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In before the libertarians bash this...

I know, I posted the article, but you have to be fast on drug war articles.

1 posted on 05/01/2012 1:09:40 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Bashety bashety bashety bash...

They tell on themselves. Better rehab and education on dangers has helped where interdiction has failed. Just because it’s still legal to eat, say, Drano doesn’t mean people are lining up to do it.


2 posted on 05/01/2012 1:12:22 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (To the devil with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: DannyTN

This is a bunch of circular reasoning and avoidance of facts.

The article is chock full of specious assertions.


3 posted on 05/01/2012 1:15:27 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: DannyTN

I don’t agree with legalization of hard drugs but things like pot should never have been made illegal. Also what this article really needs to address is all the freedoms we’ve lost due to the “war on drugs” and why Mexico is melting down because of cartels made rich off the drugs that we buy. The unintended (or maybe intended) consequences of the war on drugs is not worth it in my opinion. However, if you like the police state that we live in then party on!


5 posted on 05/01/2012 1:19:04 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: DannyTN

For me, legalizing drugs is about limiting government. I don’t expect government to keep me safe from my own stupidity. I’m royally tired of the gazillions of agencies running around minding my business. It’s time for it to stop & drug laws are a good place to make it stop.

Sorry if that’s too Libertarian of me.


7 posted on 05/01/2012 1:21:02 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: DannyTN
drug problem is growing smaller and has fallen

Replaced with prescription drugs for: ADHA, depression and various other happy drugs.

Obamacare will make the Federal government our drug dealer.

If the elites don't like our behavior, they will cut off our legal drugs. We will be slaves.

8 posted on 05/01/2012 1:25:09 PM PDT by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt Romney)
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As illegal as drugs are, they are widely available on city street corners to anyone who wants them. Do you really think the fact that pot is illegal means someone who wants to, can’t buy it?

The black market of illegal drugs makes crooked politicians, judges, and cops very wealthy.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 1:26:14 PM PDT by Gigantor (2012...sometimes you have to flush twice.)
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To: DannyTN

Put undercovers into the supply chain to poison the crap. End of problem.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 1:33:58 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: DannyTN
The people who benefit from he WOD are all the law enforcement types and the parasites who sell them goods and services.
16 posted on 05/01/2012 1:39:32 PM PDT by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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Wish my cousin were still alive.

He spent his entire life fighting the drug war, and when he knew his life's end was near, he was willing to call it what it had been - a total waste.

The war has been fought almost exclusively on the supply side, and you have to be a complete idiot to think you can ever win like that. As long as demand exists, all you are doing is raising the price. And of course as the price goes up, so does the profit for those involved.

More profit means more powerful, dangerous, and sophisticated drug cartels. And that is abundant in spades. The hippy couple that brought three pounds of pot across the boarder under the back seat of a Volkswagen bus has been replaced with a well oiled, deadly, multinational criminal enterprise.

The complete and utter damnation of the “war on drugs” is that the average middle school kid can now get pot easier than beer. That sums it up.

18 posted on 05/01/2012 1:44:19 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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Fine. Let's ban alcohol, and tobacco. Might as well ban vitamins, and supplements too.

Did God almighty not give you the right and responsibility to take care of your own body?

Who are YOU? Your brothers keeper? Jailer? Slaver?

Freedumb isn't free.

21 posted on 05/01/2012 1:54:18 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: DannyTN
The decades of decline coincide with tougher laws, popular disapproval of drug use, and powerful demand reduction measures such as drug treatment in the criminal justice system and drug testing.

Hopefully noone is dumb enough to believe this. But it is typical Beltway self-congratulatory thinking. I think it would just crush their little pinheads if they knew what the real world effect of their policies were.
24 posted on 05/01/2012 2:07:01 PM PDT by microgood
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To: DannyTN

There are good reasons to keep some drugs illegal. This article misses most of them. It angers me when it says “pretending smoked marijuana is medicine”
Yet if a pharm company takes out the THC and places it in a pill -Marinol- suddenly it is medicine. As long as some company can make a lot of money off of something it is medicine. I have no problem with expanding the drug war though education. I do have a problem with putting your neighbor in a cage for something that causes no harm to you or society.


25 posted on 05/01/2012 2:09:18 PM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: DannyTN

The drug war is working so well, think what another 100 bill or so a year can accomplish.

This is the classic example of government control over our behavior and how the answer to any problem is more of the same.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 2:24:47 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: DannyTN

What’s even dumber is trashing the 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments as well as the clearly stated limits on Federal power laid down in the US Constitution.

That’s not just dumber, it’s incredibly dangerous to our Liberties.

L


31 posted on 05/01/2012 2:44:48 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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What John Walters (career beltway bureaucrat) conveniently omits is that ENDING THE FEDERAL DRUG WAR WILL NOT LEGALIZE DRUGS. Every state has their own drug laws already on the books, and getting rid of the federal drug war will not remove them.

They're counting on "good conservatives" to infer from all the hype that without the federal drug war there would be anarchy, and be willing to let them keep right on eating away at your constitutional rights, believing that it's the only way to save you from the drugs.

THINK, people!

32 posted on 05/01/2012 2:57:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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In before the libertarians bash this...

Well, according to the article date, you posted it six days before it was published.

37 posted on 05/01/2012 4:12:07 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DannyTN

Right now, the game has changed significantly, so that the most dangerous drugs out there are, of course, #1 and still going strong, alcohol. But #2 is rapidly becoming legal, prescription opiates and synthetic opiates.

In fact, there is a profusion of drugs like the Vicodin class (Hydrocodone/paracetamol)(semi-synthetic opioid), as well as the Hydromorphone class, and the Hydromorphinol class, and the Oxymorphone class. Dozens of brand names and generics.

In short, these are effectively “middle class heroin”, at about 20% of the strength of heroin, the balance made up with OTC NSAID pain reliever drugs such as acetaminophen.

But now there is an intent to market 100% purity of these drugs not in combination with other drugs. But as addictive as heroin.

The skyrocketing rate of abuse of these dangerous narcotics has long been so great as to give the federal government an excuse to obtain all prescription records from all citizens, a massive loss of privacy that has yet to show any lessening of the levels of addiction.

It has been pointed out as well that for those addicted to these drugs that they are both so expensive and so relatively controlled that heroin is a reasonable alternative, both cheaper and more widely available.

This is a huge, national problem.


38 posted on 05/01/2012 4:12:59 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DannyTN

The federal government does not have the right to regulate the growth or non-commercial use of a plant that literally grows like a weed and doesn’t require processing or transport across state lines.

A few years ago, I was trying to grow a traditional medicine garden and couldn’t get poppy seeds. That year, a woman was arrested for selling heirloom poppy seeds. This made me stop and consider marijuana laws as well.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg021133426494.html?15


41 posted on 05/01/2012 4:43:07 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: DannyTN

The federal government does not have the right to regulate the growth or non-commercial use of a plant that literally grows like a weed and doesn’t require processing or transport across state lines.

A few years ago, I was trying to grow a traditional medicine garden and couldn’t get poppy seeds. That year, a woman was arrested for selling heirloom poppy seeds. This made me stop and consider marijuana laws as well.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg021133426494.html?15


42 posted on 05/01/2012 4:43:07 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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To: DannyTN

The federal government does not have the right to regulate the growth or non-commercial use of a plant that literally grows like a weed and doesn’t require processing or transport across state lines.

A few years ago, I was trying to grow a traditional medicine garden and couldn’t get poppy seeds. That year, a woman was arrested for selling heirloom poppy seeds. This made me stop and consider marijuana laws as well.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/edible/msg021133426494.html?15


43 posted on 05/01/2012 4:43:16 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed, not afraid to use it. Hold R's to promises, don't watch O keep his.)
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