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GM exec: 100, 200 miles on a charge may be coming
Associated Press ^ | 8/9/12 | Tom Krisher

Posted on 08/09/2012 10:20:31 PM PDT by Nachum

Detroit - A small battery company backed by General Motors is working on breakthrough technology that could power an electric car 100 or even 200 miles on a single charge in the next two-to-four years, GM's CEO said Thursday. Speaking at an employee meeting, CEO Dan Akerson said the company, Newark, Calif.-based Envia Systems, has made a huge breakthrough in the amount of energy a lithium-ion battery can hold. GM is sure that the battery will be able to take a car 100 miles within a couple of years, he said. It could be double that with some luck, he

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The Messiah could be coming too...probably before that battery
1 posted on 08/09/2012 10:20:41 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Hey, its great news. Let them develop this technology on their own dime, sell the cars without Gov’t help or interference, and keep the money they make. At least, that’s how it should work.


2 posted on 08/09/2012 10:25:00 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Nachum

wait.. they claimed the Dolt could go 100 miles on a charge..


3 posted on 08/09/2012 10:27:29 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: Nachum

The Nissan Leaf already gets 100 miles on a charge. And the Tesla Model S gets 200 miles on a charge.


4 posted on 08/09/2012 10:29:13 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

These are all based on daylight, 70 degree day, no ac and new battery. The electric car will always be a limited application vehicle..apply cold, heat and age and they are limited to short range operations.
Some of the golf cart users here in our neighborhood(not a gated community) have switched back to mini-cars and smart cars. Once they got hit with aging batteries and replacement costs..they aren’t that cheap anymore.


5 posted on 08/09/2012 10:33:02 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: grundle

Tesla S range is 125 miles for the base model based on EPA testing, but yeah, we already have electric cars with such range.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S#Battery


6 posted on 08/09/2012 10:33:14 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: PGR88
Let them develop this technology on their own dime

That's the problem. It was $62 billion worth of our dimes that GM has taken. They screwed the bondholders, the pensioners, the dealers, and even the employees (building foreign plants). The stock is horrid, they have NOT bounced back and are still pushing this technology with absolutely no proof that they can get this mileage.

Maybe they will find someone to produce the battery. Maybe not. Meanwhile the administration is shutting down coal mining and coal fired power plants by the dozens. Even they find the battery tech, it will STILL cost more than gasoline. It is STILL is dirtier than gasoline. We are all paying through the nose while these filthy liars have a party on our time and dime. It stinks. Everybody knows it stinks too.

7 posted on 08/09/2012 10:36:10 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: cableguymn
wait.. they claimed the Dolt could go 100 miles on a charge..

No, 35 miles was claimed. The Leaf claimed 100 miles. It doesn't matter if the Volt could be made to last 100 or 200 miles on a charge. It still can't haul worth crap. Throw 4 pieces of loaded luggage and a few passengers in, or other goods you want to transport. Maybe you would get 5 miles down the road (and certainly not uphill).

8 posted on 08/09/2012 10:36:24 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Nachum

No sale.I will never own a gm joke under any circumstances ever.


9 posted on 08/09/2012 10:37:28 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Nachum

After China buys up all the battery companies?


10 posted on 08/09/2012 10:41:56 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Nachum

I would only take an electric vehicle if it came with a constant recharge system built in like a “beta cell”. Anything else is just screwing around.


11 posted on 08/09/2012 10:42:26 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Nachum
Even they find the battery tech, it will STILL cost more than gasoline. It is STILL is dirtier than gasoline.

Simple truth is that gasoline is the most efficient fuel source for millions of drivers, the science refined and proven for over a century. This, the lib idiots ignore. I think another technology, like using piss to power cars, will come into play as a better solution rather than battery driven cars. Piss we got lots of, not so much electricity.

12 posted on 08/09/2012 10:43:22 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: roadcat

Yeah, I’m thinking no song will be written about the Volt like Little Deuce Coup.


13 posted on 08/09/2012 10:44:39 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: Nachum
More accurately IMHO: Everybody with a clue knows it stinks too.

Unfortunately, that excludes a significant part of the electorate.

14 posted on 08/09/2012 10:52:24 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Nachum

Wow... 100 whole miles. Gee whiz. Electric cars are sooo 1890s.


15 posted on 08/09/2012 10:53:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: grundle

Not for long, depends on a lot of factors and battery age. Lots of leaf folks are unhappy at how fast the batteries have lost their ability to hold a charge.


16 posted on 08/09/2012 10:55:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: roadcat

Iirc they initially claimed 40 miles, because they were throwing that around for commuters who mostly drove less than 20 miles to work.


17 posted on 08/09/2012 10:57:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GraceG

Better off with a hybrid right now. If batteries fail still have an engine.

What needs to be made is a hybrid that can be used as a hybrid, or only battery, or only gas, three different options depending.


18 posted on 08/09/2012 10:59:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

So is a cure for all diseases, new organs made on a machine, fusion power, intergalactic space travel and immortality.


19 posted on 08/09/2012 11:06:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Nachum

Then why would I buy a DOLT today?


20 posted on 08/09/2012 11:14:41 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (This stuff we're going through now, this is nothing compared to the middle ages.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Iirc they initially claimed 40 miles, because they were throwing that around for commuters who mostly drove less than 20 miles to work.

Sometimes you get stuck in stop and go traffic - accelerating, brake lights, AC/Heat and electronics eat power. Sometimes you circle blocks endlessly looking for parking. Then there are unexpected detours and errands. With my gas-powered cars, I've taken filled spare gas cans with me on really long trips, saved my hide a few times. But to worry about going 20 miles in one direction is nuts.

21 posted on 08/09/2012 11:14:50 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Nachum

This smells like a desperate attempt to pump up GM’s stock price.


22 posted on 08/09/2012 11:15:57 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

The battery will come from Envia, but the workers are from Slothia and iGlutton.


23 posted on 08/09/2012 11:19:06 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: roadcat
I have a 2005 Buick Le Sabre V6 that has over 90K on the odometer. I recently took a full tank trip basically All Highway and got 34 miles to the gal. I regularly get overall 25 or better MPG. What is the purpose of getting into a 4 banger S$eetbox that is so small you have go outside to change your mind just to get 30MPG?

As for electric cars, how the heck are they going to function in an area like Ohio that has days that are 20 deg and 100 degrees, sometimes in the same 24 hr period? Answer: They are NOT so why are they in\vesting billions of our tax money in this insanity?

24 posted on 08/09/2012 11:25:15 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Nachum
Detroit - A small battery company backed by General Motors is working on breakthrough technology that could power an electric car 100 or even 200 miles on a single charge in the next two-to-four years, GM's CEO said Thursday.

Ye canna disobey the laws o' physics. Maybe it is a really small car?

25 posted on 08/09/2012 11:25:29 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamaid has to go.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Not for long, depends on a lot of factors and battery age. Lots of leaf folks are unhappy at how fast the batteries have lost their ability to hold a charge.

I also worry about other things. Have you ever pulled a flashlight or gadget out of a drawer, unused for months, and discovered a caustic mess inside? What happens if your car sits around unused for a long time? Will the batteries out-vent toxic gas chemicals that combine with water vapor, thereby destroying the car and surrounding garage? I know old gasoline can cause problems after sitting for decades, but what about months for batteries?

26 posted on 08/09/2012 11:26:50 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: Conservative4Ever
Yeah, I’m thinking no song will be written about the Volt like Little Deuce Coup.
And she'll have fun fun fun till her daddy takes the Prius awaay...
Giddyap giddyap Chevy Volt/my single speed dual powered prone to catch on fire Chevy Volt (apologies to the Beach Boys) Folks, this is why they don't write songs about hybrids.
27 posted on 08/09/2012 11:33:46 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I have a 2005 Buick Le Sabre V6 that has over 90K on the odometer. I recently took a full tank trip basically All Highway and got 34 miles to the gal.

Damn, you're getting good mileage! And I bet your car carries more than a gallon per trip. Point is, on the Volt only 35 miles attributed to the battery charge, the rest is gasoline - so why not just go gasoline alone with a car, lots cheaper to make a regular car.

28 posted on 08/09/2012 11:37:16 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: ltc8k6

The article says the Tesla S will go 265 miles per charge...that is great.


29 posted on 08/09/2012 11:40:02 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Nachum

I’m kind of curious how deep this anti-GM current runs?

I know we talk a good game, and I do include myself in there, but are FReepers saying they would never again purchase a new Corvette? Does that mean that after 2009 or whenever the exact bail out timing was, we should never purchase another GM car of a vintage after the bailout?

My continued support for Mercury SUVs since the mid 1990s, was recently rewarded by discontinuing the brand. Now my great service department guys have been replaced by a.h.s in the Ford service department.

Due to some problems I’ve experienced, I may not even buy a Ford the next time around. Don’t get me wrong, my Mercury has been great, but the attitude. I don’t need smart ass people to challenge me when I’m paying the freight.

Business these days is cut-throat, and none of them seem to respect customers anymore. You’d almost think there weren’t 1,000 people willing to take any of those jobs.


30 posted on 08/09/2012 11:40:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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I know we talk a good game, and I do include myself in there, but are FReepers saying they would never again purchase a new Corvette? Does that mean that after 2009 or whenever the exact bail out timing was, we should never purchase another used GM car of a vintage after the bailout?
31 posted on 08/09/2012 11:41:57 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Nope 2012)
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To: roadcat

As a matter of fact when I put my 64 Chevy in the garage for the winter, first thing I do is not only disconnect the battery but compleyely remove it from the car for that very reason. A common problem with postwar Chevys(1949-54) was the air intake duct to the heater core was routed directly under the battery and would corrode and literally disintegrate over time. Not to mention the sweet fragrance of battery fumes wafting around the interior. Think of the mess those massive batteries can cause. But hey, it’s all about saving the environment.


32 posted on 08/09/2012 11:44:32 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Jim from C-Town
I have a 2005 Buick Le Sabre V6 that has over 90K
it's not even broken in yet. The local cab co in town is still running those big old Buicks, they got just about 300K of hard miles on them, and they still run good as new.
33 posted on 08/09/2012 11:49:32 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: fabian
The article says the Tesla S will go 265 miles per charge...that is great.

You bet, and will only improve with time.

34 posted on 08/10/2012 12:15:32 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion or tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum; All
I can see it now...

You live in Kansas City, MO. You decide to go for an 100 miles per charge trip to see your Mother in St. Louis (about 250 to 290 mi).

On day one you travel a hundred miles east on I-70, stop in Columbia (you had the wind at your back all the way) and stay the night so the batteries can charge. Then start out the next day (day two) and arrive in O'Fallon (the wind was gone) to once more stay the night and charge the batteries. Now, on day three you head out and arrive to visit mom and (of course) charge the batteries.

Relations never were the best with mom and you normally only visit for about an hour or so, but now you are driving your nice, shiny, spanking new Volt. You are stuck now until tomorrow and can drive home, into the wind this time. This trip used to take you half a day and you could go home and really rest from the visit, with one gas stop on the way.

Question: what do you do now??? ;^) (sounds of evil laughter)

35 posted on 08/10/2012 12:20:29 AM PDT by egfowler3 (Why do I even bother? No one's listening.)
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To: Nachum

Isn’t it great they are also closing about 20% of utility plants because they can’t meet EPA regulations? You think gas is expensive? How will you afford charging up your car? You ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

All by design and coordinated.


36 posted on 08/10/2012 12:39:50 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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And I believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, and the moon is made of green cheese.

Horse feathers, Government Motors. There isn't a battery in all Christendom that will make the Volt (or whatever re-branding you want to call it) a viable transportation vehicle that is efficient or affordable.

And, since Bambi's EPA is shutting down coal-fired power plants, the new wonder electric better have it's own gas or diesel denerating set to recharge the batteries because you won't find a place to plug it in to recharge.

37 posted on 08/10/2012 12:56:53 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: roadcat
What happens if your car sits around unused for a long time?

If you do not condition the battery (charge, discharge) for two weeks then the battery may die and the warranty is void. You can read here and elsewhere (see Google) about Tesla Roadsters that were converted into expensive bricks just because the owners foolishly thought that they bought machines that serve them - not machines that demand frequent and careful service from owners, like a tamagotchi.

Will the batteries out-vent toxic gas chemicals that combine with water vapor, thereby destroying the car and surrounding garage?

Li-Ion batteries are sealed, which means they do not breathe. However if they become shorted internally then they simply burn - the case expands, burns through, a white smoke escapes, and the whole thing becomes a major disaster area.

38 posted on 08/10/2012 1:18:39 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: DoughtyOne
we should never purchase another GM car of a vintage after the bailout?

I won’t buy a GM product as long as the Government and the UAW own the company.

GM was stolen from its rightful owners under the threat of force.

I will not support a company that is stolen property and I commend anyone the believes in freedom and the right to property to do the same.

39 posted on 08/10/2012 1:44:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Honda owner here. I will never buy another foreign-made vehicle like GM.


40 posted on 08/10/2012 2:56:06 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Nachum

Call me when its 1000 miles or a full week of normal driving in all weather.


41 posted on 08/10/2012 3:18:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Nachum
CleanCar
42 posted on 08/10/2012 3:18:39 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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Yeah, I’m thinking no song will be written about the Volt like Little Deuce Coup.

Adam Sandler already did.

Adam Sandler - Piece Of S**t Car
43 posted on 08/10/2012 3:29:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Nachum
Get back to us when you hit 400-500 miles per charge. And the charge is finished in 60 minutes.

Until then....fuggeddaboutit.
44 posted on 08/10/2012 3:44:16 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Nachum

Build a small trailer with a second bank of batteries and with a small generator that will charge either bank while you are traveling.

But of course the anal retentive morons don’t want the cloud of petroleum stink following their electrical icon of green success.


45 posted on 08/10/2012 3:46:32 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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To: Conservative4Ever
Yeah, I’m thinking no song will be written about the Volt like Little Deuce Coup.

And can't you just imagine car enthusiasts in 80 years searching the world for Volts they can restore and drive in the May Day parade? Or during Obama's Birthday Week?

46 posted on 08/10/2012 4:25:53 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Not for long, depends on a lot of factors and battery age. Lots of leaf folks are unhappy at how fast the batteries have lost their ability to hold a charge.

I think that's a key issue. Batteries just can't be trusted over time. Properly cared for they decline at a sort of predictable rate but drain them too much and all bets are off. At least with an 18 gallon gas tank you basically know how far you'll go today, tomorrow and 5 years from now.

47 posted on 08/10/2012 4:36:48 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: preacher

I love it! THAT belongs on a T-shirt.


48 posted on 08/10/2012 4:37:25 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Nachum
Why bother powering a car for 100 to 200 miles?

Put your research and money on something that will really sell, like a more powerful battery for smartphones.

As a wise man once said, "You know what runs on batteries? Toys!"

49 posted on 08/10/2012 4:44:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Nachum

I’ll take an electric SUV, and a pair of linesmans chaps with climbing spikes, a step down dry transformer, electrical cables with clamps.

So when gas is $40 a gallon and can only be bought if you have a security clearance my SUV will run around from power taken straight off a utility pole from a secure location.

Now I am actually beginning to see some merits of having a hybrid, much easier to gain access to electrical than a fuel storage tank.


50 posted on 08/10/2012 4:51:01 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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