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(Anti-Israel) Ron Paul: Blame Israel First
FrontPageMag ^ | 13 Dec 11 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 12/14/2011 6:39:27 AM PST by xzins

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To: Alamo-Girl; LIBERTARIAN JOE; P-Marlowe; Quix
Amazing post, sister. Thank you for your insight.

The Lord, as The Apostle Paul clearly specifies, has not cast off Israel.

41 posted on 12/14/2011 10:18:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
Occasionally Paul switches gears and points out that a cutoff in foreign aid would be good for Israel. That may well be the case. I believe that and so do quite a few people who support Israel.

Greenfield endorses Ron Paul's proposed Israeli aid cutoff?

42 posted on 12/14/2011 10:27:05 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Apparently he has no problem with discussing foreign aid. This article was his effort to clarify that Ron Paul is anti-Israel, and that opposing foreign aid isn’t what makes Paul anti-Israel.


43 posted on 12/14/2011 10:30:22 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
xzins,

I get that the article you shown above makes the allegation that Paul is anti-Israel. However it doesn't really sync up with the interview on newmax with him, straight from the horses mouth. I personally really would like to stop giving Israels enemies my tax dollars and weapons as Paul suggests we should in his interview. I also don't like it when every president makes a show of trying to make peace in the middle east by demanding Israel do this or that or modify thier boarders. Which is what he is saying when he says we shouldn't try to be thier masters...

44 posted on 12/14/2011 10:32:51 AM PST by CJ Wolf (OMG - Obama Must Go!)
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To: CJ Wolf

CJ, I did read the article, but, the same as with Romney, Paul’s past contradicts everything he’s saying in Newsmax.

I’ll ping you to a new thread that deals with more of Paul’s anti-semitism.


45 posted on 12/14/2011 10:41:14 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks xzins.
Ron Paul supporters will clamor that... the Ron Paul Survival Report... was... written for years by some mysterious stranger pretending to be Ron Paul. This unknown stranger discussed his time in Congress, his medical career and his wife Carol all in the first person. That the media actually bought this ridiculous explanation, even while actual Republicans were lynched for much less than writing in support of David Duke, should tell you all you need to know about Paul's cheerleaders in the mainstream media... In an interview with Iranian television, Ron Paul complained that the president had not said anything to Israel about its horrible massacre, compared Gaza to a concentration camp, and made it rather clear that he sympathized with the terrorists. It wasn't some unknown mysterious stranger signing Paul's name to hateful screeds. It was the man himself doing an interview with the agents of a murderous regime responsible for the murders of numerous Americans.What about the following statement in the House of Representatives? "Bin Laden’s claims are straightforward. The U.S. defiles Islam with military bases on holy land in Saudi Arabia, its initiation of war against Iraq, with 12 years of persistent bombing, and its dollars and weapons being used against the Palestinians as the Palestinian territory shrinks and Israel's occupation expands. There will be no peace in the world for the next 50 years or longer if we refuse to believe why those who are attacking us do it." Ron Paul isn’t calling for impartiality or agitating for non-interventionism because he supports Jewish self-reliance, but because he believes that Israel is the source of our problems.

46 posted on 12/14/2011 11:04:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: LIBERTARIAN JOE
Even a newtard should know that when you bring up hitler, you're signaling intellectual defeat.

Except when it is true. Only those whose view of history is limited to pop culture hold to the notion that any mention of Adolf Hitler or anti-Semitism is forbidden.

Only an idiot would think that history does not repeat itself, or that people do not tread the same tired paths.
47 posted on 12/14/2011 11:15:17 AM PST by Tzfat
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To: xzins

As much of a whack job that Ron Paul is you certainly have to admit that with him he lays it all out on the table for all to see.


48 posted on 12/14/2011 11:27:58 AM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: runninglips
Pat Buchanans thesis was that our interfering in WW I was undue interference, and was the direct cause of WW II. That point is inarguable.

On the contrary, the point is very arguable.

Germany's neighbors punished and humiliated that country with the harsh conditions set forth in the Treaty of Versailles. THAT, is what set Europe on the path to WWII, not America's participation in the First World War.

Hitler didn't declare war on the United States until after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. He'd already been making war against his European neighbors for years, at that point.

Funny how the Blame America Firsters always twist history to make America the bad guy.

49 posted on 12/14/2011 11:39:58 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: runninglips
Foreign aid should be given to NO NATION

That's fair. All of that money sshould be brought home.

50 posted on 12/14/2011 11:40:08 AM PST by DNA.2012
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To: xzins

Thank you oh so very much for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!


51 posted on 12/14/2011 11:50:27 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Windflier
America is not the "bad guy". America in the past has pursued policies that lead directly into the path of Unintended Consequences. If America had stayed out of the first world war, and that includes shipping weapons to one side, and not another, what would the result have been? The obvious answer is, a longer conflict. This longer conflict, would have ended in a NEGOTIATED TREATY, like all wars in the past have been. The US, buy entering the war on one side, destroying the capabilities and will to fight on the other side, put France, Britain and their allies in the position of IMPOSING A TREATY. That is a big difference, the winners did not have to give an inch, because of the actions of America. We went home by and large, and the result is known to us all.

A little known factoid from history, America was carrying on a undeclared military action against the Japanese, before Pearl Harbor. We outfitted, and supplied planes, pilots and other personnel, to the Chinese. Our men actually bombed sovereign Japanese territory, flying planes with Chinese insignias, but make no mistake, they were American servicemen. The Flying Tigers, were war criminals, but since we won the war, and wrote the history, they are heroes. Chew on that a bit.

52 posted on 12/14/2011 1:24:30 PM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: Alamo-Girl
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

!ABSOLUTELY INDEED!

53 posted on 12/14/2011 1:37:59 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: svcw

No, the modern nation of Israel was founded by men, looking to redraw the map of the middle east. God has His hands in everything that happens between nations, but the United Nations is behind the formation of the modern nation. When YHVH brings the NATIONS back to his promised land, as promised, it will be by a mighty hand, not some tin pot dictator majority vote. That is neither here nor there. Israel is our friend, perhaps our only friend in this region. We owe them thanks, we owe them help, but we do not owe them the lives or the hard earned dollars of our people. If they are attacked, we should back them in any way shape or form they need. Until then, we need to let them fly or fall on their own.


54 posted on 12/14/2011 1:41:23 PM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: runninglips
America is not the "bad guy".

That's an odd disclaimer for someone who subsequently expends a thousand words, claiming just that.

55 posted on 12/14/2011 1:47:16 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: xzins; TitansAFC; onyx; Jim Robinson; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan; wmfights; ShadowAce; ...
I had not realized that Ron Paul was in the anti-Israel camp ...

Before you all jump to conclusions. He isn't.

Something didn't seem quite kosher (pardon the pun) about this article so I tracked back the first two links:

It’s the man who called Israel, “an aggressive, national socialist state”

...the solicitation letter which ...

I have downloaded a few of the pdfs' referenced in the second link and read them.(it's going slowly slow because I'm bandwidth challenged). It seems the New Republic has published a skewed anti-Paul article which in turn was used as unchallenged reference material by Daniel Greenfield.

Link and read for yourself.

Then read this interview carefully.

Remember Ron Paul does not do sound bites well, perhaps except for:"I define foreign aid as taking money from poor people in rich countries and giving it to rich people in poor countries."
56 posted on 12/14/2011 1:54:30 PM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Windflier

Is America mistake free? Do we sometimes do bad things, with the intent to do good? Answer that honestly, and you will most likely agree with my view of this greatest country of all. It is important to look back, learn from our mistakes, and do better. That was the intention of the book by Pat Buchanan...IMHO. That is also the position, that I would take and demand that our government, and citizens should also. No more, and no less.


57 posted on 12/14/2011 1:58:04 PM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: algernonpj

When Paul makes excuses for terrorists and their threats against Israel, when a majority of his supporters are rabid anti-Semitics, when he openly endorses (at sympathies with) OWS, disgusting anti-Semitics, there is no way to spin he is not anti-Israel and anti-Semitic.
http://spectator.org/blog/2011/11/23/the-anti-semitism-of-ron-paul
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1709613/pg1


58 posted on 12/14/2011 2:05:18 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: runninglips
Is America mistake free? Do we sometimes do bad things, with the intent to do good? Answer that honestly

I'd prefer to tell you and every other liberaltarian to KMA.



59 posted on 12/14/2011 2:05:42 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: runninglips

If they (Israel) is attacked we should back them.......interesting you say that and are a Paul supporter.


60 posted on 12/14/2011 2:08:50 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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