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‘Ishtar’ Lands on Mars ('John Carter' a colossal bomb for Disney, $165M writeoff, layoffs...)
NY Times ^ | 3/11/12 | BROOKS BARNES

Posted on 03/11/2012 1:32:54 PM PDT by jimbo123

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“John Carter,” a big-budget science fiction epic from Walt Disney Studios that opened Friday and flopped over the weekend. Disney spent lavishly (some say foolishly) on the movie in large part to keep one of its most important creative talents happy: Andrew Stanton, the Pixar-based director of “Finding Nemo” and “Wall-E.”

“John Carter,” which cost an estimated $350 million to make and market, and was directed by Mr. Stanton, took in about $30.6 million at the North American box office, according to Rentrak, which compiles box-office data. That result is so poor, even when factoring in about $71 million in overseas ticket sales, that analysts estimate that Disney will be forced to take a quarterly write-down of $100 million to $165 million.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: andrewstanton; barsoom; disney; edgarriceburroughs; findingnemo; hollyweird; johncarter; pixar; walle; waltdisneystudios
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To: SuzyQue

A Harrison Ford Raiders type actor might have worked for the role.

If they wanted to go more serious, someone like Russell Crowe who has done a great job with period pieces but he is too old.

Taylor Kitsch is 30 years old. He did a pretty good job with Remy in Wolverine. His dialogue in the previews is painful to watch. Kind of like Keanu Reeves as Harker in Dracula.


41 posted on 03/11/2012 2:11:30 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Carson Napier of Venus was another good Burroughs series.


42 posted on 03/11/2012 2:11:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: SuzyQue

A Harrison Ford Raiders type actor might have worked for the role.

If they wanted to go more serious, someone like Russell Crowe who has done a great job with period pieces but he is too old.

Taylor Kitsch is 30 years old. He did a pretty good job with Remy in Wolverine. His dialogue in the previews is painful to watch. Kind of like Keanu Reeves as Harker in Dracula.


43 posted on 03/11/2012 2:11:40 PM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: who knows what evil?

The MSM focuses on the budget of a movie too much. By their logic, you could have the #1 movie of the year be a bomb if it made a billion dollars but cost 2 billion to produce. The understood definition of a “bomb” is a movie no one goes to see, not one that just cost too much to make.

Last year, Mars Needs Moms was a bomb. It made $7 million opening weekend and $21 million total.

John Carter made $30 million in its opening weekend. That’s not a bomb, but it does mean the budget should have been half of what it was to be profitable. Prince of Persia opened with the exact same and ended up with $90 million, but made an unusually high amount overseas. These are B movies that were given A budgets. Anyone should have known this material shouldn’t justify this kind of budget, but it appears this was a vanity project as the first live-action movie for one of their top Pixar creators. Now that it’s out of his system, Disney will surely be happy to have him return to animation.


44 posted on 03/11/2012 2:16:02 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: exhaustguy

Agreed with your first two ideas.

And, “Taylor Kitsch”? Please, how could that ever work? “Taylor”? “Kitsch”? Can’t make that into a John Carter.


45 posted on 03/11/2012 2:16:39 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: cripplecreek

Ehrmmm... I see no reference to her (Traci Lords) in either of the two Dark Skies databases scanned thus far. Perhaps you were thinking of some other strumpet?


46 posted on 03/11/2012 2:17:13 PM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... -can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: exhaustguy

You guys are all criticizing this movie without having seen it. Basing everything on what some New York Times movie critic said.

How idiotic is that?


47 posted on 03/11/2012 2:18:00 PM PDT by pjd
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To: exhaustguy

Nah, Russel Crowe has douchebagged out, he’s done.

They should have gone with Sam Worthington, the new Russel Crowe.


48 posted on 03/11/2012 2:19:12 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: jimbo123

In Burrough’s book, Carter returned to Earth and made a fortune in pharmaceutical sales.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/oldadverts/4420231081/


49 posted on 03/11/2012 2:19:28 PM PDT by tumblindice ( our new, happy lives)
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To: JediJones
The understood definition of a “bomb” is a movie no one goes to see, not one that just cost too much to make.

Exactly. This movie may do quite well overseas...

50 posted on 03/11/2012 2:19:38 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: dfwgator

Even that would have been a little better since it’s a unique name that clearly identifies the movie as sci-fi/fantasy of some sort. But a generic name like John Carter doesn’t communicate any useful information about the movie at all. If you’re going to use a proper name for a title that isn’t a well-known character, it needs to be a unique, fictional-sounding name like Forrest Gump. For a movie like this or Star Wars, though, a single name diminishes the movie no matter what because these are movies about whole worlds and large casts of characters, not just one man’s biography.


51 posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:13 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: jimbo123

Saw it last night, it was much better than I had expected from the Dizzy Co.

The length of some of his leaps were a bit too much, and we now know that Mars gravity is not spectacularly less than Earth, but it was nice to see a movie for entertainment without some heavy-handed eco-nut message!
There is a bit of anti-war theme (Post civil-war disgust), but it is balanced by his accepting the necessity of the fight thrust upon him.

It was also nice that the manner in which “he” travelled to Barsoom was explained, something too often left out of newer stories.


52 posted on 03/11/2012 2:20:37 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: Utilizer

I had the wrong series. She co starred in the “First Wave” series.


53 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

And Pellucidar. There was a really awful “At the Earth’s Core” made back in the 70’s with Doug McClure and Peter Cushing.


54 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:17 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: jimbo123
Maybe I'm missing something. I thought John Carter was a great movie, entertaining and a good story. The special effects were believable and aliens well designed. I went to see it because the critics panned it. I don't see this film bombing IMO.
55 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:30 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: longfellow

IT had potential.

On of my fave films as a kid was Robinson Crusoe On Mars


56 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:42 PM PDT by mylife
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To: jimbo123

Most movies flop. And most flops don’t do a hundred million domestic/foreign on opening weekend.

Disney will lose a hundred fifty million on John Carter in the end.

Not a layoff scenario.


57 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:59 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: cripplecreek

John is from Mars, Carson is from Venus?


58 posted on 03/11/2012 2:21:59 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: JediJones

Carson Napier was headed for Mars but crash landed on Venus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_Napier


59 posted on 03/11/2012 2:23:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pjd; All

agreed. Saw it yesterday in iMax 3D with my son, and we had a blast. FX, story line, action, villains and bad guys, battle scenes - i think this is Hollywood going after a studio that doesn’t toe the party line.

will buy with it comes out in blu-ray


60 posted on 03/11/2012 2:23:54 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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