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Group asks NC lawmakers to repeal 'shoot first' law
The News & Observer (N.C.) ^ | 2012-05-23 | C Jarvis

Posted on 05/24/2012 11:30:08 AM PDT by neverdem

A national group opposed to what it calls “shoot first” gun laws today sent a letter to all members of the General Assembly, and to legislators in 25 other states, calling on them to repeal or reform their laws.

Shoot-first laws take away the obligation to retreat from a confrontation, other than in your home, in order to avoid the use of deadly force.

“Trayvon Martin’s killing in Florida has focused public attention on the consequences of these reckless laws,”

Ginny Simmons, director of Second Chance on Shoot First, said in a news release. “… Experience has now shown that these laws encourage vigilantism, sow confusion among police, and stymie prosecutors.”

North Carolina has had a “castle doctrine” law on the books for some time, allowing deadly force against someone intruding in a home. Last year, the General Assembly expanded it to justify use of force in a motor vehicle or workplace.

The law says a person “does not have a duty to retreat from an intruder.” That defense isn’t available to someone who provokes a confrontation, except under limited circumstances.

Second Chance on Shoot First describes itself as a coalitioni of civil rights leaders, politicians, law enforcement and others.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndchanceshootfirst; banglist; shootfirst; standyourground
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1 posted on 05/24/2012 11:30:15 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Second Chance from their new website:

In partnership with: Mike Bloomberg, NAACP, National Urban League, NAN-Colorofchange.org, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights, and VoteVets.org.

We have enough racist propaganda on this site. Admin should delete this thread.


2 posted on 05/24/2012 11:36:55 AM PDT by Gaffer
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“Second Chance on Shoot First describes itself as a coalitioni of civil rights leaders, politicians, law enforcement and others.”

My description: a group of criminal coddling fools that are more interested in protecting their precious criminals than they are about law abiding citizens.

(Of course you could say the same about any “gun control” group and the morons that follow them.)

3 posted on 05/24/2012 11:40:24 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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“Trayvon Martin’s killing in Florida has focused public attention on the consequences of these reckless laws,”

Yeah...by hysterical hoplophobes in the media with a severe anti-gun agenda.

What a crock of horse $h!+.

4 posted on 05/24/2012 11:41:10 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (I will not comply. I will NEVER submit.)
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To: neverdem
“does not have a duty to retreat from an intruder.”

Fitting that liberals expect that the requirement is to runaway and die a coward. It explains a lot.

5 posted on 05/24/2012 11:41:35 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The United States of America, a banana republic since 1913)
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To: neverdem
Shoot-first laws take away the obligation to retreat from a confrontation...

WooHoo!!!

6 posted on 05/24/2012 11:41:53 AM PDT by houeto (FReepathon 2Q! https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem
The idea that people should be compelled to retreat from confrontations, thus allowing criminals & thugs to steal the fruits of their labors, is about as clear an abandonment of natural rights, once deemed sacred in America, as one can imagine.

Why do these people--those taking this initiative--always take the side (support the interests) of the criminal predator , over that of the law abiding citizen seeking to protect what is rightfully his?

That, of course, is a rhetorical question. We know perfectly well. This is the result of three generations of Marxist influenced ("Mipip") assaults on reason, in some of our leading Academies.

William Flax

7 posted on 05/24/2012 11:43:36 AM PDT by Ohioan
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“… Experience has now shown that these laws encourage vigilantism, sow confusion among police, and stymie prosecutors.”

Not a single word in this sentence by any evidence whatsoever. Furthermore, the stand-your-ground law had NOTHING to do with the Trayvon Martin case. If the race baiters version is true the law would not apply to help Zimmerman and if Zimmerman’s version is true it was classic self-defense.


8 posted on 05/24/2012 11:45:15 AM PDT by Castigar
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In partnership with:

Interpretation: 8 liberal elites sitting in a room and sharing similar group-think with the mentions uber liberal groups...The so-called press would 'catch' 8 conservatives attempting to speak for millions of people. But they 'miss' liberal groups doing it... it's such a mystery...

9 posted on 05/24/2012 11:45:59 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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New National Partnership Launches to Reform or Repeal Shoot First Laws

More from Doomberg, Rev Al et al.

10 posted on 05/24/2012 11:49:35 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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Liberal prosecutors who aggressively charged and prosecuted crime victims for defending themselves were the people responsible for “castle doctrine” and “shoot first” laws in the first place. Even still to this day, “homeowner-shoots-burglar” newspaper stories routinely include a closing line to the effect of, “Police declined to comment on whether the homeowner will be charged in the shooting.”

So now the scumbag liberals are whining about these laws? Screw them. They reaped what they sowed and now they can drop dead.
Fortunately, the likelihood that any of these laws will ever be repealed is slim to none, and Slim left town.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 11:51:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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...8 liberal elites

Yet the have the Cojones to call themselves 'national'.

This is another example of the media not doing its job - accepting put-up credentials and dubious provenance for fact when, in fact, it is a bunch of fringe racists masquerading as a more-prevalent representative of prevailing sentiment. Pure racsist BS.

12 posted on 05/24/2012 11:53:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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“I know after seeing the TV of what’s happening, comparing their sizes, I think Zimmerman was definitely on top because of his size.”

13 posted on 05/24/2012 11:54:39 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: neverdem
let the BG’s learn to retreat or get shot
14 posted on 05/24/2012 11:54:54 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: neverdem

Soros, in conjunction with Van Jones and the Obama Administration.


15 posted on 05/24/2012 11:55:44 AM PDT by SoDak
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I’d like one of these a-holes to explain to me how you’re supposed to “retreat” from some young thug in a hoodie when you’re in your seventies, in a wheelchair, on crutches, or a slow tiny woman.


16 posted on 05/24/2012 11:59:44 AM PDT by Argus
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Group asks NC lawmakers to repeal 'shoot first' law

[eyeroll] Why don't they just be honest and just say they favor a "die first" policy on self-defense??

17 posted on 05/24/2012 12:01:13 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Experience has now shown that these laws encourage vigilantism

I wonder what there are more of - vigilante deaths or ramdom black on white deaths.

18 posted on 05/24/2012 12:02:44 PM PDT by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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“Trayvon Martin’s killing in Florida has focused public attention on the consequences of these reckless laws”

It may have, but that’s only because someone, somewhere lied. From what we know from witness testimony and medical evidence Zimmerman had no ability to retreat and therefore is asserting regular, old self-defense rather than Stand Your Ground/Shoot First/whatever.


19 posted on 05/24/2012 12:06:36 PM PDT by Tublecane
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Shoot-first laws take away the obligation to retreat from a confrontation...
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Lets just say that you refrain from confronting me and I will refrain from thinking I may be forced to shoot you.

I also have become such a cheap SOB and shoot so well my motto is

‘One shot, One kill’, no sense wasting ammo.


20 posted on 05/24/2012 12:11:38 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 Let's start from scratch by voting ALL incumbents out.)
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