They are Matthew 6:11 in the original Koine Greek.
No; they are not.
There was no such thing as chapters or verses in the original (thank a Catholic for adding them).
I am truly sorry that they are foreign to you.
Not nearly foreign enough:
Posted on 06/22/2012 8:48:35 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
It is within the bounds of “open” Religion Forum town square style debate for a Freeper to express his hatred of a belief. But such posts are never allowed on RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”
It is never within the bounds on the Religion Forum for a Freeper to express his hatred of people who hold a particular belief when any Freeper is part of the belief group.
For example:
It is ok to express hatred towards CatholicISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Catholics because some Freepers are Catholic.
It is ok to express hatred towards ProtestantISM on “open” Religion Forum threads. It is never ok to express hatred towards Protestants because some Freepers are Protestant.
It is ok to express hatred towards SatanISM and Satanists both because no Freeper is Satanist.
Some political posters are now venturing onto the Religion Forum probably because Romney’s beliefs are at issue in this election.
If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the Free Republic browse option list. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."
Finally, whereas posters may argue vigorously for and against beliefs on “open” Religion Forum threads it is never tolerable to use ad hominems in religious debate because they invariably lead to flame wars when the subject is one’s deeply held religious beliefs.
For something to be "making it personal" it must be speaking to another Freeper, personally.
"Protestants are heretics" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal. "Catholics worship Mary" is not making it personal. "You worship Mary" is making it personal. "Mormons worship many gods" is not making it personal. "You worship many gods" is making it personal.
However, when a poster paints with a brush that accuses an entire religion of criminal behavior - his post will be pulled as flame bait. For example, posts that say "Protestants kill babies" or "Catholics molest children" or "Mormons kill non-Mormons" will be pulled. However, if the post is specific about a non-Freeper, I will not pull it. For example "Rev. Doe says abortion and infanticide are not sin" or "Father Doe was convicted for molesting those kids" or "Mormons killed non-Mormons at Mountain Meadows" would not be pulled.
Statements formed as questions are rarely "making it personal."
"Are you a heretic" is not making it personal. "You are a heretic" is making it personal.
Forms of "making it personal" include mind reading, attributing motive, accusing another Freeper of telling a lie (because it attributes motive, the intent to deceive) - making the thread "about" individual Freeper(s), following a Freeper from thread to thread and badgering a Freeper over-and-again with the same question.
When in doubt, avoid the use of the pronoun "you" and Freeper's names - or put yourself in the other guy's shoes.
Despite all these efforts to eliminate ad hominems, there is nothing I can do to keep you from "taking it personally."
If you keep getting your feelings hurt because other posters ridicule or disapprove or hate what you hold dear, then you are too thin-skinned to be involved in “open” RF debate. You should IGNORE “open” RF threads altogether and instead post to RF threads labeled “prayer” “devotional” “caucus” or “ecumenical.”
They are Matthew 6:11 in the original Koine Greek.
No; they are not.
There was no such thing as chapters or verses in the original (thank a Catholic for adding them).
I am truly sorry that they are foreign to you.
Not nearly foreign enough:
Oh?
How?
You admit that OTHERs can read the greek and put it into english.
Does YOUR reading of the greek give a DIFEERENT english result?
Of course; for that is what your church rteaches!
Circular logic!
So you admit that the very early church got our daily food and a yearly special meal all mixed together.
Now THAT I can understand!
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Matthew 4:1-4 1 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”
Did faith save her or was this a lie?
Circular logic is asserting that all can read the same text and derive the true meaning from it while ignoring the evolution of over 33,000 different doctrinal interpretations. The fallacy of self interpretation is self evident.
Your ESV or KJV Bible did not drop out of the sky intact or come down from a mountain carved in stone by Gods hand. It began as Hebrew and Greek texts and was translated into English. Citing the original Greek is only a means to ensure fidelity to the originals.
Peace be with you.
All this talk makes me yearn for that YOPIOS picture. I didn't know I was too dumb to read the Bible for myself until Catholics told me so. What church did Adam go to? or Noah? Who interpreted for them? Man does not live by Greek doctrine alone. It must have been a sacrifice to learn another language.
Read Matthew 9:13
Peace be with you.
What is faith if not the cooperation with Grace by accepting what is unknown or unknowable?
The Gospel is both simple and infinitely complex. It cannot be rendered down to a single verse or bumper sticker, it must be taken as a whole, each verse in the context of all others. Scripture tells us than there are many things that save us;
-God (2 Timothy 1:8-9),
-Jesus (Matthew 1:21, 1 Timothy 1:15) ,
-The Holy Spirit (John 3:5, Titus 3:5, 2 Thessalonians 2:13),
-Grace (Ephesians 2:8),
-The Blood of Christ (Romans 5:9), Jesus’ Name (Acts 4:12), Jesus’ Life (Romans 5:10),
-The Gospel (Romans 1:16, 1 Corinthians 1:18, 15:1-2; 2 Thessalonians 2:13),
-The Implanted Word (James 1:21),
-Faith (Acts 16:31, Romans 1:16, 10:9-10, 1 Peter 1:9),
-Obedience (Matthew 7:21, Hebrews 5:9, 1 Peter 1:21), Works (Philippians 2:12, James 2:24),
-Loving God and others (John 14:21-24),
-Confession of Faith (Romans 10:9-10),
-Repentance (2 Corinthians 7:10),
-Baptism (Mark 16:16, 1 Peter 3:21, Acts 2:38, 22:16),
-Doctrine (1 Timothy 4:16),
-We by Evangelism (Romans 10:13-14, 11:14; 1 Corinthians 1:21, 7:16, 9:22; James 5:20).
It will get neither of us anywhere to try to replay these same Religion Forum gotcha games ad naseum. Our fight is not with each other but with true evil and indifference. I only post on these threads to ensure that the doctrines, dogmas and history of the Church are not distorted so that all will make acceptance or rejection of the Church on the truth.
Peace be with you
Which version Bible did they read?
Peace to you.
Oh?
Did not your own RCC scholars 'self' interpret the Scriptures?
You seem to post an AWFUL lot of early church fathers explanations of what the Scriptures REALLY mean.
Where is the check and balance on THEIR work?
Here in Central Indiana; I do NOT have to drive the speed limit that is set in Jerusalem.
No. The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone, the Magisterium. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. The task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of St. Peter, the first among Apostles and the first Bishop of Rome.
The Magisterium is in no way superior to the Tradition and Scripture that form Word of God, but is its servant and its defender. It teaches only what has been handed on to it. At the divine command and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it listens to this devotedly, guards it with dedication and expounds it faithfully. All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith under the direct guidance of the Holy Spirit.
"You seem to post an AWFUL lot of early church fathers explanations of what the Scriptures REALLY mean."
It was those same Early Church Fathers, some of whom formed the early Magisterium, faithfully passed along the Word for generations before there was a Bible. Among these were persons who were either direct eye witnesses of Christ's earthly mission or were students of those who were. It was their interpretations and recollections, guided by the Holy Spirit, that produced the Creeds that formed the standard for the writings that would later be affirmed by other Early Church Fathers as being inspired and inerrant, in other words, the Canon of the Bible that you rely on today. While their individual writings may not have been inerrant, but they are inspired and a legitimate perspective for the interpretation of Scripture. I do find it interesting that you deny the ability to faithfully and inerrantly interpret Scripture to these while maintaining that you yourself can do so.
“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.” - Luke 10:16
Peace be with you
It’s very sad to believe these lies and falsehoods. I don’t understand the willingness to do so.
I experienced God’s love at a time I most needed Him, after my mother’s death when I was but still a child. He’s been there for me and with me forever after, in a very real and meaningful way the rest of my life. But, this was and is through the Holy Spirit’s doings, His promptings, guidance, teaching, and love, and not by man (so no one may boast).
Thank you for such a well written explanation of the Magisterium.
This is the usual Catholic bashing thread which started out with the title:
“Guidelines on Hatred and the Religion Forum”
ROTFLMAO as the usual suspects opine on that which they should know since Catholics have been on here forever telling them the truth about our church and our beliefs. 8-)
Every single day I thank God that He led me to His Church. The First Church of Christ~the Catholic Church.
Happily Catholic since Easter Vigil 2008
Natural Law does do a great job here.
YOPIOS are poisonous and intoxicating, but God can heal even those suffering from years of ingesting that twaddle.
I haven’t read the thread (TOO MUCH!) but I’m shore glad we got ourselves guidelines on hatred. What would hatred be without proper guidelines, I can’t imagine!
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