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MSM Hysteria Again: The 47% Episode
Hugh Hewitt ^

Posted on 09/18/2012 4:01:52 AM PDT by Perdogg

As for the 47%: They don't. Pay income taxes that is. Which is why the case for tax reform has always been so hard to make. And why this week's effort by the MSM to drag Romney down won't work any more than last week's try by Obama's fans in the big media.

Interesting to see the reaction from left and right. HotAir's Allahpundit summarizes and correctly guesses that the left MSM will be declaring Romney dead tomorrow.

The right will be applauding the candor and encouraging more of the same. Already begun in fact.

The spin from the Manhattan-Beltway Obama chorus has been crescendoing for ten days, with "don't bother us with the the facts" statements such as the Washington Post's Philip Rucker declaring that Romney's biggest supporters knew his "momentum had stalled." (No evidence for this "stalling" is offered up by Rucker, and of course it is Obama's polling that has stalled and fallen as his convention bounce faded over ten days. Note the blue arrow pointing down at RCP's "national average" of polls.)

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To: muawiyah

He was talking about income tax, and you know it!

Why do you want Obama to win re-election so bad? All you do is campaign for Obama.


41 posted on 09/18/2012 7:42:31 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I have a great idea. Try not to guess what i have to say about anything outside of the topic at hand


42 posted on 09/18/2012 7:55:53 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

I have no intention of doing any such thing. We just do not see this the same way. There is nothing wrong with that and I never make it personal... ever.

LLS


43 posted on 09/18/2012 7:59:17 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("if it looks like you are not gonna make it you gotta get mean, I mean plumb mad-dog mean" J. Wales)
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To: MalPearce
He pretty much said he doesn’t even want their votes. He said he has no intention of doing anything for the likes of them even if he gets elected by them.

I don't believe that. I think he said that he has little chance of competing for their votes, not that he doesn't want them.

44 posted on 09/18/2012 8:24:05 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: KansasGirl
No, I don't know that. This particular debate has been going on for MONTHS and you have two sides ~ those who state the issue exactly as it was stated in the beginning based on the available data ~ and there's this other side made up mostly of sloppy debaters who don't give a darn since all they want is a chance to jump in and excoriate the poor for being poor, the elderly infirm for being elderly, the sick for being sick, and the unemployed for being indolent and lazy.

That's been the pattern all along and you don't want me to think one of the candidate is absurdly ignorant of what's going on. Or do you?

45 posted on 09/18/2012 8:25:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: KansasGirl
BTW, I am not now nor will I ever be campaigning for Obama ~ but you? Wouldn't put that past you considering that you have it on your mind so much.

So, tell us what is it that attracts you to Obamugabe? The crease of his pants perhaps?

BTW, next time you come to a debate please come prepared with something other than a kazoo.

46 posted on 09/18/2012 8:30:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Izzy Dunne
I heard the tapes ~ sounds like he's not seeking any support from lower income people ~ or Christians or disabled vets, social security recipients, etc.

Gotta' be an interesting outlook on life ~ but not one I share, but then again, he's not a Conservative, never will be a Conservative, doesn't know any Conservatives, and can't imagine what they would add to a campaign ~ he thinks there's this middle of 5% to 10% who are the only ones he has to campaign for and they'll make the selection.

47 posted on 09/18/2012 8:34:01 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LibLieSlayer
LLS, the claim is that he's not a marxists like Obama. However, this business of consigning people to being nothing more than economic machines who are easily motivated by small sums of money is pretty much Marxist.

So, do we simply have a different sort of marxist than the marxist the Democrats offer?

I can assure you that I know people are more than the bucks in their wallets ~ can you say the same?

48 posted on 09/18/2012 8:37:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: nobamanomore

There is no evidence whatsoever in your contention that there are people who pay no taxes whatsoever ~ that wasn’t true even in Communist Albania ~ everybody’s got a tax and they collect it one way or the other ~ it’s a fact of life on planet Earth.


49 posted on 09/18/2012 8:49:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

There are people who pay no income taxes, that is what this is about, not payroll SSI, Medicare, etc.


50 posted on 09/18/2012 9:10:19 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: nobamanomore
Hey, you get one side of the debate or the other. You said " 47% pay no taxes period "

I get the other side ~ not you. My contention is that no one gets out of life on this planet without paying any taxes.

So, you ready to make up your mind?

51 posted on 09/18/2012 9:20:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Izzy Dunne

You might be right, however these were his own words:

“My job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

That means he doesn’t see the point in canvassing for their vote, and if he’s not interested in their vote why would they expect him to do anything for them once in power?

OK, if we take “those people” to mean Obamabots, spongers, freeloaders, drug-addled parasites and the like then fair enough.

But as other people have pointed out, the 47% of people who don’t pay tax include, amongst other things:

1. Disabled people whose career options are limited and will work long hours for little money in dead end jobs to support themselves and their families

2. The retired population who may be full time carers, full time grandparents, church volunteers, charity workers

3. Mothers who regard being a mom as a full time occupation (know any war widows, or moms with severely disabled children? I do)

4. Some enormously wealthy “tax exiles” living near down the road in London (yep, I’m in England) who run multimillion dollar businesses based on the East Coast of the USA and whose wages are paid in the form of bonds, shares and other fiddles, through proxies and places like the Caymans, to ensure the government doesn’t get a grubby little cent

And the list of people who “pay no taxes” who aren’t Obama fans (much less “the undeserving poor”!) gets very long indeed.

It’s a very diverse 47%.


52 posted on 09/18/2012 9:32:29 AM PDT by MalPearce
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To: MalPearce
why would they expect him to do anything for them once in power?

When can we, as a nation, get away from the idea that the purpose of the Presidency in particular, and the government in general, is to DO THINGS FOR ME?

It's a damn cancer on this nation, and it's eating us.

53 posted on 09/18/2012 9:37:03 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: muawiyah

Really.

When you earn nothing - you pay nothing.

There are people on welfare, disability and god knows what else who earn nothing and get a government check. Those who use part of that government check to pay sales tax are not themselves paying the sales tax - it wasn’t their money to begin with and they didn’t put any work effort to acquire the money.


54 posted on 09/18/2012 9:54:44 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB
You are trying to split a hair thinking that will exculpate your erroneous argument.

According to d'Sousa, the original contention wasn't even that 47% didn't pay federal personal income tax, it's a bit more technical than that in fact, but it's being misused ~ and quite knowledgeably by Democrat agents.

So, let's say somebody's not on welfare ~ and they are down to their last $100 earned at a job. They've lost their job. The baby needs milk. They need some nutrition themselves so they buy day old bread, date expired lunchmeat, and some canned beans.

Their last $10 goes for a blue tarp so they can live in the woods.

They don't pay any federal income taxes at that point ~ according to the Romney ad hoc codicil they immediately become a hard core Democrat voter and can simply be ignored in this campaign.

I don't agree!

Might I suggest that some of you guys are suffering from a sort of psychological break that should be looked into!

55 posted on 09/18/2012 10:08:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Falcon4.0

I don’t believe that any of Romney’s comments are going to motivate the Obamugabe supporters to get out of bed and go to the voting polls on November 6th. This is all “white noise”.


56 posted on 09/18/2012 10:55:14 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Perdogg

“We are the 47%” sounds like a loser to me.


57 posted on 09/18/2012 11:05:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
MR said that we should focus on the others for the campaign.

MR said that? Try Karl Rove -- that's pure Rove, to go on and on about the 8% independents, the 330,000 housewives in 10 battleground States who are going to decide the election .... whenever they get around to looking at the TV.

And what will they see there? Georgie Clintonopoulos and Terry Moron taking turns with Brian Williams and Bob Schieffer, sticking knitting needles in their Mittens voodoo dolls.

"Hatey Katie" Couric is on in the afternoons now on ABC ... is that a coincidence, or did she get staked out there by the Lords of the Continuum to work over those 330,000 housewives watching daytime TV?

59 posted on 09/18/2012 11:16:16 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Cruising For Freedom
Both he and Obama have a high floor of diehards ....

He wishes.

Romney's floor is made up mostly of pissed-off conservatives who hate his guts. Good luck with that, Bishop.

60 posted on 09/18/2012 11:20:44 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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