Is Now The Time To Move Away From Major U.S. Cities?

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Is Now The Time To Move Away From Major U.S. Cities?

January 26, 2011

As the U.S. economy falls apart and as the world becomes increasingly unstable, more Americans than ever are becoming "preppers". It is estimated that there are at least two million preppers in the United States today, but nobody really knows. The truth is that it is hard to take a poll because a lot of preppers simply do not talk about their preparations.
Your neighbor could be storing up food in the garage or in an extra bedroom and you might never even know it. An increasing number of Americans are convinced that we are on the verge of some really bad things happening.
But will just storing up some extra food and supplies be enough? What is going to happen if we see widespread rioting in major U.S. cities like George Soros is predicting? What is going to happen if the economy totally falls to pieces and our city centers descend into anarchy like we saw in New Orleans during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina? In some major U.S. cities such as Detroit, looting is already rampant.
There are some sections of Detroit where entire blocks of houses are being slowly dismantled by thieves and stripped of anything valuable. Sadly, the economy is going to get a lot worse than it is at the moment. So is now the time to move away from major U.S. cities? Should preppers be seeking safer locations for themselves and their families? Those are legitimate questions.

According to a recent Gallup poll, satisfaction with the government is now at an all-time low. Americans are rapidly losing faith in virtually every major institution in society.

Anger and frustration are rising to very dangerous levels, and we are rapidly approaching a boiling point.

When people feel as though they have lost everything, they get desperate.

And desperate people do desperate things.

In many communities in the United States today, crime has become so terrifying that people are literally sleeping with their guns.

The following is a story from Rancho Cordova, California that one of my readers recently sent me....

When I first moved here, it was not a bad place, it was quiet and clean.

However, over the past three years this place has gone to the dumps there are thugs and unruly people everywhere.

I have prevented two car break-ins by scaring these thugs away.

While I was home on thanksgiving weekend, someone decided to break into my apartment.

They trashed my place stole all my items and even took my law enforcement (LE) vehicle to include my equipment.

I m sure they had been watching me for a while because they did not take items that contained my identification.

Thank god, I had my weapon with me.

In many areas of the country, law enforcement resources are being dramatically cut back due to budget problems at the same time that crime is rapidly rising.

Right now, the city of Detroit is teetering on the verge of bankruptcy. Officials there recently announced that due to budget constraints, all police stations will be closed to the public for 16 hours a day. From now on, they will only be open to the public from 8 AM to 4 PM.

But in Detroit the police are needed now more than ever. The following is what one British reporter found during his visit to Detroit....

Much of Detroit is horribly dangerous for its own residents, who in many cases only stay because they have nowhere else to go. Property crime is double the American average, violent crime triple. The isolated, peeling homes, the flooded roads, the clunky, rusted old cars and the neglected front yards amid trees and groin-high grassland make you think you are in rural Alabama, not in one of the greatest industrial cities that ever existed.

The population of Detroit is less than half of what it used to be. Over the past few decades people have left in droves, and large sections of the city are in an advanced state of decay.

Not too many people want to buy homes in Detroit now. At this point, the median price of a home in Detroit is just $6000.

The following video contains some video footage of the "ruins of Detroit" that is hard to believe.....

(Go to the site to see a video)

Detroit has become a very scary place. 100 bus drivers in Detroit recently refused to drive their routes out of fear of being attacked on the streets. The head of the bus drivers union, Henry Gaffney, said that the drivers were literally "scared for their lives"....

“Our drivers are scared, they’re scared for their lives. This has been an ongoing situation about security. I think yesterday kind of just topped it off, when one of my drivers was beat up by some teenagers down in the middle of Rosa Parks and it took the police almost 30 minutes to get there, in downtown Detroit,” said Gaffney.

But it is not just Detroit that is having these kinds of problems.

In Cleveland, over 50 percent of all children are living in poverty and abandoned houses are everywhere.

The city has already demolished about 1,000 homes, and there is a plan to demolish 20,000 more homes. The following comes from a recent CBS News report by Scott Pelley....

Perfectly good homes, worth 75, 100 thousand dollars or more a couple of years ago, are being ripped to splinters in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Here, the great recession left one fifth of all houses vacant. The owners walked away because they couldn't or wouldn't keep paying on a mortgage debt that can be twice the value of the home. Cleveland waited four years for home values to recover and now they've decided to face facts and bury the dead.

Down in St. Louis they have a different problem. In some of the worst areas of the city, roving packs of wild dogs are a serious threat to children that are walking to school. A recent report by the local CBS affiliate in St. Louis described the situation this way....

...Lewis Reed is sounding the alarm. "I’ve witnessed packs of dogs, 10 and 15 dogs running together, and I’ve seen all these dogs I’m talking about they don’t have collars, they don’t have tags, these are truly wild dogs," he said.

Reed says stray dogs are terrorizing the north side. "It’s obscene that parents have to walk their kids to school, in some parts of the city, with a golf club to fend off wild dogs."

How would you feel if you had to fend off wild packs of dogs as you walked your child to school?

These kinds of conditions can be found out on the west coast as well.

For example, there is an area of San Francisco that is known as "Hunter's Point" that is an absolute nightmare. In Hunter's Point, over half of the population lives in poverty and more than half of all children live in a home where there is no father present. The following is what one reporter discovered on a visit to Hunter's Point....

Abernathy and I cut through the complex, tromping over an expanse of dirt and concrete toward the northeast end of the development, where a row of apartments looked down from a grassy hill. We paused next to a vacant, boarded-over unit to take in the scene: A stream of ****, piss, tampons, and toilet paper spewed from a dark hole in the sidewalk, poured down the hill, and formed a sort of **** lagoon next to the street. Weeds, about six inches tall, were growing in the little lagoon.

Raw ****, obviously, is not cool. Beyond the fact that it smells and looks nasty, fecal matter provides a haven for dangerous bacteria, most notably E. coli, a virulent pathogen that can sicken and even kill humans, especially infants.

When conditions like this reign, it is a prime breeding ground for crime.

In major U.S. cities all over the United States, drug dealing, gang activity and prostitution are on the rise. The following comes from a recent article in the New York Times....

In November, a terrified 13-year-old girl pounded on an apartment door in Brooklyn. When a surprised woman answered, the girl pleaded for a phone. She called her mother, and then dialed 911.

The girl, whom I’ll call Baby Face because of her looks, frantically told police that a violent pimp was selling her for sex. He had taken her to the building and ordered her to go to an apartment where a customer was waiting, she said, and now he was waiting downstairs to make sure she did not escape. She had followed the pimp’s directions and gone upstairs, but then had pounded randomly on this door in hopes of getting help.

In some major U.S. cities, the gangs have virtually taken over. In an article entitled "City of Ruins", Chris Hedges described what life is like today in Camden, New Jersey....

There are perhaps a hundred open-air drug markets, most run by gangs like the Bloods, the Latin Kings, Los Nietos and MS-13. Knots of young men in black leather jackets and baggy sweatshirts sell weed and crack to clients, many of whom drive in from the suburbs. The drug trade is one of the city's few thriving businesses. A weapon, police say, is never more than a few feet away, usually stashed behind a trash can, in the grass or on a porch.

As I wrote about the other day, the FBI says that there are now 1.4 million gang members inside this country. That number has increased by 40 percent since 2009.

Organized criminal behavior by groups of young people is on the rise all over the nation. Just check out this video which shows a flash mob robbery happening in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Sadly, this is just the beginning.

This country is still enjoying a tremendous amount of prosperity. We still have a very high standard of living compared to most of the rest of the world.

So how nightmarish are things going to get when the economy gets really bad?

The most frightening thing is when these criminals start invading private homes.

The following home invasion story from Sacramento, California was sent to me by one of my readers a while back....

Somebody got into my sister's house last night while she was out. My mom was upstairs, but didn't hear anything. Whoever it was, they ate some chips and sorted through a stack of maternity clothes my sister had ready for selling on ebay. He left a dirty pair of boxer shorts and a bottom dentures on the dining room table. Fortunately, he was gone when she got home. I'm amazed, but the police actually came out and collected fingerprints and his boxers and false teeth. Probably a homeless guy. He may have switched his dirty boxers for a clean pair of maternity jeans, so the police just have to look for a guy wearing women's maternity pants with no lower teeth.

Because of stuff like this, an increasing number of Americans have decided that it is better to be armed.

The truth is that you never know when you will get jumped.

For example, in Pennsylvania the other day one 65-year-old man was suddenly knocked off his bicycle by three teen thugs.

The 65-year-old man responded by pulling out his gun and shooting two of them. One of the teens was killed.

Down along the border with Mexico, many ranchers have discovered that a gun battle could potentially erupt on any night. The federal government has refused to protect the border, and so millions of illegals just keep streaming on in. The following was recently posted on standwitharizona.com....

Barbed wire fencing doesn’t keep illegal aliens off the property anymore. One Starr County, TX rancher doesn’t have time to worry about the illegals these days. He now worries about the smugglers protecting their loads.

“I don’t think they would have any conscience of taking someone’s life,” the rancher says.

He saw that will to kill firsthand. A smuggler shot at him on his own land.

“One round was fired at me, and it missed my head by about two feet,” says the rancher.

He says there’s only way to react.

“Fire all the rounds you have, reload, and do it again,” says the rancher.

The more stories like this you read, the easier it is to understand why more than 10 million guns were sold in the United States during 2011.

The truth is that you never know when you may need to defend yourself.

This past New Year's Eve, a single mother named Sarah McKinley was home alone with her three-month old son when she discovered that two armed men were trying to invade her home. If she had not had a gun, there is no telling what might have happened. The following is from a news story about that incident....

An Oklahoma woman was recently home with her 3 month old son when two men tried to break in. Armed with a shot gun and a pistol she called 9-1-1.

Operator: "Are your doors locked?"

Caller: "Yes, I've got two guns in my hand. Is it ok to shoot him if he comes in this door?"

Operator: "I can't tell you what you can do but you do what you have to do to protect your baby."

The mother did shoot killing one of the intruders. Oklahoma police called the shooting justified.

What would you have done in that situation?

America is rapidly changing, and we all need to adapt to the new reality all around us.

The truth is that America is not the same place it used to be. In some U.S. cities, authorities are actually dumping dead bodies into mass graves.

Just check out what the Daily Mail says has been going on in Chicago....

It's a practice more closely associated with third world countries, but in bleak times in a Chicago-area suburb, 30 people were buried in a mass grave on Wednesday.

The pauper's burial section at Homewood Memorial Gardens was established for those who could not afford to pay for a burial plot.

And it is a problem that's sweeping America as tough economic times have led to an increase in the number of indigent burials the morgue must perform.

All over the country, major U.S. cities are flat broke and are rapidly decaying. They are filled with impoverished people that are rapidly becoming angrier and more frustrated.

There simply are not enough jobs for everyone. Millions of ordinary Americans spend their days agonizing over the fact that they cannot provide even a basic living for themselves and their families.

And as the economy gets even worse, the economic despair in this country is going to grow to unprecedented levels.

So is now the time to move away from major U.S. cities?

In the end, each of us is going to have to answer that question for ourselves.

Jobs are scarce, so if you have a good job right now it may not be wise to give it up. It can be incredibly challenging to move to a new area when you don't have a job.

One solution may be to move farther away from your current job so that you are in a more rural setting. But the rising cost of gasoline can make that a very expensive proposition.

Some families are purchasing second homes that they can "bug out" to in the event of a major disaster or emergency. But if your financial resources are limited that may not be an option for you.

In the final analysis, you have just got to do the best you can with what you have.

But if you are able to move, it is better to do it while times are relatively stable (like now) than when times are very unstable.

So what do all of you think?

Do you think that now is the time to move away from major U.S. cities?

[little jeremiah]

In a SHTF situation many necessities and conveniences may be partial, sporadic, or unavailable. Things like water, sewage, fire departments, electricity, natural gas, propane, etc.

I’d much rather be “out in the middle of nowhere” than in the middle a hundreds of thousands or millions of people who cannot find water with which to drink, bathe or wash their clothes, fires that cannot be extinguished, stores that cannot function due to no electricity, or no products delivered, no gasoline, etc.

I can’t stand cities as they are now. I cannot imagine living in one once things really start to break down.

[dragnet2]

You need to read my post a bit closer.

[rdb3]

In Cleveland, over 50 percent of all children are living in poverty and abandoned houses are everywhere.

The city has already demolished about 1,000 homes, and there is a plan to demolish 20,000 more homes. The following comes from a recent CBS News report by Scott Pelley....

Perfectly good homes, worth 75, 100 thousand dollars or more a couple of years ago, are being ripped to splinters in Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Here, the great recession left one fifth of all houses vacant. The owners walked away because they couldn't or wouldn't keep paying on a mortgage debt that can be twice the value of the home. Cleveland waited four years for home values to recover and now they've decided to face facts and bury the dead.

Sad, but true. I had to leave.

My 3 brothers and 3 sisters try our best to convince mom and pop to leave that hellhole, but they refuse.

25 years ago, we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash, and Bob Hope.
Today we have Obama, no cash, and no hope!

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

Or you can get raw with these strings.

How about this gamechanger from America's Got Talent (which they SHOULD have won).

And finally, this, dedicated to the one and only rdb2, whose eyes are growing dim.

Either way, the violin is sweet yet LETHAL.

Do it!

[Straight Vermonter]

How are these millions of "students" going to participate in any meaningful way in a modern economy?

Rate	District	Size rank	Rate	District	Size rank	Rate	District	Size rank
21.7	Detroit	11	53.7	New Orleans	48	68.4	Gwinnett County, Ga.	20
38.5	Baltimore City, Md.	30	53.8	Duval County, Fla.	19	68.6	Brevard County, Fla.	42
38.9	New York City	1	54.6	Clark County, Nev.	6	69.3	Fulton County, Ga.	45
43.1	Milwaukee	28	54.8	DeKalb County, Ga.	27	70.0	Hillsborough County, Fla.	10
43.8	Cleveland	44	55.1	Austin	37	70.2	Anne Arundel County, Md.	40
44.2	Los Angeles	2	55.2	Palm Beach County, Fla.	12	70.4	Cobb County, Ga.	26
45.3	Miami-Dade County, Fla.	4	55.5	Philadelphia	8	72.2	Granite, Utah	46
46.3	Dallas	13	56.0	Charlotte	23	75.3	Mesa, Ariz.	39
46.5	Pinellas County, Fla.	22	56.2	Orange County, Fla.	15	75.8	Northside, Tex.	49
46.8	Denver	43	60.1	Polk County, Fla.	34	77.0	Jefferson County, Colo.	33
48.5	Memphis	21	62.2	Jefferson County, Ky.	31	80.2	Jordan, Utah	41
48.7	Broward County, Fla.	5	63.0	San Diego	16	81.3	Cypress-Fairbanks, Tex.	47
48.9	Fort Worth	36	63.1	Fresno	35	81.5	Montgomery County, Md.	17
48.9	Houston	7	63.7	Hawaii (statewide)	9	81.9	Baltimore County, Md.	24
50.4	Nashville	50	66.5	Virginia Beach	38	82.2	Wake County, N.C.	25
52.0	Albuquerque	32	67.3	Prince George's County, Md.	18	82.5	Fairfax County, Va.	14
52.2	Chicago	3	68.1	Long Beach	29

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-06-20-dropout-rates_x.htm#grad

[vanilla swirl]

Been hearing this chestnut for awhile. I live in a city of about a million. I live in a neighborhood of maybe 200 houses. Let’s think about this logically, if bullets are flying out of a only handful of houses in the neighborhood where do you think the looters will go? There are plenty of easy pickin’s for a looter without having to dodge bullets!

And as far as roving bands of armed paramilitary zombies? Probably thinned out before they get here.

All that being said, I have hardened my basement so that my wife and I could survive a couple of months without popping our heads out. And I do have a bug-out location in another state.

With what is going on in Georgia court regarding Obama’s eligibility I seriously expect race riots this summer. Atlanta will be the first to go up in smoke!

[southern rock]

I understand what you are saying in your post # 30, but I'm not sure geography has as much to do with it as you think. Somewhat yes, but not everything.

To dig deeper into what you touched upon here, you really need to read a book called "Class" by Paul Fussell. I read it years ago and it was an eye opener. I finally understood why I had been annoyed by certian types of people. After reading it, you will realize that you are not bothered by small town people, or even less educated people (although this plays into it a little), but it is really "prole" behavior that you are adverse to. It will be worth your time.

[PapaBear3625]

Yet they still manage to muster manpower and gear to conduct East German style checkpoints and speed traps.

Arresting gang bangers does not produce revenue. Arresting middle-class drivers for speeding and DUI does. Increasingly, police care more about revenue than their official jobs. In what way does this make them different from old-style highwaymen?

[patton]

Of note, I can remember reading about each incident the author cites on FR.

[P8riot]

Locked and loaded.

[panaxanax]

“Nearly everybody I know has a pretty prestigious education: Harvard, Pepperdine, the Sorbonne in France, Oberlin, Amherst, Georgetown, Duke, Tel Aviv University, and King’s College in London - to name a few. I rarely ran into anybody educated when I lived the small town I was born in!”
_____________________________________________

BFD.

Your highly educated friends would be the first to implode during a crisis. Bobby Brooks bow-ties and PhD’s don’t mean shit when you’re hungry and have to actually hunt for food.

Their definition of being hungry is being late for dinner or missing breakfast.

Do all of us uneducated country-folk a favor and stay right where you are.

[Chode]

yup... that was my point

[bert]

With the fantastic change in communications and transport, cities have become obsolete. The necessity to gather people and resources into a tight area no longer exists. Decentralization provides benefits outweighing those of closeness of a city.

The occupation of cities by feral people has hastened the decline. Nothing can be done about those feral populations except starve them out. The Starvation will lead to despair and conflagration on a massive scale.

Do not be there at the time....... stay away

[cripplecreek]

The population in the UP is low but lots of people on public assistance. What happens up there if the SHTF?

Those are college students and they'll be too busy trying to get home to do much of anything else. They don't know how to feed themselves now and started leaving as soon as we cut some 30,000 of them off food stamps. Native Michiganders are generally life long hunters and fishermen.

[bert]

-——all we need to do is blow the Route 17 bridge-——

With what?

Of course the reverse is true. You are thinking defense when some offense might be prudent. The bridges on the interstate leading to the cities effectively cut off flow of goods into the city.

The state of Florida is especially vulnerable. the loss of I 95 and I 75 will severely impact the state’s ability to function. The same is true of Philadelphia but perhaps more work needs to be done

[cripplecreek]

I think small towns are ideal. I’m about 70 miles west of Detroit and better than 10 miles off the highway. There are other little towns every 4 or 5 miles in every direction.

Any urban barbarians who think they could simply roll out across the country side taking what they want would be in for a big surprise.

[patton]

Your post is misleading - those are graduation rates, not drop-out rates.

[angcat]

You must be very young. My daughter is in love with NYC, she is 16.. My whole family ran out of NYC. My parents were born and raised on the lower east side and I spent 28 years there and in Yonkers. After living in the country for the last 18 years I don’t miss paying all the taxes and hanging out with snobs from other states who have really changed NYC and not for the better.

[netmilsmom]

(you’re gonna let us in if the SHTF, right? I’ll show my FReeper ID, live in our camper and bring cookies)

[reformedliberal]

I was responding to “you can run, but you cannot hide” and agreeing with it.

If pressed to hazard a guess, I’d say that collection of taxes would be one reason. Beyond that, the ability to create what we used to call sociograms that reveal your social interactions must have a reason. With all the data-gathering technology available that can read your ID from a chip in a driver’s license, passport or credit card or the GPS tracking available via cell phone, _someone_ seems to want to be able to track us.

Perhaps there is another reason for all the data mining on the web besides just knowing what to sell us and where we would be most likely to purchase it, not to mention who we might be meeting up with, which can be determined from comparing the various tracking data common to any group of individuals? They know the products you buy and where you buy them. Social networks and emails reveal your personal associations.

If your various cards/phone pass within range of an RF reader, you are identified. Mobile scanners are being used to see if someone is carrying in public. In some large cities, you can also be tracked via the ubiquitous cameras and, in some places, via drone. Your IP identifies your location when you post or go online from any platform.

That is the data collection part. Data storage is becoming very cheap. Large centers exist and more are being built just to store that data. Many of these data storage centers are run by the government intelligence services. The government wants access to the private data storage.

Why go to all this effort if there wasn’t some purpose behind knowing where people are, where they are going, what they are doing and with whom they are doing it?

Perhaps they have no interest in any one individual at the moment, but they foresee a time when they would.

Read “Minority Report”. Dick was writing before all this tracking was so readily available. The book differs from the movie.

[patton]

Here is an interesting question, inspired by you post ...

What is an ideal bug-out location?

No man is an island - humans need sleep, and someone to watch their back.

Perhaps a town of 500 to 2000 people, more or less in farm country? A minimum of 100 miles from a city?

But then, even if you own a place in such a community, you may not be welcome, unless you bring needed skills - a DR., eg, would be welcome anywhere, a tax collector, maybe not.

Food for thought.