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Has CNN done the debate word count?
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Posted on 10/19/2012 10:27:25 PM PDT by airedale

CNN executives justified giving Obama more time because he speaks slower and claimed they were doing a word count to justify it. They have been silent as far as I can tell. If Obama had said significantly fewer words they'd probably let us know. If he spoke significantly more words you know they'd never say anything. If it were only a few words different they'd keep quiet and hope it dies. Has anyone run the debate through a word processor like MS Word to get the count? I'm stuck with a stupid tablet rightnow so I cannot.


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1 posted on 10/19/2012 10:27:38 PM PDT by airedale
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To: airedale

I’ll do it! Ha! I’ll be the next Buckhead!


2 posted on 10/19/2012 10:33:53 PM PDT by MNDude (OWS Movement RIP)
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To: airedale

I keep wondering, did Candy Crowly have a readout on her screen with the number of words for each candidate?


3 posted on 10/19/2012 10:35:23 PM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: MNDude

Great.


4 posted on 10/19/2012 10:37:54 PM PDT by airedale
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To: theDentist

Heh! Can’t we all just agree that this was a farce! Whoops, that is not the same as can’t we just all get along.

Oh well...


5 posted on 10/19/2012 10:38:05 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: theDentist

Nah, probably a running count of her interuptions so she could maintain a 3 to 1 advantage for the anointed one.


6 posted on 10/19/2012 10:39:48 PM PDT by airedale
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To: airedale
"In number of words, it was Romney who came out ahead. He spoke 7,984 words -- 478 words ahead of Obama, who spoke 7,506 words." Per KETK

I'm guessing they didn't count "uh" as a word.

7 posted on 10/19/2012 10:50:23 PM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: airedale
"In number of words, it was Romney who came out ahead. He spoke 7,984 words -- 478 words ahead of Obama, who spoke 7,506 words." Per KETK

I'm guessing they didn't count "uh" as a word.

8 posted on 10/19/2012 10:52:03 PM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: PressurePoint

Apologies for the double post — but I was following Obama’s philosophy that if you keep saying the same thing over and over people will pretend to believe it just to get you to shut up.


9 posted on 10/19/2012 10:54:52 PM PDT by PressurePoint
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To: airedale

It’s an hour’s worth of work. If CNN were truly interested in backing up its statement, it would have done so by now.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/16/us/politics/transcript-of-the-second-presidential-debate-in-hempstead-ny.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0#h[]


10 posted on 10/19/2012 10:58:03 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: PressurePoint

Heh...thought it was appropriate and intentional...


11 posted on 10/19/2012 10:59:28 PM PDT by Deagle (quo)
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To: airedale

AFAIK, the word count has never been used to adjust the time allotted in a debate. Every debater knows that the pauses can be more effective than the words, and the pacing matters a lot.

It’s common today to give people with a “challenge” (e.g. stuttering) extended time on oral exams. CNN is essentially saying that Obama is a special-needs debater, and needed accommodations.


12 posted on 10/19/2012 11:03:42 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: MNDude

He speaks slower or is just slow! Either way he needs to get off that wall!!!


13 posted on 10/19/2012 11:05:22 PM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: tallyhoe

Can you just imagine a Republican having said, The black guy got more time because he speaks slower? Instant career-ender! These MSM pricks have such double standards.


14 posted on 10/19/2012 11:25:18 PM PDT by kevao (Is your ocean any lower than it was four years ago?)
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To: airedale

Does stuttering count?


15 posted on 10/19/2012 11:35:14 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: airedale

CNN is chock full of nuts!

The debater has to speed up his delivery. I don’t care if one guy only delivers 4 words per minute and the other guy delivers 50. Time should be equal.

Honest to God. These folks are all 13 years old. But mom, everyone else in my class has one! They’re all doing it. I’m the only one who isn’t.

CNN, go to your room.


16 posted on 10/19/2012 11:44:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: airedale

Maybe they did their average viewer count and then decided not to bother with any further counts.


17 posted on 10/19/2012 11:50:25 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Winning is Everything.)
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To: DoughtyOne

What Mitt has improved over the course of four years is that he has slowed down his speech pattern to coincide with the candle power of the rest of us. It’s more effective, but it’s still really fast.


18 posted on 10/20/2012 12:02:42 AM PDT by des
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To: des

I hadn’t noticed his speed of delivery, but thinking back I do believe you’re on the right track. His delivery hasn’t bothered me this year.

His delivery at the Alfred Smith (think that’s right) gathering on Wednesday night, was masterful. Some of his head ticks were identical to Reagan. He cadence reminded me of him as well.

Watching Katie Couric bust up behind him, reminded me of leading Democrats laughing heartily at Reagan, when he was delivery funny material.

I think Romney is connecting to far more people than we suspect right now. There’s going to be some very surprised and happy/unhappy people on the morning of 11/07/12.


19 posted on 10/20/2012 12:08:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: Zhang Fei

Nah, it’s probably pretty easy. Just copy and paste the transcript into a word program and it’ll give you the word count. I’ll go ahead and do it now.


20 posted on 10/20/2012 12:22:34 AM PDT by Optimus Prime (Do liberals even qualify as sentient beings?)
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To: DoughtyOne

Neither do I, but I do like rubbing it in their faces. A timed debate is just that.


21 posted on 10/20/2012 12:23:02 AM PDT by airedale
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I know I was on my high school debate team many, many years ago and was a member of Toastmasters for years. I just want to deflate their excuse for incompetence.


22 posted on 10/20/2012 12:26:20 AM PDT by airedale
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To: airedale

Yep, I’m on board with that.


23 posted on 10/20/2012 12:32:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: Optimus Prime
Ok, here's how it stands.

8,154 Words Romney
7,592 Words Obama
1,843 Words Crowley

So I guess it's true then. Barack Obama IS, in fact, a Special Needs Debater.
24 posted on 10/20/2012 12:51:41 AM PDT by Optimus Prime (Do liberals even qualify as sentient beings?)
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To: airedale

Affirmative action takes into account mental agility.


25 posted on 10/20/2012 12:52:15 AM PDT by NoLibZone (I know what it is to be Black,to be hated for who I am, more so than Whoppi does. I'm a Republican.)
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To: Optimus Prime

If you add the words of Crowley and Obama, it’s obvious that the libs not only had more time in the debate but also many more words. If anything, that’s reverse discrimination.


26 posted on 10/20/2012 12:55:03 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: airedale

CNN’s excuse for allotting more time to Obama is ridiculous since it could allow a candidate to use this sort of thing to totally dominate a debate and prevent the opponent from having time to respond in full.

Why is it Romney’s problem and why is Romney put at a disadvantage because of Obama’s method of speaking? It’s just more liberal BS excuse making.

Time is time and if the rule is 2 minutes to respond then the time ought to be strictly adheared to on behalf of both candidates. Perhaps a timer linked to each microphone which suts off the power would be the fairest of all.


27 posted on 10/20/2012 1:52:43 AM PDT by Lacey2
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To: airedale

CNN’s excuse for allotting more time to Obama is ridiculous since it could allow a candidate to use this sort of thing to totally dominate a debate and prevent the opponent from having time to respond in full.

Why is it Romney’s problem and why is Romney put at a disadvantage because of Obama’s method of speaking? It’s just more liberal BS excuse making.

Time is time and if the rule is 2 minutes to respond then the time ought to be strictly adheared to on behalf of both candidates. Perhaps a timer linked to each microphone which suts off the power would be the fairest of all.


28 posted on 10/20/2012 1:52:43 AM PDT by Lacey2
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To: airedale

I was in Toastmasters for a time too. I recall the “table topics”, where you had a couple of minutes to prepare a two minute talk on a topic you drew from a hat. That’s just like the time limit in these debates. The time limit forces you to chose the most important points, and put them in the best order — bearing in mind that just talking real fast isn’t usually a good way to influence people.

Obama’s speaking style put him in the White House (setting aside corruption, the MSM, etc. etc.) He certainly shouldn’t be given additional advantages because of it.


29 posted on 10/20/2012 2:20:33 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: airedale

Do you have the debate transcript?


30 posted on 10/20/2012 2:29:59 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: airedale
I hate scumbag libs. Always trying to move the goalposts and change the rules. The word count means absolutely nothing here, and they know it. They're just thumbing conservatives in the eye.

The candidates were supposed to have been allotted equal time, not an equal number of words they were allowed to speak.

To say word count and not minutes is the important measure is sort of like saying after the Olympics is over that the number of strides in the marathon was more important than the time needed to run the race and that, furthermore, only they, CNN, needed to be aware of that fact during the race... WHAT?

Each candidate knew he was supposed to get the same amount of time as the other guy and knew he could do whatever he wanted with his time: He could speak fast. He could speak slowly. He could speak loudly, or he could speak softly. He could tell jokes or he could stay on point, his choice. There are a lot of good reasons to speak slowly, for instance; the greatest orator isn't always a fast talker.

For CNN to come along now and say Obama was given more time because he spoke more ploddingly, or because he didn't raise his voice as much, or didn't stay on point as long as Romney is absurd. Someone at CNN deserves a monstrous hard kick in the gonads.

31 posted on 10/20/2012 2:32:51 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Optimus Prime

8,154 Words for Team Romney
9,435 Words for Team Obama/Crowley


32 posted on 10/20/2012 2:38:44 AM PDT by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: airedale

Where is the full version of the post-debate poll?

The one of the 1st debate is in the link in the 2nd para here:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/10/03/cnn-poll-romney-wins-debate-by-big-margin/?hpt=hp_t2

I defy you to find the similar one of Tuesday’s debate.


33 posted on 10/20/2012 2:40:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: airedale

Somebody help me out.

Is this the world’s first Affirmative Action debate?


34 posted on 10/20/2012 3:08:42 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Well bless his heart.


35 posted on 10/20/2012 3:37:43 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: airedale
Obama speaks as if he is channeling the love child of Forest Gump and Captain Kirk!

"Well, uhh... you know, Bones.. life is.... uhhh... like aaaa...box of choc-lates. Set...phasers...to stun!"

36 posted on 10/20/2012 5:14:14 AM PDT by Casie
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To: PressurePoint
I'm guessing they didn't count "uh" as a word.

And lest we forget; Obama makes the words "and" and "that" into 6 syllable words the way he draws them out between "uhs" and "ahs."

37 posted on 10/20/2012 5:19:29 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: kevao

These MSM pricks have such double standards.

They do!!


38 posted on 10/20/2012 9:54:08 AM PDT by tallyhoe
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Obama’s speaking style put him in the White House


His reading style greatly assists him. When he actually has to speak,
extemporaneously he reveals what a buffon he is.


39 posted on 10/20/2012 9:58:50 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: patriotspride

I stand corrected.


40 posted on 10/20/2012 12:01:12 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

No you are right, I just added the reading part to reinforce your point regarding
his verbal skills influencing people.

He sounds like he knows what he is talking about, but once you reflect on it,
you know he’s just using one liners and influencers to get what he wants.


41 posted on 10/20/2012 2:17:37 PM PDT by patriotspride
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To: airedale

As if CNN can count.

They can’t read either.


42 posted on 10/20/2012 2:20:11 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: airedale

Sure, but they are claiming the reason ODrama got more talking time than Romney was because he speaks slower, but the word count was close. But no one has asked: Who counted the words for each candidate?


43 posted on 10/20/2012 3:55:24 PM PDT by theDentist (FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: theDentist

Anyone with a word processor and a copy of the transcript which can be found on line. I cann’t do because for a while I am stuck with a tablet. It’s just a bit of cut and paste.


44 posted on 10/20/2012 5:35:34 PM PDT by airedale
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To: theDentist

Anyone with a word processor and a copy of the transcript which can be found on line. I cann’t do because for a while I am stuck with a tablet. It’s just a bit of cut and paste.


45 posted on 10/20/2012 5:35:36 PM PDT by airedale
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