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ID now needed for drain cleaner
qonline.com ^ | January 3, 2012 | Anthony Watt

Posted on 01/04/2012 10:16:29 PM PST by MamaDearest

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To: voteNRA

There is always a problem locally that justifies further restrictions on freedom. Perhaps if you read the law more carefully you will notice that a lot of the chemicals now tracked are useful in the manufacture of weapons as well as meth. Does that change your thinking any?


41 posted on 01/04/2012 11:57:44 PM PST by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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To: MamaDearest

I agree with the posters above who say this is nothing but a way to curb clandestine drug manufacture. I guess now the only question that remains is how many laws and restrictions are required or desired in a supposedly free society that would virtually stop such clandestine drug manufacture. At what point of relinquishing our freedoms are we free of illegal drug use but still a free people? Oh, and before I forget, lights out after the random searches. See you all at roll call.


42 posted on 01/05/2012 12:02:54 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Mycroft Holmes
The list will grow. . .in Italy; matches hard to buy; and probably drain cleaner, too. Would mention a couple of more; but why go there.

Meantime, the 'border invite'stands. Adios, America. . .(don't know how to say 'same' in Arabic; but may; soon enough.)

43 posted on 01/05/2012 12:07:55 AM PST by cricket (/get the 'Occupier out of o;ur White House!/ vote Newt 'in'. . .and it is NOT just the economy!)
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To: Mycroft Holmes
"There is always a problem locally that justifies further restrictions on freedom. Perhaps if you read the law more carefully you will notice that a lot of the chemicals now tracked are useful in the manufacture of weapons as well as meth. Does that change your thinking any?

I know you're right and I have had a hard time putting up my argument.

I have encountered 3 different labs in my construction / rehabilitation carrier and have had the unfortunate opportunity to stumble upon one with a baby strapped in a car seat.

It really sours the soul and has a life changing impact on a person like you or me, one that I hope you never have to experience.

Meth Sucks! I hope you never have to find out how much it destroys

Cheers Freeper Mycroft!

44 posted on 01/05/2012 12:14:10 AM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: MamaDearest
The institutionalization of society marches on.

We are just inmates and it appears, guilty until proven innocent, and even then, we criminals must be strictly controlled.

Brave new world...

"Show me your papers or I'll taze you... ...hmmm... seems you have an overdue library book, we will remove your children from your home...."

45 posted on 01/05/2012 12:14:49 AM PST by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: MamaDearest

I have this terrible habit of clogging my drain and losing my ID on election day.....

Well, at least I can vote.


46 posted on 01/05/2012 12:26:46 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: Hoodat

Customary 6.75% laundry bleach does not meet that strength.


47 posted on 01/05/2012 12:26:46 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: voteNRA

I must respectfully disagree. The legal restrictions you seem to approve of have merely caused the producers of the poison to move laterally. In order to eliminate the producers of the filth, you must remove their CUSTOMER BASE.

Education is the answer to this plague. To try and “legislate away” the poison is to ENCOURAGE those who would pollute us with this utter plague. Prohibition CANNOT work, yet here we are again!

Destroying the producers by ostracizing and shaming the users is the only way to deal with this.

SHAME may be out of vogue, but it is still useful among those of us who still value family. Those who resist the reality of their choices WILL die of their own hand, with we who TRIED valiantly to show them the error of their ways wholly absolved of the responsibility of their poor choices.

It may sound harsh, but reality is not exactly the most gentle of mind-states.

You can only try to help someone for so long. After a while, you realize that they are bound and determined to destroy themselves, and all you can do is watch.

I recently had a very close friend self-immolate with booze. It was far slower than what meth does, so don’t lecture me. I also happen to work at a large hospital. I have seen things that you would never sleep again had you been there. Ask anyone you know that works in an ER about dopers. Heck, ask anyone in the HOUSEKEEPING department of any hospital about what they have to deal with.

Much as I’d like to see “thoughtfulness and love” cure these people, the only thing that MIGHT work is good, old-fashioned tough love. Anything less insults them, and they know it. They care about NOTHING but their drug.

It’s the “Love all” ideal that has created this monster, and only the REALITY A**H**E stands a remote chance of slowing it down. Stopping it is yet another dragon.


48 posted on 01/05/2012 12:28:27 AM PST by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: raygun
Anybody advocating liberarian philosophies hasn't seen the carnage of meth.

I have long advocated for restoring this kind of judgment to doctors and pharmacies with the same kind of controls and supervision normally expected for any other medication. So woes associated with "moonshine meth" are simply not applicable to such a discussion.

49 posted on 01/05/2012 12:32:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: voteNRA
I bought a house that had a meth lab in it. It lab was easier to clean up than the bedroom they birthed the goat in.

I have spent 25+ years of my life providing ID and signing to buy laboratory equipment and chemicals so that some moron won't make crack pipes. I have news for you. I have a neighbor who makes drug paraphernalia (lovely stuff really, qualifies as art glass). He gets exactly none of his supplies from places where he has to sign for them. I suppose that you could regulate the sale of colored Pyrex glass and inconvenience all of the art glass folks as well in your quest for a drug free society.

Regulations only annoy the law abiding but they do provide good government jobs for union hacks. I suppose that there is some social good to come of it.

50 posted on 01/05/2012 12:33:32 AM PST by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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51 posted on 01/05/2012 1:07:24 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Mycroft Holmes

Why should that matter in the libertarian pie-in-the-sky utopia? Aren’t all humans granted the right to arms? What if its my happy to blow things up?

What right does government have to deny my right to happy? Is it government’s jurisdiction to ogre itself into threatening me with the what-if oops? And so dangerous - must be outlawed - right?

If I’m reading you correctly, you’re saying that local government could plausibly restrict gun possession / ownership in the interests of greater public / social peace.

I have no other understanding of your statement other than plausibly your willingness to subject yourself to rules established by an elected ruling body of like-minded citizens.

I propose herewith: that we establish a society whereby Mitt Romney - and the likes of which - shall be now and and hereevermore forebidden. Those individuals proposing pluasibles, or otherwise sychophancy, shall be run out of town on the fever tree-rail (ungreased).


52 posted on 01/05/2012 1:10:41 AM PST by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: raygun

No, I don’t think you are reading me correctly.


53 posted on 01/05/2012 1:12:59 AM PST by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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To: MamaDearest
I just has this horrible vision of walking into WalMart and instead of miles of re-arranged aisles of Asian crap, it looks like one of those product fairs with manned and/or womaned boothes that have "slashed" signs describeing a product and a recipe type box full of cards you take to the checkout.

You "deal" the cards out at the register and another form of invented job market retrieves your stuff.

I don't know how it gets to your car ... I awoke to type this.


(This fantasy brought to you by the real-life adventure to get a box of "BRONKAID" pills to help battle my "chronic bronchitis .. the kind that's sweeping the nation. A card in the "cold and flu" section sent me to the parmacy (wait in line) for it. I asked "why?" and was told "so people can't make drugs out of it"

Seriously folks, I asked the lady to repeat that and looked hard at her, and asked her to think of the words she just used and she said, "What?" .. )

54 posted on 01/05/2012 1:43:26 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: voteNRA
As much as I hate the ID restrictions on OTC pseudoephedrine products, It seems to have completely killed off meth labs here in Minnesota and thats a good result.

Nonsense.

55 posted on 01/05/2012 1:45:22 AM PST by Talisker (Apology accepted, Captain Needa.)
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To: MamaDearest
figures......you need ID to get s*** out of a lot of places
56 posted on 01/05/2012 2:11:14 AM PST by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: MamaDearest

OK, so just about every house in the country has a bottle of this stuff. What’s the point?

How about a 30-day waiting period before you can unplug your drain? Or concealed Drano carry permits?

This has to stop.


57 posted on 01/05/2012 2:45:30 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: MamaDearest

The liberals continue on their quest to make the world completely safe. We want constant, dependable climate, and no danger. Everyone please stand still while we tweak a few things, and then it will be perfect. We will sacrifice all liberty, all originality, all creativity, all independence for the sake of safety and security. We must be protected from ourselves. As Monk would say, “You’ll thank me later.”


58 posted on 01/05/2012 3:01:11 AM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: MamaDearest

Acetic acid is on the list. i.e. vinegar. Brilliant. Just brilliant.


59 posted on 01/05/2012 3:04:07 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: MamaDearest
Clogged drain?

I thought this article would be about Congress and the White Hut.

60 posted on 01/05/2012 3:45:11 AM PST by traditional1 (Free speech for me.....not for thee)
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