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Ruling Will Make Obamacare More Popular
National Review (The Corner) ^ | June 28, 2012 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 06/28/2012 7:20:04 PM PDT by madprof98

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To: peeps36

And when all these Obama taxes bring the economy to it’s knees..

How well do you think Romney saying it’s “Obama’s fault” is going to play after 4 years of “it’s bush’s fault”?


41 posted on 06/28/2012 7:54:33 PM PDT by cableguymn
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To: mn-bush-man
Oh, wait. I didn’t realize I clicked on the “We’re a bunch of defeated pussies!”

True be that!

42 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:03 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: madprof98

RIP Freedom July 4, 1776 - June 28, 2012


43 posted on 06/28/2012 7:55:44 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: lasereye

What else can the Republican Establishment say at this point? They must rally the troops with more lies; Roberts is a genius, their are lines drawn that are clear now, the T Party will be back in power, this was a GOOD outcome for Republicans, etc., etc.

All we have to do is vote for the socialist at the top of our ticket.

Gag. Does anybody really buy this stuff? We are now Europe, but owned by China, and the death panel is blue ribbon now, taking the last of the patriots who remember the way we were.


44 posted on 06/28/2012 7:57:26 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: mn-bush-man
Oh, wait. I didn’t realize I clicked on the “We’re a bunch of defeated pussies!” thread.

Yep. Oh, wait. Are you planning an insurrection of sorts? That would be cool. How else to rid the nation of a bill that's been in effect for almost two years?

45 posted on 06/28/2012 7:58:53 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: yellowhammer

The Pelosi House voted already. Symantics changes nothing.


46 posted on 06/28/2012 8:01:40 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Principled

The bill they passed gives exemption power to HHS, correct?


47 posted on 06/28/2012 8:08:10 PM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: madprof98

This discounts the fact that many of those who oppose obamacare kept quiet or less involved because they thought SCOTUS was a back stop. Now that it’s not, the opponents are gonna come out of the woodwork on fire! Hell, just keeping the same or even slightly less fire from 2010 will result in a Romney win and a Republican senate at 55-43-2.

For instance, in my 41 years I’ve never contributed to a political campaign...I did today and have set aside more to donate later, either to the presidential race or a battleground race for the Senate.


48 posted on 06/28/2012 8:10:24 PM PDT by Jake8898
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To: RitaOK
Yes, but this ruling may invalidate all the exemptions that have been granted.
49 posted on 06/28/2012 8:11:15 PM PDT by yellowhammer
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To: dfwgator

“You overestimate the American people.”

____________________________________________________________

Yeah, I’ve been doing that with the Scott Brown Mass. Election, the 2010 mid-terms, the Wisconsin recalls, etc.


50 posted on 06/28/2012 8:11:38 PM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: mockingbyrd
so what does that do to all the ObamaCare waivers? Are they out the window now?

Of course not. He will continue to do whatever it wants - who's going to stop him?

51 posted on 06/28/2012 8:20:05 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: yellowhammer

How so, since the exemptions are determined by the czar of enforcement authority and of various other manipulations, AT HER DISCRETION, which is quite included in the law of the land today, Obamacare.


52 posted on 06/28/2012 8:23:47 PM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: madprof98

i am more afraid that the healthcare.gov commercials will make it popular.


53 posted on 06/28/2012 8:24:08 PM PDT by hecht (restore Hetch-Hetchy, and screw San Francisco and Pelosi)
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To: AndyJackson

Agree. He punked out to keep his job (backdoor adoptions?) whatever, this just lit the fuse.

We’re taking BHO out.

November can see the Tea Party Conservatives from it’s porch.


54 posted on 06/28/2012 8:24:29 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: madprof98
What a lot of people are overlooking here is that this particular Supreme Court decision involved only the legal challenge that was brought by the plaintiffs in this case (the 28 states who challenged ObamaCare, I believe).

The reality is that a whole host of other legal challenges to ObamaCare are looming in the future or still in play right now. The biggest one is the legal challenge brought by religious groups who are arguing against ObamaCare on First Amendment grounds (this was not part of the case that was just decided). Additional legal challenges will be brought as more and more provisions of ObamaCare are implemented. These challenges can't be brought yet because a plaintiff has to demonstrate that they've been directly affected by an unconstitutional law, and they can't make that case until these provisions are implemented.

My prediction is that the U.S. Supreme Court is going to overturn much (if not all) of ObamaCare in one of these future cases on very different grounds than what was argued in the case that led to today's decision. I also predict that Roberts will be the one writing the majority decision.

I think the dissenters in today's decision all made the right points -- but they are going to be more relevant in other cases brought by different plaintiffs and argued on different grounds.

The big news today is that Kennedy wants to overturn ObamaCare in its entirety as unconstitutional. He'd have a hard time reversing himself and walking back on that one in a future case.

55 posted on 06/28/2012 8:27:28 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: madprof98

The stop before the USSC gave Obamacare a vacation from politics. Now it’s been slung back over Barack Obama’s neck and at a point when he’s already stuck his foot in his mouth a dozen times. Even Roberts hinted as much when he castigated the plaintiffs for seeking to escape consequences of lousy political decisions.

The contest is now Mitt Romney’s to fumble, or to successfully carry through November. Barack Obama is not getting any more popular due to this.


56 posted on 06/28/2012 8:28:28 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: 5thGenTexan
The bill they passed gives exemption power to HHS, correct?

yes but the exemption was for a penalty, NOT a tax. HHS cannot do anything with a tax.

57 posted on 06/28/2012 8:29:34 PM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: AndyJackson
As someone pointed out on another thread, it's important to note that the term "conservative" as applied to a Federal judge is very different than "conservative" in our own political debates. Roberts has a very well-documented view of the role of the Federal judiciary, which is based on a presumption that a law passed by Congress is constitutional unless a strong case can be made otherwise.

We may not like the outcome of this decision, but Roberts is on pretty solid principled ground here. Oddly enough, the text of his majority opinion seems to indicate that the ObamaCare law is so poorly written that it's hard for a Federal judge to make any determination about what exactly was involved in this "tax," "penalty," etc. Based on his judicial philosophy -- which is actually very conservative by legal standards -- it's basically up to Congress to figure that crap out, not the U.S. Supreme Court.

58 posted on 06/28/2012 8:33:19 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Principled

Don’t know if Roberts gutted this part of the code, though. Might have been left in as the poison pill that will kill it upon a review based on different grounds.


59 posted on 06/28/2012 8:34:08 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: RitaOK
That part wasn't addressed. But it can be challenged now that the court has ruled Obamacare is a tax
60 posted on 06/28/2012 8:39:15 PM PDT by yellowhammer
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