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Ron Paul gains ground, further stirring Republicans
Rooooters ^ | December 14, 2011 | Daniel Trotta

Posted on 12/14/2011 9:42:52 PM PST by upchuck

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul declared on Wednesday his campaign was "peaking at the right time" as polls show him closing in on the two perceived front-runners.

The libertarian congressman from Texas with a passionate core of followers complained that pundits were dismissing his longshot campaign prematurely and sounded optimistic about catching former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney and former House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich.

All three and others are seeking to represent the Republicans and unseat Democratic President Barack Obama next November. The first of a series of Republican nominating contests is set for January 3 in Iowa.

"The momentum is building up and a lot of the candidates so far would come and go. They would shoot to the top and drop back rapidly. Ours has been very steady growth, then in this last week or two there has been a sudden extra growth," Paul told reporters after meeting voters in Amherst, New Hampshire.

Public Policy Polling released a survey on Tuesday showing him one percentage point behind Gingrich for the lead in Iowa.

Paul took 21 percent in the survey compared to 22 percent for Gingrich with Romney third at 16 percent.

Let's stop right here...

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


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To: Grunthor

Maybe just maybe if there was someone other than Paul who wants to CUT spending by ONE TRILLION the First Year, other Repubs would get more votes. But instead, we have the Ryan Plan that adds Trillions to our debt.

.....and why continue to give billions to our enemies the moslums and to Israel our ally which has over 100 nukes? Let Israel go and do what they have to do. As long as we keep giving them money we will continue to hold them back. Cut the money Cut the leash and let the Israeli Pit Bull take care of the problem.

Instead we have no Repub willing to seriously cut spending and balance the budget and yet Repubs want to continue proping up islamic countries that hate and will continue to teach their children to hate US, especially since they mandate in their constitutions “ No Law Shall Contradict Islam”.

Man did anyone see the election results in Egypt. 60 percent support Islamic Extremist. ........Just let Israel take care of em before its too late. Cut the leash.

How come for Miss America we get 50 choices but for this we get half a dozen?


21 posted on 12/15/2011 1:08:08 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: upchuck

We can only hope he is abducted by Aliens, again, prior to the election.


22 posted on 12/15/2011 2:43:20 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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To: OmegaMan
...supporting Kelo

Huh? Who told you that?

23 posted on 12/15/2011 6:30:03 AM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: napscoordinator

I agree w your post. But why have so many FReepers dumped on Bacmann and Santorum? I think even freepers are vulnerable to the MSM propadanda and have ditched them because of it. They can flame me if they want to, I don’t mind.


24 posted on 12/15/2011 10:14:45 AM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: GunRunner

He did.

“If anything, the Supreme Court should have refused to hear the Kelo case on the grounds that the 5th amendment does not apply to states. If constitutional purists hope to maintain credibility, we must reject the phony incorporation doctrine in all cases...”

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul259.html

Paul doesn’t believe in “incorporation of the Bill of Rights”. Anytime SCOTUS enforces the BORs on the states, he opposes that.

Its something almost nobody knows about him.


25 posted on 12/15/2011 4:03:33 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan
I can't believe that you read that article and came away with the impression that he "supported Kelo".

He calls the city's actions "tyranny."

26 posted on 12/15/2011 5:25:14 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: napscoordinator
I can see Bachman stealthing into the lead by people who don't get polled
and are to busy to hang with the media. Newt would be my very last vote.
27 posted on 12/15/2011 5:29:41 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: GunRunner

Paul doesn’t believe in incorporation of the Bill of Rights, he doesn’t think the Federal BORs should apply to the states. So therefore he agrees with the Kelo decision... the same position the liberals on the court took, just for a different reason.

That he called it tyranny is irrelevant. He would say thats up to a state court and the state itself to decide, the supreme court shouldn’t have anything do with it.


28 posted on 12/15/2011 9:33:37 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan

The civil rights act!

Discrimination for government is unconstitutional, discrimination for an individual is immoral, but is not unconstitutional.

The civil rights act should only have applied to the government, period!

Discrimination by individuals should be handled by public and cultural pressure.


29 posted on 12/15/2011 9:44:22 PM PST by qman (If you are prepared you can't be surprised.)
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To: qman

Bad Grammar, sorry!

The civil rights act!

Discrimination by government is unconstitutional, discrimination by an individual is immoral, but is not unconstitutional.

The civil rights act should only have applied to the government, period!

Discrimination by individuals should be handled by public and cultural pressure.


30 posted on 12/15/2011 9:45:30 PM PST by qman (If you are prepared you can't be surprised.)
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To: qman

I don’t disagree with that. I’m just saying it would hurt Paul politically if people knew it.

It doesn’t matter how rational your reasoning is, saying you’re for “whites only” businesses is political suicide. And that is the way it would be spun by the media.


31 posted on 12/15/2011 10:05:19 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan
And yet he is right.

The incorporation doctrine didn't exist during the time of the Founders. The incorporation doctrine didn't protect the citizens of New London, did it? Nor does it protect California gun owners against gun confiscation, or kids at a football game from being able to say a prayer without the local school board prohibiting them, or Barack Obama from making it legal to hold US citizens in Guantanamo without trial.

How exactly has your precious incorporation doctrine made the country better? You probably dutifully voted for Reagan and Bush, only to see two of their nominees side with tyranny in Kelo, so he is 100% right in saying that "the notion that the judicial branch of government serves as a watchdog to curb legislative and executive abuses has been entirely exposed as an illusion."

He is right to say that it's "phony", because it is. The incorporation doctrine replaced Constitutional Amendments with Court Decisions, and we've all suffered for it. It's easier to fight City Hall than it is to fight Washington, and now the Kelo decision is codified into Supreme Court precedent instead of being something that the local community could fix. Without question, it WOULD have been better if the Supreme Court had never taken the case. I thought that that would be obvious.

The incorporation doctrine depends on the good nature and wisdom of the judiciary to protect the freedoms of the people. That has been exposed as a farce, so Paul is right on all counts.

32 posted on 12/15/2011 10:08:52 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

I don’t want to debate the incorporation doctrine. I agree with it, there were Founders (Madison for one) that were for it at the Founding, but it took a civil war to implement it. Anyhow, that wasn’t my point, my point was that it would hurt Paul if people knew it, if not because of Kelo then because of McDonald v Chicago or any number of other cases. Theres no way he’d still have the amount of support he has if people knew he thought states should be able to ban guns or have whatever gun control laws they want. His campaign would be over.


33 posted on 12/15/2011 10:38:22 PM PST by OmegaMan
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To: OmegaMan
Madison probably wouldn't agree with how it functions today, which is why he wanted an Amendment that established incorporation. He probably would have vomited observing how judges use their subjective legal prejudices to use it as they see fit and write law on a whim. But whatever.

I don't know where you get the idea that "nobody knows" about Paul's opinion on the ineffectiveness of the doctrine. I don't know any Paul supporters who DON'T know about it, and yet he's poised to win Iowa.

I found it interesting that you said that "if people knew he thought states should be able to ban guns or have whatever gun control laws they want", considering that many states basically do that anyway with the incorporation doctrine already in place. It's ineffective, so he enjoys the virtue of being right.

34 posted on 12/15/2011 10:52:54 PM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner

They’ve only just now incorporated it, give it a chance. It already stopped Illinois from banning handguns.

Believe me, most of Paul’s supporters have no idea he believes that. I know, I talk to them on reddit on r/libertarian, most of them have no idea what Im talking about.


35 posted on 12/15/2011 11:03:57 PM PST by OmegaMan
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