted on 11/08/2011 5:49:24 PM PST by BizBroker (Democrats- Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em, Can't use 'em, Couldn't afford 'em if I did!)
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To: Ramcat

I was accusing Joe of COVERING IT UP. Not of actually committing the act. Get real yourself. I actually used to respect Joe Paterno. No more.

Coming from a Pedo State lackey, Buckeyes will take your derision with less than the grain of salt that it deserves.


224 posted on 11/08/2011 5:53:35 PM PST by BizBroker (Democrats- Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em, Can't use 'em, Couldn't afford 'em if I did!)
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To: QT3.14

It seems this gets deeper and worse. I take it you think he was taken out.


225 posted on 11/08/2011 5:55:52 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: QT3.14

It seems this gets deeper and worse. I take it you think he was taken out.


226 posted on 11/08/2011 5:56:05 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Scoutmaster
Neither Schultz nor Curley (nor Paterno nor McQueary) ever reported the 2002 incident to the University Police or any law enforcement or child protective agency.

McQueary was the one who should have called the cops since he was the one who saw it. With Paterno, it became whisper down the lane and he reported it to the people to whom he was supposed to, and I imagine who thought would do the right thing.

BTW, if you look at the Grand Jury Report you'll notice that another incident of child sex abuse by Sandusky was observed by a janitor, who couldn't bring himself to make a report. Maybe if we try real hard we'll find a way to blame Paterno for that.

228 posted on 11/08/2011 7:42:44 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: NewinTexsas
So you're saying that Paterno saw Sandusky take these kids to the showers? Why do you think that? . . .Because it was common knowledge that Sandusky frequently brought little boys into Joe's locker room. At some time, Joe must have seen Sandusky.

You make a lot of assumptions. While Sandusky may have brought kids into the facilities as part of Second Mile -- i.e. when there were a lot of people around -- the kids were brought to the showers when Sandusky thought there was nobody around.

It's in the Grand Jury report.

229 posted on 11/08/2011 7:49:34 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
While Sandusky may have brought kids into the facilities
230 posted on 11/08/2011 7:54:22 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7

I would expect that over the course of decades that Joe had direct knowledge of Sandusky bringing kids into the locker room.


231 posted on 11/08/2011 7:55:59 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

the kids were brought to the showers when Sandusky thought there was nobody around.


232 posted on 11/08/2011 7:57:01 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Winged Hussar

the problem with your analogy is that you can’t compare your “website” to Paterno’s source.

McQueary is an ex-psu quarterback. He was the GA at the time.
If JoePa thought him to be a questionable source, I’m not sure why he would still be on the sidelines today.


233 posted on 11/08/2011 8:40:39 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Tribune7

that part of the presentment describes Sandusky driving by the building slowly until 3:00 am.

Why were they so afraid of him?
Why was McQueary so afraid? the janitors?

I’m wondering - how did anyone come to know about this night the janitors describe if they didn’t report it?


234 posted on 11/08/2011 8:54:32 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: bjorn14

Question:

Which came first, being gay, or being a pedophile.

Most people think these are two different things, but they are now more different than an hetero prefering young women.

How does that expression go again?

Grass on the infield, play ball!

Sorry to be so crass, but what irks me is the idea of outrage toward this man Sandusky. This is normative behavior, after all, being gay. That he’s attracted to ten year olds, well that’s a matter for his therapist, but the gay part is A-OK in everybody’s book in the new millenium.

That a 10 year old was in proximity to a shower on campus is a matter for parents I would guess.

To quote Woody Allen, “The heart wants what it does.”

Don’t know what Paterno was thinking. I don’t think we know everything at this point.


235 posted on 11/08/2011 9:08:02 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: redgolum

Hard to say. On the one hand his bro killed himself. On the other the DA was considered strange. But after the 2002 incident was there something around 2005 that came to light?


236 posted on 11/08/2011 10:12:05 PM PST by QT3.14 (Trapped on Leftopia's west coast amongst defective cyborg Leftoids)
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To: BizBroker
I was accusing Joe of COVERING IT UP. Not of actually committing the act. Get real yourself. I actually used to respect Joe Paterno. No more.

Sorry: I read your post again and now understand what you were trying to say.

You can now return to the mob and burn Joe at the stake before hearing what he has to say.

PS: Tressel (sp?)is still a good man, a great coach and he deserved better.

237 posted on 11/09/2011 5:12:41 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: keat

Of course not, practically everyone knows he runs the show, however, as I said he covered his butt legally, by reporting it to his technical supervisor, but didn’t follow up and did not call the cops. He covered himself legally, but didn’t do remotely the right thing.

I suspect we are going to find out that this coaches “retirement” in 1999 was because it was common knowledge this guy was doing this, and rather than reporting it pushed him out... Also, I fear that the local police up in happy valley probably were complicite in the cover up as well. That’s speculation at this point, but I’d say its better than even odds.


238 posted on 11/09/2011 7:09:32 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

Exactly, did Joe report it to the police, knowing they wouldn’t do anything about it, but legally keeping Joe clean?

It’s really starting to smell, like PSU under Paterno was run like a mafia family....and that Sandusky was just one of many things not kosher with the program. It’s inconceivable (yes, I’m using that word), that somebody who witnesses something so horrid, wouldn’t do everything in their power to make it stop.


239 posted on 11/09/2011 7:13:12 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Scotswife
I’m wondering - how did anyone come to know about this night the janitors describe if they didn’t report it?

I guessing that this came to light when police started questioning staff about other cases.

I think what we are seeing is a decline in character in this country.

240 posted on 11/09/2011 7:17:08 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
the kids were brought to the showers when Sandusky thought there was nobody around.

The locker room custodial staff all knew about it but were afraid to say anything about it for fear of losing their jobs. Why?

241 posted on 11/09/2011 7:18:43 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Conservative_Rob

Third hand? Sorry, but he got a first hand report from a witness to the event. He did the minimal to cover his ass and walked away.

You have someone come to you and tell you he saw someone having sex with a child, what are you going to do? Just tell your boss and walk away? or are you going to call the cops, or at the very least advise the witness to call the cops?

Joe Pa is no dummy, he knew exactly what he was doing.. he was protecting a friend, pure and simple, and that friend went on molesting for another 9 years.

There is no moral defense for Joe or his actions, and you can claim its a press lynching all you want, but its not. You do the right thing, this is a guy who claims his program is all about integrity, but he clearly showed none in his handling of this.

Penn State is done if Joe Pa isn’t gone and gone quickly.. No alumni or endowment is going to send money that way as long as he is still there.

I suspect highly that Penn State knew long before 2002, and Sandusky’s retirement in 1999 was a direct result of folks knowing and covering it up then. Now, THAT IS admittedly conjecture, but given how much of an “open secret” this guys behavior has turned out to be since this broke, I have a hard time believing 2002 was when it first started to come to light.


242 posted on 11/09/2011 7:19:15 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Tribune7

I really hope I am wrong about this....but I believe when all is said and done, we are going to find out that JoePa wasn’t the man, everybody thought he was.


243 posted on 11/09/2011 7:20:05 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: NewinTexsas

It has been reported they were threatened with job loss if they squealed.

Joe Pa is trying to defend himself with I did the legal thing, which it appears he did.. but he didn’t do the right thing, and that’s why he’s done.

Sadly I suspect the more digging that goes on, we are going to find out he knew about Sandusky long before 02.. and that him “retiring” in 1999 from the program was likely a result of the fact folks knew what he was doing.

Conjecture at this point, but sadly I suspect that will likely come out.


244 posted on 11/09/2011 7:22:31 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
I suspect highly that Penn State knew long before 2002

The university police investigated the report in 1998. University attorneys reviewed the report against Sandusky in 1998.

245 posted on 11/09/2011 7:23:26 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
Joe has just announced he will retire at the end of this season.

The board of directors is canning their current president.
Tom Ridge is being considered to be the new head of the board.

246 posted on 11/09/2011 7:39:35 AM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: AGreatPer

I have to wonder. Was there a ‘special’ relationship between Sandusky and Spanier?


247 posted on 11/09/2011 8:06:59 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: AGreatPer
Tom Ridge is being considered to be the new head of the board. Ridge is being considered as a replacement for Spanier, PSU president. As PSU president, he would also be a member of the board.
248 posted on 11/09/2011 8:09:10 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
The locker room custodial staff all knew about it but were afraid to say anything about it for fear of losing their jobs. Why?

You're thinking that JoePa hires the janitorial staff?

249 posted on 11/09/2011 8:25:16 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7

Give it a rest. PSU was a corrupt institution. They are now cleaning house and everyone from Paterno up to the President are on their way out. More and more will come out.


250 posted on 11/09/2011 8:27:23 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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