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Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home
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Posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:10 AM PST by Arthurio

Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home!

As of right now, Romney has close to 56,000,000 votes nationwide. In 2008, John McCain had nearly 60,000,000 votes. (Per Wikipedia)

It looks like if all the people who voted for McCain turned out again and voted for Romney, we would have been rid of the Kenyan once and for all.

People stayed home.

It looks like all the Freepers who said they'd never vote for Mitt were not making idle threats


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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; newzjunkey; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ...
RE:”Rush is saying we are outnumbered today. Didn't he spend months saying to not believe the polls showing R/R behind?
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I didn't hear the show, but I suppose a simple “Sorry, I admit I was wrong about voter turnout” would be out of character for Rush”

Rush: Ignore It Limbaugh Says, Swing State Polls Are Bogus! (video posted 9/26/2012 )

You cant win a race when you throw away your compass and run in the wrong direction telling yourself you are ahead.

I woke up to Rush reality in 2006 when he said the Republicans would do good in that election, If he says something I am suspicious.

Today a caller told him that he(Rush) is the only one holding off Democrats. WOW, no amount of reality can wake up some.

201 posted on 11/07/2012 12:35:56 PM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: Arthurio

Or a significant numbers of votes were flipped from McCain to Obama. The days of stuffing ballot boxes is over...115% voter participation is easily discovered. Now they have machines that will flip your vote from R to D 1 in 20 times.


202 posted on 11/07/2012 12:37:59 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: 5thGenTexan

conservatives themselves split the vote and couldn’t agree between santorum and gingrich. Conservatives must unite behind a single candidate. There was no one to herd the cats and romney skated in.

this will happen again unless we get a good candidate that can unify conservatives and stop an establishment candidate from getting in. We will need candidates like marco rubio who can speak and persuade effectively acrosss multiple generations and reach these people. But even that will fail unless they are willing to take risks and expose liberalism for what it is. Romney is a RINO who had trouble with that.


203 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:42 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
I agree it would be sick if anti-Morman Christians let McCain get more votes than Romney. But it’s just as sick to assume that Obama is less liberal than Romney.

I assume you meant Obama instead of McCain.

That being said, those good Christians just re-empowered the party that thrice denied their God a place on the party platform.

I don't think He is pleased.

He has ways of expressing His displeasure.

204 posted on 11/07/2012 12:44:50 PM PST by null and void (Day 1387 of the Obama hostage crisis - Barack Hussein Obama an enemy BOTH foreign AND domestic)
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To: Mozilla

My son says that a big part of the problem was the Mormon issue. He says that a lot of people cannot get past that. He used to work for the University of Phoenix and he has had a very up close and personal experience with Mormons and their perspective on the rest of us. He doesn’t trust them any more than he trusts a Muslim to be honest with a non-believer. His view is not from a religious perspective, but rather from a personal perspective of trust. Working for the Mormons at the University of Phoenix was a really bad experience, they made him think that they liked him, gave him all kinds of awards, paid him some good money, but when it came down to promoting him, they turned on him. There biggest criticism of him was that he smile too much. He was their top enrollment counselor, winning the top award the last three quarters that he was there, doing everything that they wanted him to do, but in the end, they said that he was making them look bad.

It wasn’t the enrollment counselors that were the problem, it was the financial people who helped students apply for government loans for courses that they never intended to take and were never repaid.


205 posted on 11/07/2012 12:57:10 PM PST by Eva
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; S; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

“Allen West would have made a great VP attack dog and he is a vet. He could have taken the fight to Obama and America would know that the GOP is NOT just a club of rich white guys. “

That probably would have made the difference. West would attacked Obama.


206 posted on 11/07/2012 12:59:18 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: sickoflibs
I agree that sequestration is going to be devastating. I also agree that anyone who signed on to that was our enemy. I thought so at the time.

I don't know if it will or not. Too Much GOP hype as usual.  Well, I disagree with that, but it's not a disagreement that reaches the level of thinking you couldn't be right, at least in part.  You open with that sentence that essentially means the same thing.  We'll have to wait and see.  Is it too much hype?  I'm not sold on that yet.

You see how much they are spending?  It certainly got O through the election with little pain.  Yes, it did.  A number of times I have had to remind myself that Congress has the purse strings.  Problem is, we didn't take the Senate.  And boy did some of our candidates work to make that happen.

Republicans in this congress made the mistake of thinking they got a mandate when they had no real power and Obama knew to focus all negative attention on the ‘Republican congress’. Clinton did it in 1995 effectively too to win re-election.  I agree with this.  I honestly do think we could accomplish a lot more, even if just swaying public opinion, if we had a better speaker.  Boehner is a disaster IMO.

Now would be a good time for the Republicans to make O own everything bad. If taxes go up and those cuts go into effect at the same time the economy will slow some. They need to start calling it the Obama congress. Go back to 2009 and 2010 when all focus was on Dems.  I'm not sure 'the Obama Congress' will work when we have the majority in the House.  Focusing on the President's failings and the Senate blocking better plans, could be powerful.  I do think we need to tie more around these entity's necks.  Strangely though, I think quite a bit was tied around the president's neck during this campaign.  Perhaps you can explain why I am wrong, but I don't see it yet.

I always thought Ryan was a real crappy choice to team with Mitt, Another DC insider white guy to go with the rich white guy. What type of thinking was that?  Well in fact Romney was the outside Washington guy.  I'm not convinced Ryan had to be an outside Washington guy too.  Romney was a good ecnomic policy advocate, and Ryan pretty much fit like a glove there.  I'm not convinced there has to be a minority on all future tickets.  If someone comes along that is great, I would back it.  I thought Ryan was great too though.  Compare the guy to Biden, which is exactly what we should be doing, and he's head and shoulders better.  I liked some of the minority players some folks were pushing.  I just didn't think they were seasoned enough.  Another four years, and I might view their inclusion more favorably.  

Allen West would have made a great VP attack dog and he is a vet. He could have taken the fight to Obama and America would know that the GOP is NOT just a club of rich white guys. 
I've never bought into the idea that the Republican party is a party for rich white guys.  Conservative policies help the non-rich white guys better than the Leftist policies do.  For instance, were blacks better off yesterday than they were four years ago?  Unemployment figures reveal they weren't.  Hispanics had lost lots of jobs too.  This economy sucks for everyone, particularly for those at the bottom.

I have no doubt that Allan West is a good guy.  I'm still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.  I'm not convinced he would have pulled in more votes from the black community.  Why would they forsake a perceived black president, for a black vice-president?

Just because a guy agrees with us, it doesn't mean they are qualified to be vice-president, or in short order the president.

207 posted on 11/07/2012 1:03:32 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: null and void

” That being said, those good Christians just re-empowered the party that thrice denied their God a place on the party platform. “

Bingo!


208 posted on 11/07/2012 1:04:38 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: DoughtyOne; sickoflibs

” I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.”

A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.


209 posted on 11/07/2012 1:09:12 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: Mozilla

In WA State, where I live the Republicans lost across the board, even the incumbents lost. My thinking on that is that the Republicans tried to move to the left and embraced the unions, believing that if they supported the unions, the union workers would vote with the Republicans. We have a giant coal terminal that the Obama administration wants built in my county and has been working very hard to push through with the help of every Democrat politician in the state and the Republicans jumped on board the coal train with Obama. The Republicans still don’t get it that Obama is pushing the export of the sub-bituminous coal from the Powder River Basin, which is on federally leased land, owned by Indian tribes, while fighting the bituminous and anthracite coal on private land in the East.

What happened here is that the Republicans failed to offer anything different than Democrats, supporting the SEIU contracts, the teachers union, the ILWU and the RR union. Republicans don’t win elections by joining the unions against the private sector.


210 posted on 11/07/2012 1:14:46 PM PST by Eva
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To: DoughtyOne; sickoflibs; S; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy

Obama pulled 900 Executive Orders the first time. Expect this to double. Now for my tin foil hat. I am a man of finance, and what Obama has set us up for is a complete financial collapse.

1) Don’t buy anything you don’t need on credit.

2) Stay out of the stock market.


211 posted on 11/07/2012 1:18:27 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

I still return to the thought that folks aren’t going to vote out a black president in favor of a black vice-president.

If race trumps, then the position is king.

Maybe that’s flawed logic, but it’s all I’ve got. ;^)


212 posted on 11/07/2012 1:26:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

We’ve spent the last couple of years eliminating debt.

Most of it will be gone in January.


213 posted on 11/07/2012 1:29:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Good move!


214 posted on 11/07/2012 1:31:54 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker ((God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.))
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To: stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Impy; Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”” I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.”
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A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.”

Exactly. I didn't mean a better VP. I mean a better VP candidate against O to take the fight to him. Ryan said little as candidate. He offered nothing to the campaign and he sounded kind of wimpy.

I mean white males R+R with these voter demographics against Obama who tells them he cares and they don't? It was really stupid and unimaginative. Allen West could say "Look at my skin. It is real black and my great grand parents were slaves in American and I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery " . White males R+R couldn't say that.

But I don't blame Ryan for this . Romney was a terrible candidate and many here who said he was winning the past two months were just a year ago saying he couldn't beat O.

Romney wanted Ryan because he was easy to control and Ryan wouldn't say much. Ryan follows orders.

215 posted on 11/07/2012 1:41:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Obama-ney Care ))
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To: NFHale

Brother, you can’t fix stupid...


216 posted on 11/07/2012 1:41:59 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
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To: sickoflibs; newzjunkey; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale
You cant win a race when you throw away your compass and run in the wrong direction telling yourself you are ahead.

The truth of that statement transcends politics. David Bronstein wrote about a 1953 chess game, "To lose one's objectivity toward a position is tantamount to losing the game."

217 posted on 11/07/2012 1:42:59 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs
I’m still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.

A black can attack a black in public, and the MSM couldn’t/wouldn’t be able to pull the race card.

Exactly. I didn't mean a better VP. I mean a better VP candidate against O to take the fight to him. Ryan said little as candidate. He offered nothing to the campaign and he sounded kind of wimpy.

I think it's reasonable to post the periferal comments the above comment was clipped from.  It wasn't my only emphasis on the subject.

I've never bought into the idea that the Republican party is a party for rich white guys.  Conservative policies help the non-rich white guys better than the Leftist policies do.  For instance, were blacks better off yesterday than they were four years ago?  Unemployment figures reveal they weren't.  Hispanics had lost lots of jobs too.  This economy sucks for everyone, particularly for those at the bottom.  I have no doubt that Allan West is a good guy.  I'm still not convinced he would have made a better vice-president than Ryan.  I'm not convinced he would have pulled in more votes from the black community.  Why would they forsake a perceived black president, for a black vice-president?

I'm not convinced that Allen West would have brought in a single black vote for Romney.  Blacks predisposed to vote for Romney, did so.  Blacks predisposed to like Obama weren't going to be moved off that by a black Republican vice-presidential candidate.  By a large margin, the economy was the number one issue yesterday.  The Romney/Ryan ticket addressed that better than any other ticket could have.  Romney had a history in economics.  Ryan had a history in presenting plans to get our budget back on track  In the end, the voting populace didn't buy it.  Alan West trying to sell that, seems rather comical to me.  And what other topic was he going to present, that the facts floating around the current media weren't accessable already?

Just because a guy agrees with us, it doesn't mean they are qualified to be vice-president, or in short order the president.

I mean white males R+R with these voter demographics against Obama who tells them he cares and they don't? It was really stupid and unimaginative. Allen West could say "Look at my skin. It is real black and my great grand parents were slaves in American and I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery ". White males R+R couldn't say that.

You know, you're right.  "I can tell you that Democrats offer you another form of slavery", would definitely have won the day.  I can see millions of blacks peeling awI ay on that message.  /s  No, I'm not buying that and I doubt you really do either.  Who were blacks going to believe, a "rock star" black president, or an unkown black guy that was telling them something they couldn't (by choice) hear?  Uncle Tom doesn't sell to blacks.  That's exactly what blacks would have seen.

But I don't blame Ryan for this.  Good

Romney was a terrible candidate and many here who said he was winning the past two months were just a year ago saying he couldn't beat O.

I was one of those people.  In fact I was probably still saying something to that effect as late as March/April this year, just over six months ago.  That doesn't mean that I couldn't observe his campaign, take notice of his positive message, and also the fervor of his supporters.  The guy was on fire the last few weeks of the election cycle.

Romney wanted Ryan because he was easy to control and Ryan wouldn't say much. Ryan follows orders.

I think that's a disservice to Romney and Ryan.  Romney's message was centered around a fiscal conservative core.  Ryan was a natural draw related to that policy.  Ryan was easy to control?  He woudln't say much?  He would follow orders?

I disagree with Romney on a number of issues.  This doesn't even come close to being one of them.  Once the nominee was chosen, the vice-presidential selectee isn't going to challenge him on policy issues.
  To do so would be political suicide.  You work as a team to get the ticket elected.  The time to challenge Romney policy had expired.  When Ryan agreed to the ticket, that was water under the bridge.   

218 posted on 11/07/2012 2:25:38 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

I would agree with that analogy a lot more, if you could provide specific examples of policy you thought Romney/Ryan were hawking that revealed they were running in the wrong direction.

If you look at the speeches in the waning days of the campaign, I see very little evidence of what you are describing.

Am I missing something you two saw? Could be. Explain to me what it was.


219 posted on 11/07/2012 2:30:37 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: DoughtyOne; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3
RE :”I would agree with that analogy a lot more, if you could provide specific examples of policy you thought Romney/Ryan were hawking that revealed they were running in the wrong direction.”

The point of mine you were referencing was about how Romney campaigned as if he was winning when he was losing in critical state polls. So playing it light, dropping Benghazi, playing as if it was in the bag already was running in the wrong direction, not fighting aggressively.

The broken compass was Rush and others here saying all the polls were wrong and to ignore them. (I can probably dig up >50 posts that say this) I am sure Romney knew this was not true but he acted as if it was.

As far as policies go :I don't take POTUS campaign promises seriously esp if they require congress.

220 posted on 11/07/2012 2:40:36 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: DoughtyOne; sickoflibs
I would agree with that analogy a lot more, if you could provide specific examples of policy you thought Romney/Ryan were hawking that revealed they were running in the wrong direction.

I was replying to a post Here about how Rush said all the polls were wrong. If the GOP realized how stron the Dem turnout was going to be, maybe they could have put more work into that aspect. But drifting into victory clearly was not going to work.

Sometimes I think Romney could have said something different, or didn't say something he should have (Benghazi), but maybe there are too many dumb voters who were going to vote for O no matter what happened.

221 posted on 11/07/2012 2:50:15 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

HA_HA, he was asking me I thought. compare our answers


222 posted on 11/07/2012 2:51:36 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs
I would agree with that analogy a lot more, if you could provide specific examples of policy you thought Romney/Ryan were hawking that revealed they were running in the wrong direction.

The point of mine you were referencing was about how Romney campaigned as if he was winning when he was losing in critical state polls. So playing it light, dropping Benghazi, playing as if it was in the bag already was running in the wrong direction, not fighting aggressively.

I think that's a decent argument to make.  At the time he seems to have made it, he was rising in the polls without going negative.  The Benghazi story was getting lots of air-play without him having to push it.  Distancing himself from it, depoliticizing it had some positive aspects to it also.  The hurricane knocked that story right off the radar.  If he had clung to it, pushed it in that atmosphere, I'm not convinced it would have worked out positive for him.  It could have backfired too.

The broken compass was Rush and others here saying all the polls were wrong and to ignore them. (I can probably dig up >50 posts that say this) I am sure Romney knew this was not true but he acted as if it was.

There's a basis for saying that.  On the other hand there were reasons to think the polls may not have taken everything into consideration.

The polls did not seem to be taking into consideration that women, the youth, blacks, and voter fervor were waning.  Naturally we were going to look at some of this and make extrapolations.  Those extrapolations weren't all that hair-brained, when you look at the over-all vote.  The Democrat vote dropped considerably.  Where we were wrong, was thinking the Republicans would muster a larger vote based on the misguided and reckless Obama years.

I didn't see our side failing to get out the vote.  For that I do deserve to be taken to task.  I still don't think the take-away from the tea leaves I and others were reading, was all that misguided.  It was wrong.  It wasn't unreasonable.

As far as policies go :I don't take POTUS campaign promises seriously esp if they require congress.


Okay, some people will agree with that.  And if you and they do, then election campaigns mean nothing at all to you.  For millions of others, the campaigns do mean something to them.  I think we have to wage them, and do the best we can to present sound policies.

Look, I believe you and I agree that Romney was in ways a big North East liberal.  We probably also agree that once he was nominated, there were Republican across this nation who checked out.  I was one day short of being one of them.

Being someone who did not see Romney as our best bet, I none the less came to believe he was better than I had first thought he was.  I think there were things he would push, that I would appreciate.  Economic policy, national defense, eliminating most of Obamacare, not seeing our nation as a colonialist power needing to be taken down..., there were some things we could buy into.

IMO our downfall was that not enough Republicans were able to see this and buy in.  On the other hand, perhaps they shouldn't have.  We are left with the Kenyan, and his desire to take our nation down.

Now it is important the lessons we glean from all this.  This process is very important.  If we come up with the wrong conclusions and operate off them, we could make this loss exponentially worse.

223 posted on 11/07/2012 3:11:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

What I hadn’t counted on was the drop in Republican vote.

Astounding...


224 posted on 11/07/2012 3:21:00 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obama 07/12/2013: Things are tough, but the prior administration handed me a terrible situation.)
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To: Arthurio
It has to do with turn-out.

Nixon got more votes in 1960 when he lost than he did in 1968 when he won.

225 posted on 11/07/2012 5:07:21 PM PST by x
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To: sickoflibs
Allen West would have made a great VP attack dog and he is a vet. He could have taken the fight to Obama and America would know that the GOP is NOT just a club of rich white guys.

Do vice presidential candidates really affect things that much? When the media is so determined to take down the Republican candidate, they can pretty easily convince a lot of voters that his running mate isn't "really" Black. I know it shouldn't be like that, but there definitely is a double standard for Republicans and Democrats nowadays.

226 posted on 11/07/2012 5:15:44 PM PST by x
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To: The Cajun

reference bump!


227 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:14 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: x
RE :”Do vice presidential candidates really affect things that much? When the media is so determined to take down the Republican candidate, they can pretty easily convince a lot of voters that his running mate isn’t “really” Black. I know it shouldn’t be like that, but there definitely is a double standard for Republicans and Democrats nowadays. “

So the solution is Rush is going to buy an island and form his own country for white male baby-boomers?

I don’t see where the MSM media ‘took down’ Romney and Ryan. They may have protected Obama some on negative stories but the attacks on R+R were by the Obama campaign and independent Dem groups, and they were divisive and hateful.

Dems got out their vote and Rs had no plan to discourage those from voting, and the white male baby-boomers alone don't have enough numbers.

228 posted on 11/07/2012 5:41:32 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: x

I will agree that Romney ran things and could mute any VP candidate so they cant be effective, After all Ryan came off as weak and had to repeat all Romneys promises.

So VPs candidates can be non-effective. Cheney helped Bush in his two elections though.


229 posted on 11/07/2012 5:45:00 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs; Impy; All

“Today a caller told him that he(Rush) is the only one holding off Democrats. WOW, no amount of reality can wake up some.”

If one does the math, since RL went national in 1988, he’s 3-4 in POTUS elections. Some influence, eh?


230 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:43 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; Impy; Gilbo_3
RE :”If one does the math, since RL went national in 1988, he’s 3-4 in POTUS elections. Some influence, eh?”

I first heard Rush just after the 1992 election and became a regular listener but I was paying close attention the past few elections and he was wrong on 2006 AND 2008 and now 2012 with his poll comments.

I think he just says that Rs will win no matter what.
But after 2006 it really dawned on me that I don't want non-information dressed up as information to make me feel good for a few short months till reality sets in and boom. But last night was still uncomfortable for me.

I had to give up watching the Dems on cable a few days ago because I cant stand the gloating. Seeing what FNC and Rush say is more interesting now. I always watch the Dems when they lose.

Bill O Reilly surprised me tonight with a somber and rational analysis and I rarely praise him.

231 posted on 11/07/2012 7:09:23 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs

What did BOR say?


232 posted on 11/07/2012 7:22:20 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I will record him as it is repeated in less than 30 minutes and then will post it to you so I don;t screw it up

When Laura Ingraham got on FNC about 8 to 9 pm and she started talking about how “If Romney loses then....” I knew it was over,

The way the FNC commentators were talking last night like Britt Hume early on it was obvious that they all knew what was going to happen.


233 posted on 11/07/2012 7:35:59 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs

Thank you!

Yes, when Laura Ingraham got on FNC and said that...I knew.


234 posted on 11/07/2012 7:59:11 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

OK,
Tonight BOR said that Romney should have made Benghazi a center stage issue in the debates and after so the MSM had to pick it up.
I said that EXACT POINT a week ago and I got grief here from most. So I loved that one. SOL is always right :)

He said the hurricane Sandy changed things, we know that.

He said Hispanic voters came out to save O, we know that

He said Romney failed to come out and take the stage the last few days to change the direction back from sandy, good point

He said Romney had to convince independent votes that Obamas policies were dangerous and give details why warning of the cliff, good point

Obama ran as a populist not a liberal, but ruled as a liberal, good point

It was pretty good, and I dont like BOR. But it sounds like he was reading my comments LOL.


235 posted on 11/07/2012 8:16:24 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs; All

Thank you for the info. The comments are pretty much spot on.


236 posted on 11/07/2012 8:27:24 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (The autopsy will show that this nation committed suicide.)
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To: GOPsterinMA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
Laura Ingraham just offered some words of wisdom:

Republicans are making a mistake if they see this loss as election fraud or the MSM. They lost because they lost big

On her show she and Byron York pointed out that with the changing demographics you need a REAL conservative who believes in what he is running on to convince others,
not a phony who just says it because that is the party he won the primary in. They also talked about O running ads against Romney in the summer making R a rich elitist and Romney never took that on directly.

I like rational analysis.

The big losers : Coulter and Morris. Coulter specifically picked Christie and Romney because they could win.

237 posted on 11/07/2012 9:11:07 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...
The big losers : Coulter and Morris. Coulter specifically picked Christie and Romney because they could win.

In terms of reputation. Other losers, in terms of victims: Small businesses, churches, the military, small government

238 posted on 11/08/2012 4:24:05 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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RE :”The big losers : Coulter and Morris. Coulter specifically picked Christie and Romney because they could win.
........
In terms of reputation. Other losers, in terms of victims: Small businesses, churches, the military, small government”

Coulter was on Hannity and defended her GOP star power strategy in choosing Christie and then Romney. She also blamed the R primary saying those who cant win, those she don't pick, shouldn't be running.

She is blind on Romney,.

Back to the present.

Having won the election O is free to work with Boehner to do stuff that his lib base opposes like entitlement reform ..
If this is the path he takes House Republicans could work to make him look like a bipartision success, as with Clinton.

You see the market reaction?
Wouldnt it make sense for the House to not pass any tax cut extensions or spending cut repeals that Reid can get through the Senate? In other words :no more closed room deals?

The Bush blame excuse ended election day as O inherits his own accomplishments and so working with him to make him look successful seems self defeating, unless Boeher gets a really sweet deal. Like something O specifically campaigned against.
And stop their public statements that telegraph their punches, like bragging that they wont do stuff they are forced to cave on later anyway.

It would be nice if we had an effective opposition party, the last few ..(fill in) .. its been the delusional opposition party living in a fantasy world.

239 posted on 11/08/2012 5:44:29 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: sickoflibs
If this is the path he takes House Republicans could work to make him look like a bipartision success, as with Clinton.

Clinton went with what was popular. Obama is an ideologue. Such working together won't happen.

240 posted on 11/08/2012 5:48:00 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: sickoflibs

better check out those voting machines


241 posted on 11/08/2012 6:15:22 AM PST by dalebert
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To: ez

is anyone going to investigate the machines and who handles them..are they union made..do the chicoms make them...where do they come from and who sets them?


242 posted on 11/08/2012 6:17:11 AM PST by dalebert
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To: dalebert

You are a character :)


243 posted on 11/08/2012 6:24:00 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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RE :”Clinton went with what was popular. Obama is an ideologue. Such working together won't happen”

I am skeptical of your claim, O accepted and signed the extension of all the tax cuts late 2010 including cap gains and high income. Then he ran against it. In fact he ran against it before he signed it too. That talk was candy to his lib base. And it obviously workled for him too. But now who knows what he will try?

If he holds a hard line NOW then the automatic spending cuts and tax increases together will doom his party in the next midterm, unless the Boehner crowd are his bitches.

Wouldnt now be the time for the House to take a stand, while talking publically 'working together' ?

244 posted on 11/08/2012 6:54:18 AM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: Arthurio

So, what impact did Freepublic.com have relating to the Romney loss?


245 posted on 11/08/2012 8:48:10 AM PST by unique1
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RE :” The big losers : Coulter and Morris. Coulter specifically picked Christie and Romney because they could win.
......
In terms of reputation. Other losers, in terms of victims: Small businesses, churches, the military, small government”

Rush too, and those who gave lots of $$$ to Rove.

Today Brett Baur Grapeline did a ranking of polls by correctness and Rasmussen and Gallup were the most off using a 2004 voter turnout model. Shopping for a poll that tells you what you want to believe always backfires.

When you say churches I assume you mean Catholic Churches over that mandate. Well maybe if Catholics voted for Romney he would have won. But the mixed messages sent out by the CCs hardly inspired them doing that, even if so many of those who called themselves Catholics were actually opposed to birth control, which many are not.

246 posted on 11/08/2012 4:40:19 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: null and void

Well, we tried to warn the GOP that Romney might not be the best uniter of our base. We all knew he’d do a great job fiscally compared to Obama and possibly better than GW too. But we also knew that he had a lot of unnessassary baggage, such as changing his mind on abortion — not rock ribbed enough.

Whatever reason, now those ‘brilliant’ GOP establishment types think we need to hispander. Yeah, that’ll get us in ‘good’ with’em, right? /sarc


247 posted on 11/09/2012 9:50:04 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Mitt Romney has fewer votes than John McCain received in 2008! Republicans stayed home”

Face it....a bunch of so called ‘christians’ refused to vote for a Mormon! This is what their misplaced angst gets us.


248 posted on 11/09/2012 11:26:00 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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RE :”Face it....a bunch of so called ‘christians’ refused to vote for a Mormon! This is what their misplaced angst gets us”

I honestly dont personally know any Republicans who refused to vote for him. But I live in Maryland so I cant conclude much from that as we were irrelevent in that race as were you in CA.

There was something bigger going on than this claim about Rs not showing up. I mean did they refuse to vote for any Republicans House and Senate because they dont like Romney?How about Akin? That had nothing to do with Mitt.

Nationwide vote numbers are about as worthless as all those nation-wide polls being posted here BEFORE election day. Obama targeted those states he needed to win. I was warning about this here but most here seemed sure Romney would win easily and shopped for polls that said what they wanted to see. Rasm and Gallop were the most wrong.

249 posted on 11/09/2012 1:42:52 PM PST by sickoflibs (How could this happen? Romney going to win big. The polls were lies too)
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To: AuntB

>> Face it....a bunch of so called ‘christians’ refused to vote for a Mormon! This is what their misplaced angst gets us.

Only relevant in the battleground states.


250 posted on 11/09/2012 1:47:26 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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