Posted on 03/20/2012 5:47:47 PM PDT by Steelfish
I am off the plantation too!! I have watched 2 great conservative candidates ripped to shreds Cain & Perry!!!! Two wonderful men who
were true conservatives!!!, I WILL NEVER, EVER VOTE GOP-E AGAIN,!!!
I am just sick to my stomach with elections being bought NO MORE FOR
ME!!!!
This is an excellent post by Titans, and your way of thinking is mentioned prominently and accurately, maybe you could learn a little something:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2861639/posts?page=96#96
For a month now on FR Newt supporters have done about 90% anti-Santorum and 10% pro-Newt.
Those are your statistics, and do not match my sense of things at all. I often find many positive things about Newt here that encourage me... why would you post numbers that you have no way of backing up, without saying they were your opinion only...
In case you hadn't read the media reports today, the WH has once again responded to Newt, regarding the inappropriateness of a comment about the next first lady. Obama has responded several times to Newt's statements, and on fox and friends, the other morning, the hosts said that President Obama was borrowing some of Newt's lines, much the way Santorum does about every speech. Doesn't sound like a loser to me, sounds like someone who has already engaged, annoyed, and called out the White House.
“Stop, and think about this.”
Think about what? Rick fought hard here, lost, but still pulled delegates.
“Rick cannot beat Romney”
He has beaten Romney in 10 states so far. Who else has done as well?
“People, there is no ground swell for Rick.”
Look at the counties. He won every county south of Springfield save one. He won almost every single republican county there is to win in Illinois.
Now, maybe you see that and conclude that it’s democrats voting for him, but I look at that and say:
Romney is the choice of the big city folks, the moderates, the liberals within the republican party. This is why he consistantly wins liberal counties.
Santorum wins the conservative, republican counties.
You’re right, they are voting for Romney as a protest. As a protest against the same nonsense we’ve had shoved down our throats from the Obama crew.
Why should we listen to Cook County? Why should we let them decide for us our nominee?
Please, answer me this, because I sure don’t see why.
We have bashed one another for weeks. Every single candidate I supported has been trashed. Cain, Perry, Then Newt. The GOP-e has played us for Fools. Yes I am guilty as well there is no excuse for any of us.
If we cannot figure how to work together as an alliance. Then we all are going to rounded up by Obammy citizen patrol and worshiping at the altar of Obammy.
I have come to the conclusion that the GOP-e does not want to win. They are happy being the "loyal opposition" (very loyal to the demonrats).
Why else do they support the crap they do? Rockefeller? Geo Romney? Ford? Dole? McCain? Will Romney? Why do they oppose Republicans who win (Nixon? Reagan? Gingrich?)
Other than Gingrich, which pubbie congressional leader was actually effective? Nope, the GO-PEE does not want to win -- and they won't with Romney
If a few media reports are true, and that's a big IF, then Newt has reached out to Santorum, and Santorum wasn't interested.
Our only hope is a brokered convention. My calculations a week ago had this as likely. Unfortunately, I did not expect the collapse Santorum has experienced recently. It was worse than I could have imagined.
Now a brokered convention seems highly unlikely.
We may just have to suck it up and prepare for 2016. If that is out lot, we need to unite behind a candidate early, and NOT WAVER. We must nip the Iowa upstart nonsense in the bud BEFORE IT EVER STARTS, and we must eliminate from our list of consideration any candidate who is running on pocket change and a prayer.
It is that simple. No more Huckabees, no more Santorums.
At the moment, adding Gingrich and Santorum together does not beat Romney. This is the first time in a while that the combined Santorum/Gingrich vote didn’t beat Romney.
Now, the combined Ron Paul/Santorum vote would beat Romney. But Ron Paul isn’t combining with Santorum.
And it’s not like Santorum did poorly, he got about where his polls were. It’s that all the late-breaking support went to Romney. That’s not a good thing.
You were right looks like Mittens settling in around 47% or so.
Not good but it may very well be Rick Santorums swan song
Romney is so lousy in speeches and interviews that he's better off to have this thing continue through June. He needs the practice and it's worth whatever millions he's spending on it. He did show some improvement in the debates, if you like seeing Republicans get walloped on with half-truths before a live studio audience. I'm sure none of us would mind if he took that tone with Obama. But all indications are Romney would run a "respectful" campaign against Obama and spend half his time complimenting Obama, just like McPain. He's also like McPain in that McPain absolutely savaged his conservative Republican primary opponent J.D. Hayworth. Liberal Republicans are only nice and respectful to fellow liberals, not to the conservatives they can't stand.
An excellent rationale for supporting whatever POS ‘moderates’ the GOP elites manage to offer us!
Why drink the straight poison when you can have the sweetened variety? I’m sold!
I am also a Catholic, and I admire Santorum standing firm on his beliefs. And I share them. However I do not believe that he majority of voters will agree.
It would be great if a man of strong faith were to reawaken the Christian values this country was founded on. There is no doubt that Santorum is sincere and lives his life accordingly. I don't think he is that man. Obama will make him out out to be a parody of a eighteenth century fanatic when they burned witches at the stake. Late night comedians will mock him, and the feminist will rail against him as being against "women's rights". He will lose.
The moral issues which plague us have been decades in the making and may take that long to correct. But the issues of sovereignty and solvency threaten to destroy us within the next five to ten years.
We need to get control of this country immediately, fix the financial problems and put the people in charge of the government instead of the other way around. We can then start to weed out the entrenched cancer of marxism and moral decay that is rotting away the country.
I think we agree on the problems, just not in what order we should handle them. In any case I don't think withdrawing from the battle or encouraging others to do so is the best thing.
“He will lose.”
Santorum is strong where Obama is weak. He is also strong where Obama will need to win, in the battleground states like Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Stronger than McCain for that matter.
Romney, on the other hand, is strong where Obama is strong. This type of matchup leads to blowouts. Obama being stronger than Romney means that for the most part, Romney will be unable to garner the votes necessary to win.
McCain, had at least won several states in the South. Romney - has not, winning VA in a split with Paul (and still not getting 60+ in a two man race.
I am not convinced that supporting Romney will actually prove any benefit vs Obama from Santorum. And I think Santorum will make an excellent presidential candidate.
As for the money issue - Romney if he passes Obamacare will simply break the bank, no way around it. If we allow him to become the nominee, then quite simply, we are going to see 4 more years of Obama.
“We have a president and way too many people who think killing a baby after it’s born is ok. People cover their eyes and ears pretending it’s not happening. This is no different than what hitler ( which SHOULD outrage ALL conservatives, not just Rick supporters) But WE conservatives are ruining the party by trying to stop this. How terrible of us.
What good is it if we gain the whole world and lose our soul and the souls of our children?”
But do you think that your circular firing squad mentality has brought this about? Social Conservatives sitting at home, not voting in a certain race, or voting for a candidate that can’t win brings about people like Obama and his views on abortion. A candidate who lets abortion be decided by the states vs a candidate that wants to outlaw abortion nationally...social Conservatives would shun the former and embrace the latter, even if the latter was not electable. So then they get someone who wants to keep abortion legal using the power of the federal government. That sort of mentality has gotten us where we are.
By the way, I’m pro-life. My stance is abortion should be outlawed in all cases, even rape as the child had nothing to do with it and is innocent. But I also believe in states rights and that abortion is a decision that must be made at the state level. We have too much power in D.C. And I don’t care if that power is wielded in my favor. If you want a big intrusive government doing your bidding, then you’re worse than the libs and when you set that sort of precedent, then that power just might be used against you. Social Conservatives have never learned that lesson.
Rick Santorum still has a chance but a hard road ahead, still, at least the Newt people who love to viciously smear him can no longer hurt him as they have become ineffective and easily dismissed minor irritants.
Santorum’s lack of understanding Conservative Solutions is where I part
1. a progressive income tax and
2. vote buying by promising to triple the dependent child tax credit
But they all say they ain't like that anymore and who, among them, has demonstrated over the years the moral character it takes to be believed?
It's a two man race for sure now and unless you are for Mitt Romney I expect the attacks on Rick Santorum will be accompanied by an equal number of attacks on Mitt Romney.
I explained it this way to someone, who later came to understand Santorum differently, and not through idealized lenses. And that this country needed an experienced statesman a la Churchill, not a Pope. Maybe it will help you understand why so many Christians can't bring themselves to support Santorum... somethings are more important than political stands..
"On Santorum: No, I’ve never met him. I’ve read about him, some of the corruption he is associated with, I’ve watched him, I’ve listened when he was disrespectful to his mentor for political expediency’s sake. I study his voting record. I know a charity of his gathered millions of dollars, and only spent 32% of their funds on the poor, for whose benefit the charity was formed; and that the normative ethical ratio is for most charities to spend 82% of their funds on their targeted constituency - while most of Santorum’s donations went to give his political friends cushy “charity” jobs. Good Neighbor, I think it was called. I listened as this so-called “good” Christian man stood on a stage and said his character was the quality of character that Americans needed in the White House, unlike the character of others who had personal baggage in their past, without once mentioning the forgiving saving transforming power of Jesus Christ, who is the center of the faith Sanctimonium so piously professes to live by... and sets his principles upon...
If you are not a Christian, you can’t really appreciate what is so appalling and galling about the man, in light of true christians, who don’t abrogate the work of Christ with attempts at self righteousness attained by their outside of the cup persona and behaviors..
What you are doing, and why so many sincere Christians have great problems with Santorum, is he, as well as you, overlook how the transformative power an encounter with the True Christ impacts a man’s entire soul and being; he becomes a new creature in Christ Jesus, old things pass away, all things are made new.
Newt has confessed his sins, said he did things he is ashamed of, has sought to make reconciliation with the members of his family, and others he has hurt. He has blamed no one else but himself. He has come to a new and apparently cleansing faith in Christ Jesus and, most importantly, there is no evidence of any of the same behavioral sins in his life since this long journey of his repentance, rebirth, and renewal began.
And, yet, people cannot let the man leave his past behind. After 20 years - think of it - 20 years - there are still a majority of people in the press, politics - Santorum, and a lot of his supporters - who consider Newt the same man he was 20 years ago, and dare he try to take one step away from his past, to step into the new, as his faith promises him he can, they are there loudly, hypocritically, self-righteously to pull him right back. They won’t let him step away from his sinful past, though no apparent evidence of that sinful past exists any longer, or any evidence that he is the same man he was 20 years ago. He is being judged as the man he was - while that man no longer exists. He is, I repeat, a new creature in Christ Jesus.
Finally, Christians, who truly fully embrace and receive the saving work of Christ, who are transformed deeply, understand that Newt could have done all those things back then, even worse, and still today be a new creature in Christ Jesus - but no one, not Santorum, nor his minions, will allow for that, or accept that might ever be true.
So, the final finally: it says more about the people who can’t let Newt be this new creature many believing Christians trust he is, if only because they are likewise sinners, great sinners, saved and transformed by the same power that Newt claims has saved and transformed him. It is religious bigotry, hard hearts, and people like Santorum, who behaviorally have hit many of the right notes in their outward lives, though it is hard to believe that is extensively true - I am sure we will find out - whose self-righteousness - whose pride in their outward manifestations of sinlessness, and acceptable conduct, that causes believing Christians to distance themselves from him, to see him as a hypocrite, saved more by his self-perceived good works than the miraculous, healing work of a Perfect Savior, by his love and tender mercy, towards those who are fully unworthy.
Santorum is about none of that, he is about a gospel of works and self denial, of earned salvation. Newt is simply a sinner being saved by by the gift of grace, he could never earn or be worthy of... through no goodness of his own... the same as most of those Christians who can’t support Santorum’s apostasy."
Thank you glad to see some here get it.
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