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Gingrich’s Ballot Miss Could Shake Voters’ Confidence [Sabato: "It's A Disaster For Him"]
NY Times ^ | December 24, 2011 | KATHARINE Q. SEELYE

Posted on 12/24/2011 1:01:00 PM PST by Steelfish

Gingrich’s Ballot Miss Could Shake Voters’ Confidence

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE December 24, 2011

Newt Gingrich declared confidently the other day that he would get his name on the ballot for the Republican presidential primary in Virginia. In fact, he said he already had the requisite 10,000 signatures and an additional 2,000 to 3,000 for safety’s sake and would probably collect even more. Related

But that turned out not to be the case. In the wee hours of Saturday morning, the Virginia Republican Party announced via Twitter that Mr. Gingrich had failed to submit enough signatures by the Thursday deadline, highlighting the organizational challenges to his campaign and raising questions about his prospects in a drawn-out nominating fight.

Many of the Gingrich campaign’s signatures were apparently invalid, which is why most campaigns try to collect almost twice as many as needed. Gov. Rick Perry of Texas and Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota also failed to make the grade.

The Gingrich campaign said it would work with the Republican Party of Virginia to pursue a write-in campaign, but Virginia does not allow write-in names in its primaries.

“Voters deserve the right to vote for any top contender, especially leading candidates,” Michael Krull, Mr. Gingrich’s campaign director, said in a statement.

This misstep is bad news for Mr. Gingrich on several levels. Virginia is his adopted home state. Failing to gather enough signatures in your own backyard creates an image problem, at the very least.

“It’s a disaster for him,” said Larry J. Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia. “This sends yet another signal to Republicans that Gingrich is not able to organize.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 12/24/2011 1:01:05 PM PST by Steelfish
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Sabato can suck on a lemon and the NYT is behind the times: NOT accurate and not updated.


2 posted on 12/24/2011 1:04:13 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Steelfish

Sue the State.


3 posted on 12/24/2011 1:04:13 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Steelfish

Without question, a huge embarrassment for Gingrich and Perry.


4 posted on 12/24/2011 1:06:35 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: Logical me

What state do you want to sue?


5 posted on 12/24/2011 1:08:08 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: Steelfish

I don’t see how the RPV thinks we can have a primary with just Romney and Paul. Who is going to show up to cast a ballot?


6 posted on 12/24/2011 1:08:44 PM PST by freespirited
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To: Steelfish

It’s likely to make voters angry at the Romney/Rove establishment for robbing them.


7 posted on 12/24/2011 1:10:36 PM PST by pallis
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To: freespirited

Get out your plastic hair hats and tin foil hats we’re gonna have a party.....................that no one shows up for


8 posted on 12/24/2011 1:11:35 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Steelfish

Not a Gingrich fan, but these rules are idiotic. It’s just a stupid primary


9 posted on 12/24/2011 1:12:11 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Steelfish

It’s a disaster for the Republican party, for Virginia and for our constitutional republic. Now, it may be that Gingrich is not all that popular among the fat-assed RINO ruling class and kingmakers, but the national and Virginia polls prove that he’s very popular among the conservative base and the tea party. I’m hoping that enough people rise up against these corrupt shenanigans to get our LEADING Republican candidates on the ballot in all 57 states!!


10 posted on 12/24/2011 1:12:35 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Steelfish
They are enforcing they have never enforced in the past in order to exclude everybody except Myth.

This will turn into a public relations disaster for Myth.

11 posted on 12/24/2011 1:12:54 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: Steelfish
They are enforcing rules they have never enforced in the past in order to exclude everybody except Myth.

This will turn into a public relations disaster for Myth.

12 posted on 12/24/2011 1:12:56 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: pallis

No one was robbed.

As I understand it, all prospective candidates knew the Virginia rule and knew what they had to do.


13 posted on 12/24/2011 1:13:32 PM PST by trumandogz (If Rick Perry cannot secure his name on the Va. ballot, how could he be trusted to secure America?)
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To: Steelfish

The Virginia GOP in the bag for Rino Romney?


14 posted on 12/24/2011 1:13:58 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Steelfish

This whole thing doesn’t pass the smell test. In think in the end it will be a big embarrassment for Mitt Romney.


15 posted on 12/24/2011 1:14:29 PM PST by Essie
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To: freespirited
I don’t see how the RPV thinks we can have a primary with just Romney and Paul. Who is going to show up to cast a ballot?

The Paulistinians.

16 posted on 12/24/2011 1:14:48 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Steelfish

Gingrich can survive this.

The VA ballot issue hurts Perry, Santorum, Bachmann more...because they do not have many chances at winning in other states....Gingrich still can


17 posted on 12/24/2011 1:16:11 PM PST by RealImmigrant (National Security begins at the Border)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thanks, I’m wih you on this.


18 posted on 12/24/2011 1:16:23 PM PST by tirednvirginia ( A)
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To: Steelfish

I’ve just about given up on Gingrich. I’m not sure he’s that much more conservative than Romney, and he doesn’t seem much more electable than Bachmann or Ron Paul.


19 posted on 12/24/2011 1:20:07 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: trumandogz

seriously, go away.


20 posted on 12/24/2011 1:20:54 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Newt Gingrich 2012!)
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To: pallis
“It’s likely to make voters angry at the Romney/Rove establishment for robbing them.”

Who is robbing anyone? If they have a certain requirement to get on the ballot; then it is what it is. Is the process the same there as in years past?
If it is, and this is not a new requirement; the campaigns have amateurs working for them.

21 posted on 12/24/2011 1:21:07 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: trumandogz

Even bigger embarrassment for home-stater Rick Santorum.


22 posted on 12/24/2011 1:22:39 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Steelfish

Before we start weeping and wailing about what a dunce Newt is and how could this happen and how disorganized he is, what say we consider the source?

The NYT and RAT Sabato? Does anyone on FR believe they will give Newt the slightest break?


23 posted on 12/24/2011 1:22:58 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: Steelfish

I am not a fan of Gingrich or Perry. That being said, this snafu is no indication positive or negative for either of them.

If someone is trying to make ground off this, like seelye or Sabato is here, they’ve got an axe to grind.

With all the voter fraud that is being perpetrated these days, I am glad that the Republican party leadership in a state is playing hardball with regulations.

Folks, when I move, I notify the registrar of voters. I want my voting materials to be sent to the proper address. I’m not sure why anyone would skip this important step.

As for Gingrich or Perry, their teams evidently didn’t know these strict regulations would be enforced. I’m not inclined to ding either of them on this matter, for not getting the proper amount of valid signature.

I’m not inclined to trash the state leadership over it either.

Tightening up the rules is not a bad thing.

This primary has just become irrelevant. Nobody is going to win big off of this. A few delegates are not going to sway this nomination one way or the other.


24 posted on 12/24/2011 1:23:35 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Santorum..., are you giving it some thought? I knew you would.)
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To: RealImmigrant

I agree; Santorum is badly hurt from any traction that he may gain out of IA because he was born in VA, I believe, and has also lived there.


25 posted on 12/24/2011 1:25:29 PM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for Santorum if he is on the April 3 ballot.)
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To: Brilliant

LOL! Who’s the real loser here? (Look in any nearby mirror immediately.)

You seem overjoyed that we will get Romney or RUN Paul. Now there is cutting edge “Conservatism” for you!


26 posted on 12/24/2011 1:26:51 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: RealImmigrant
I don't care; this is still a disaster for Newt. This was a chance to go mano-a-mano with Mitt.

Lost opportunity. How was Romney going to weasel out of a direct debate? Frankly, I'm kind of teed off at Newt for letting it happen and question his competence to lead a campaign.
Does he think he can mess up like this in the general election?

27 posted on 12/24/2011 1:27:31 PM PST by stormhill
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To: Steelfish
All this BS just helps 0bama get reelected.

Perhaps this is the neoACORN method of democrat election procedures.

28 posted on 12/24/2011 1:27:56 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Brilliant
I’ve just about given up on Gingrich. I’m not sure he’s that much more conservative than Romney, and he doesn’t seem much more electable than Bachmann or Ron Paul.

Yes, you are right as I see it. The establishment has it all under control before the first vote is cast.

29 posted on 12/24/2011 1:28:09 PM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for Santorum if he is on the April 3 ballot.)
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To: Steelfish

It’s not a disaster for Gingrich as much as for the RPV. You’ve got only two of the seven nationally recognized candidates on the ballot and no write-ins are allowed. This had best be scrutinized very closely as on the surface it doesn’t pass the smell test.

I will not support the squishy, slimey, underhanded Myth, nor the fruit cake Rupaul.

Right now this is a slow motion trainwreck.


30 posted on 12/24/2011 1:28:51 PM PST by bereanway
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To: Steelfish

Professor Sabato and this writer are both Democrats, without a doubt, so why do they care what goes on in the Republican party?


31 posted on 12/24/2011 1:31:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Hoodat
“Even bigger embarrassment for home-stater Rick Santorum.”

And, where do you think Newt has resided for 30+ years?

33 posted on 12/24/2011 1:31:58 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Steelfish

Something rotten is going on in Virginia, and the GOP establishment appears to be at the heart of it.


34 posted on 12/24/2011 1:36:09 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Is it? Could it be possible? Naw, the GOP would not rig the petition process to ensure that Romney would not have competition would they?

Nothing is beneath these RINOs in order to protect their domains and the wealth that comes with it.


35 posted on 12/24/2011 1:36:27 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Brilliant
Newt is an arrogant, conceited SOB who thinks he is the man history has chosen to save our republic from societal and economic collapse.

Back when it was just accepted the House of Reps would forever be rat, he engineered and pulled off their overthrow.

Similarly, it is given there is little we can do about the black-robed tyrants who regularly usurp the Constitutional will of the sovereign people. Here is his solution to Marxist Judges.

He may just be the flamethrower our republic needs.

36 posted on 12/24/2011 1:37:06 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Professor Sabato and this writer are both Democrats, without a doubt, so why do they care what goes on in the Republican party?”

The demonrats always try to flim-flam the Stupid Party into nominating the weakest candidate.


37 posted on 12/24/2011 1:38:28 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

According to Va GOP rules if you have 15000+ signatures, the signatures are not validated but if you have less than that they are checked. Now how fair is that? All you have to do is fill up a petition with names from a phone book or just make them up until you have 15001 and you get through scott free.


38 posted on 12/24/2011 1:38:41 PM PST by GrandmaPatriot
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To: DoughtyOne

It’s about optics.


39 posted on 12/24/2011 1:38:41 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Wrong, it will turn into a public relations disaster for the Virginia State election committee and the Governor.

I cannot imagine the anger among the Newt, Perry and the other candidates supporters there, who make up over 60% of the primary vote.

They made this so difficult to register that only two out of 6 (The two of which were grandfathered in from being on the ballot in 2008) were able to qualify.

Anyone who thinks this will just pass by are seriously in denial.

40 posted on 12/24/2011 1:38:50 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
My point was it doesn't reflect on the candidates who were sucker-punched out, it reflects on the primary system itself.

As was yours.

41 posted on 12/24/2011 1:41:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (FOREIGN AID: A transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries)
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To: editor-surveyor

whatever!

The rule is the rule. Get the signatures or get lost. The only thing rotten going on is how stupid the boneheads running for prez are. Only 2 qualified? what a disgrace!


42 posted on 12/24/2011 1:44:04 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Steelfish

There are over five million registered voters in Virginia. How difficult is it to get 15,000 - 20,000 signatures?

That’s less than 1/2 of one percent.

http://www2.wsls.com/news/2008/oct/15/virginia_sets_record_for_new_registered_voters-ar-393204/


43 posted on 12/24/2011 1:46:18 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: GrandmaPatriot

Then why didn’t the idiots do that?


44 posted on 12/24/2011 1:46:28 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Absolutely, but then, you have the intelligence to understand what I meant.

Any Primary process that is so incredibly over blown and complicated is not a good process. I defeats it’s own purpose.


45 posted on 12/24/2011 1:47:58 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I assure you, I am not overjoyed. We’ve been given a bad hand.


46 posted on 12/24/2011 1:48:22 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Steelfish

there was a time years ago when sabato was a relatively reasonable voice on VA politics. now he’s just a towel boy for the liberals.


47 posted on 12/24/2011 1:48:27 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: GrandmaPatriot
Whatever the rules are; I just don't understand how these campaigns with all their “brilliant” people; don't meet a basic requirement.
48 posted on 12/24/2011 1:52:31 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: trumandogz

glad to know your candidate knew the rules and will be on the ballot


49 posted on 12/24/2011 1:52:37 PM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: bwc2221

Money. It takes lots and lots of money. And neither candidate could come up with enough to buy a spot on the ballot. But I would never expect you to understand a thing like that.

But you do repeat almost word for word, Carl Rove, who was on FOX a few minutes ago saying how good a job Romney did on following the “rules”.


50 posted on 12/24/2011 1:52:54 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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