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The Voters Who Stayed Home (The Key to Understanding the Results of the 2012 Elections)
National Review ^ | 11/10/2012 | Andrew McCarthy

Posted on 11/10/2012 5:13:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: JRandomFreeper
There you have it, folks. In a nutshell. GOP doesn't need conservatives.

what folks are you talking to? Full blown conservative here. Romney wans't my first choice, but I know that Obama with 3 SC openings may be the end of us.

I also know that Boehner and McConnell will put up little resistance against his agenda, and the agencies (EPA, Justice) are out of control, so Romey was the only way to stop that agenda. I know that a vote for Romney was our best shot of getting Obama off the scene and working things back our way.

What do you do to help matters? You fold your arms and say give me everything I want the way I want it or I'm going help blow it all to pieces. Who needs that in their party? Did your non-vote, or 3rd party vote help the country more than voting for Romney. the answer is clearly no. If you and others like you can't see that, as I said, you are no longer needed in the fight. You are a liability.

You do what you can in the primaries to get conservatives elected. Then you crawl over broken glass in the general to vote for the Republican when a tyrant like Obama is on the other side of the ticket. That's the fight. You're not up for it.
301 posted on 11/10/2012 6:40:36 PM PST by No Left Turn
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To: dfwgator

If I don’t move to Belize or Panama, I may move to Texas!


302 posted on 11/10/2012 6:42:29 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Lakeshark

Very well said, and 100% correct.


303 posted on 11/10/2012 6:43:30 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: Timber Rattler

...it ain’t, if it’s so......just sayin......


304 posted on 11/10/2012 6:44:14 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: No Left Turn
I'm not a republican, hero. I'm conservative.

If you want my vote, and you seem upset I didn't vote the way you wanted me to.... run a conservative.

Or keep losing.

Your choice.

You are bashing the person whose vote you need and didn't get.

Do you see a problem with that?

/johnny

305 posted on 11/10/2012 6:49:08 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I may move to Texas!

Let me be the first to not welcome you and ask you to shag @$$ back to the cess-pool you came from. We've got a buttload of lickspittle toadies down in Austin. Our stupid tank is full.

Welcome to Texas. Now go home.

/johnny

306 posted on 11/10/2012 6:53:32 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

The idiots who stayed home because “both parties are the same” are uninformed idiots. Perhaps they would have been correct, if it was a Chelsea Clinton running against Mitt Romney. But we had a card carrying marxist running, and the idiots remained willfully uninformed.


307 posted on 11/10/2012 7:00:40 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I cast my ballot for Virgil Goode instead of pro abortion, pro gay marriage Mitt Romney and pro abortion, pro gay marriage Barack Obama.

Even if I really believed Romney was pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage, which I don't, he knowingly chose a base of support that despises those things.

Since Goode's chances of winning the election were precisely zero, his beliefs are academic. Voting for him is an infantile gesture of self-gratification. In the end, any rational person can see that voting for Virgil Goode was consequentially no different than voting for Obama.

There is a moral blindness and fatal lack of maturity that gave the election to Obama, who is by all accounts neither competent nor decent rather than Romney who is extremely competent and a far better person than any of those who sat home on election day in judgement of him.

You are no more worthy of the nation you inherited than the average Obama supporter.

308 posted on 11/10/2012 7:03:04 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: JRandomFreeper

try and stop me


309 posted on 11/10/2012 7:12:28 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: hopespringseternal
Election is over. Your boy lost. Get over it.

Beating up on people, even eloquently, isn't going to change that fact.

How about looking inward, at what needs to be fixed?

/johnny

310 posted on 11/10/2012 7:12:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I can't stop you, without getting talked about by the neighbors, but I damn sure won't welcome you.

Do as you will. I certainly shall.

Lord knows I've dealt with enough pompous blowhards in my life.

I would suggest Austin, El Paso, or the coast, if you are firm in your intent.

I certainly don't want you here.

/johnny

311 posted on 11/10/2012 7:17:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If you want my vote, and you seem upset I didn't vote the way you wanted me to.... run a conservative.

I keep trying to tell you: Your non vote doesn't matter. Your kind is baked in the cake already. You're part of the baseline. You're the eternal background noise in society.

If you can't vote against a tyrant like Obama, what are you? You're not a conservative, you're a nothing. The vast majority of conservatives voted to stop Obama. You did nothing. You voted the way I expect your kind to vote. You didn't fail me in that. Your delusion that you helped America when you did nothing is what it is, because you are what you are. There's no avoiding your type - you're just there - always were, always will be.

You're sand on a beach where a battle is being fought.
312 posted on 11/10/2012 7:21:09 PM PST by No Left Turn
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To: No Left Turn
You're sand on a beach where a battle is being fought.

K. That's why you are upset with me. I'm sand. My vote doesn't matter.

Got it, I'll own it.

Your guy lost. What can you do to fix that? Yell some more? Insult someone else?

/johnny

313 posted on 11/10/2012 7:31:09 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Election is over. Your boy lost. Get over it.

Romney was NOT my choice. I was afraid he would do exactly what he did.

You need to face the fact of the primaries -- there were several better candidates and they couldn't survive primary voters like you who bolted to the next candidate every time CNN said something bad about them. You got played all the way through the election and you aren't self-aware enough to realize that every step of the way you did exactly what the media wanted you to do.

314 posted on 11/10/2012 7:33:29 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: JRandomFreeper

These people don’t have a clue that they are offending lurkers like me by berating you for exercising your own natural right to exercise your individual, independent judgment.

American citizens do NOT have to vote as a block for the Republican nominees nor anyone else. If any leaders want a solid supporter then they better _earn_ that support.

These people aren’t doing their favorite candidate any favors by attacking voters that weren’t sold on the message, by the actions, by the leadership. Maybe the GOP won’t take people for granted next time and tolerate what they did.


315 posted on 11/10/2012 7:36:35 PM PST by mbj
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To: JRandomFreeper
/johnny - You still here?

Yes. my guy lost. you did nothing to stop a tyrant. That's where we'll leave it. I look forward to your gun saving us all.
316 posted on 11/10/2012 7:38:46 PM PST by No Left Turn
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To: ansel12

Without a time line, such accusations are near meaningless.


317 posted on 11/10/2012 7:43:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: SeekAndFind

BS!! Stop posting why Romney lost - it is propaganda to fill your minds w/their garbage and to divert you from the real reason. OBAMA STOLE the ELECTION.


318 posted on 11/10/2012 7:44:47 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: HiTech RedNeck

After winning the nomination, Mitt came out against the republican platform on issue after issue, including abortion.


319 posted on 11/10/2012 7:47:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: hopespringseternal
I don't own a television. Got rid of the last one when I got rid of the last ex-wife, about a decade ago.

Do you own a television?

Your boy lost.

GOP wants my vote, they have to run a candidate this is pro-life, pro-2A, against socialized medicine, and has a record of reducing government.

/johnny

320 posted on 11/10/2012 7:51:23 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: presently no screen name

RE: OBAMA STOLE the ELECTION.

I have little doubt that in some places, there was fraud involved. However, is the fraud enough to give Obama over 2 million votes?

Now THAT, my friend is what you need to provide GOOD and CONVINCING evidence for.


321 posted on 11/10/2012 7:51:23 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: No Left Turn
You expect me to save you? That's a long wait where a train don't come.

Stop bad-mouthing conservatives that don't do things your way, to your satisfaction.

Stop lashing out in blind anger over your loss.

Take a deep breath. Pray for a minute or two. Hell, pray for me, I can always use prayers.

But stop with bashing. It's over.

/johnny

322 posted on 11/10/2012 7:56:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You expect me to save you?

sarcasm. I expect you to save nobody. You can't even vote against what you know to be a dangerous, lawless tyrant. Sure, I'll pray for you - happy to do it.
323 posted on 11/10/2012 8:13:53 PM PST by No Left Turn
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To: No Left Turn
Thank you. I always stand in need of prayer. I'm a sinner and a cook.

/johnny

324 posted on 11/10/2012 8:24:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: hopespringseternal

“really believed Romney was pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage, which I don’t”

I’ll cut you off right there. Our dispute is one over factual evidence. He IS pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage.

If we don’t agree on an assessment of Mitt Romney - then we aren’t going to agree on the prescribed course of action.

“moral blindness”.

No, sir. I have worked with many people like Mitt Romney. And they are all the same. They will say whatever they believe will get them the most votes, not what their convictions actually lie.

You’re welcome to vote for pro-abort, pro- gay marriage Romney, but here’s the deal. I am not going to forget your words here.

Do you really think I’m going to regard your opinions as worthwhile from here on out? No.

Anyways, I’m proud I voted for Goode and Cruz - two solid prolifers who earned my vote. I hope to vote in 2 years and 4 years for more solid prolifers who earn my vote.


325 posted on 11/11/2012 1:18:27 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Fine, you believe that. I am not even going to dispute it except to say that I find the evidence for that to be underwhelming.

If we don’t agree on an assessment of Mitt Romney - then we aren’t going to agree on the prescribed course of action.

Vote for Obama? No thank you. You can engage in your self-gratification and go that route. Romney's biggest mistake was in how he campaigned. I 100% agree that it was a mistake to nominate him, but Texas didn't get to take part in that decision.

Do you really think I’m going to regard your opinions as worthwhile from here on out? No.

Any why would I care about the opinions of an Obama voter? I am completely content to ignore you because you will never really matter in an election except to endorse the person who wins by your non-action. You voted "present" just like YOUR President Obama you helped put in office.

326 posted on 11/11/2012 6:05:22 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal

And you continue to lie. I voted for Goode and Cruz.

If you’re going to put words in my mouth, get them right.


327 posted on 11/11/2012 6:56:35 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I am not lying; but consequentially, voting for Goode is no different than voting for Obama. You made the decision that the nation could put up with Obama for four more years so long as you got to record your protest vote against Romney.

You did exactly what the MSM wanted you to do. Maybe if you tell them they will give you a cookie.

I don't expect to convince you and since you live in Texas it ultimately didn't matter anyway. But ultimately failing to defeat Obama may mean the end of any hope of ever electing another conservative. The debt is already at the tipping point. Another $6 trillion in debt will probably do irreparable damage. You aren't going to get to just pickup the pieces and move on -- the worse it gets the more entrenched will become the notion that people have to have an Obama-like savior and the more fearful they will be of the conservative ideal that they must fend for themselves.

328 posted on 11/11/2012 12:00:28 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal

“voting for Goode is no different than voting for Obama.”

Nonsense. A vote for Obama requires a Romney vote just to equalize. A vote for Goode does not require a Romney vote to equalize.

“You made the decision that the nation could put up with Obama for four more years”

I voted against Obama, so, no, I didn’t vote so that the nation could put up with Obama. I voted so that the nation could elect Goode. I cannot control what other people choose to do. I can only control myself.

“You did exactly what the MSM wanted you to do”

No, you folks did by nominating Romney, you guaranteed an Obama win this time around. FReepers here were pissed back in February because they knew Romney would fold to Obama. Sure enough, that’s exactly what happened.

Now, you’re trying to blame conservatives for the loss, because we stayed home. Good luck winning an election without us. Nominate a conservative next time.

“The debt is already at the tipping point. Another $6 trillion in debt will probably do irreparable damage. You aren’t going to get to just pickup the pieces and move on — the worse it gets the more entrenched will become the notion that people have to have an Obama-like savior and the more fearful they will be of the conservative ideal that they must fend for themselves.”

We warned you this before you nominated Romney in the primary. Our concerns fell on deaf ears. Next time nominate a conservative.


329 posted on 11/11/2012 12:42:31 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: JCBreckenridge
No, you folks did by nominating Romney

Romney wasn't just the choice of the republican establishment. He won because conservatives could not stick with one candidate but tried each one in turn and abandoned each one on the first mistake. In the end, Romney was just as much your republican candidate as Karl Rove's.

At every step of the way republicans behaved like spoiled children trying to teach everyone a lesson rather than disciplined people working to accomplish something.

330 posted on 11/11/2012 1:14:23 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal

I don’t see why you’re blaming me? I supported Cain till he withdrew, then Santorum till he withdrew.

I cast my primary ballot for Santorum when Texas came around.


331 posted on 11/11/2012 1:31:11 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: World'sGoneInsane
McCain got more Mormon votes than Romney.

Could it be because liberal Mormons follow the popular Harry Reid of Mormon-heavy NV?

332 posted on 11/11/2012 8:09:23 PM PST by Theodore R. (Once again the American people have been found sorely wanting. I think it will continue.)
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To: sickoflibs
When was the last time you heard a Republican explain what departments and entitlements he’d slash to pay for that? In fact, when did the GOP last explain how a country that is in a $16 trillion debt hole could afford to enlarge anything besides its loan payments?

'R's dont speak of these things...gilbo says take a friggin meataxe and chainsaw to it...yep it might kill the economy, but its a done deal on the current path...and it would be fun to watch the gubmint drones miss a few meals...

Republicans talk about limited central government, but they do not believe in it — or, if they do, they lack confidence that they can explain its benefits compellingly. They’ve bought the Democrats’ core conceit that the modern world is just too complicated for ordinary people to make their way without bureaucratic instruction.

the douchebags dont lack for confidence, they would just rather play princes in hopes of someday being kings...either way they are the elite uppercrust that makes bank...

For Americans who don’t see much daylight between the two parties — one led by the president who keeps spending money we don’t have and the other by congressional Republicans who keep writing the checks and extending the credit line

yeah, hows that controlling the pursestrings thing workin out...maybe these inbred homos in DC should put down their purses and fight a lil bit...???

but alas, as already stated, they dont want to jeapordize their cushy gigs...

333 posted on 11/11/2012 8:38:53 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: SeekAndFind
On one hand, I've been seeing threads concerning possible massive voter fraud on the part of the Democrats. Here's a representative link.
Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012
On the other hand, I also see threads, like this one, indicating that many conservatives stayed home.

So is the problem either one or the other, or a combination of both?

If the voter fraud is real then there needs to be a recount imo.

334 posted on 11/11/2012 8:46:28 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Gilbo_3

Have to get to this tomorrow, too busy playing with my food :)


335 posted on 11/11/2012 9:11:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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