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BREAKING: Massive Voter Fraud in St. Lucie County, Florida [False assumption? Two card ballot?]
Townhall.com ^ | November 10, 2012 | Heather Ginsberg

Posted on 11/10/2012 4:05:42 PM PST by Kaslin

On Tuesday only one precinct had less than 113% turnout. “The Unofficial vote count is 175,554 registered voters 247,713 vote cards cast (141.10% ). The National SEAL Museum, a St. Lucie county polling place, had 158.85% voter turn out, the highest in the county.”

The Supervisor of Elections, Gertrude Walker, had this to say concerning the 141% voter turnout: “They may have had something like that in Palm Beach County, but we’ve never seen that here.”

So maybe Allen West wasn’t crazy to ask for a lock-down on the ballot boxes and machines in this county. According to the report given the day after elections, Allen B. West garnered 52,625 votes in St.Lucie county and Patrick Murphy 65,896 votes.

This is a problem that must be addressed right away. There is no reason that there should ever be more than 100% turnout. This county alone could have cost Allen West his election. Voter fraud is real, and it is time that this be solved.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012fraud; 2012swingstates; allenwes; allenwest; debunked; elections; fl2012; florida; fraud; voterfraud; voterfraudprevention; west
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To: Rockingham
The civil rights movement of the 1960s spurred a generational and cultural discontinuity in the Black community parallel to that among whites.

Definitely, there is validity to that explanation, as well.

151 posted on 11/10/2012 11:09:23 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: lonevoice

ping


152 posted on 11/10/2012 11:13:59 PM PST by Pride in the USA
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To: butterdezillion

In my polling place, we had a three-card ballot. The first card contained federal and state races, the second card contained state initiatives, and the third card contained local races. All three cards were double-sided and fed into an optical scanner.


153 posted on 11/10/2012 11:34:36 PM PST by thecodont
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To: butterdezillion
But the tabulation of undervotes tells me that they kept had to have a way to know which page 1 goes with which page 2 - which suggests some kind of serial/ballot number that matched page 1 to page 2. And if that was the case, it makes no sense for the software designers (literate people being paid to do a specific, detail-oriented job) to use the number of pages cast to calculate the “% Turnout” on their summary report.

For my three-card ballot I cast on Tuesday, here's how each card was numbered (per the strip torn off each card I got to keep as a sort of receipt):

Side One: A-Card 1, [number1] [(number2)] [number3] BT:3 (right side)
[number4] - POLL, [number5] [barcode square graphic]
Side Two: [number4] - POLL, [number5] [barcode square graphic]

Side One: B-Card 2, [number1] [(number2}] [number3] BT:3 (right side)
[number6] - POLL, [number7] [barcode square graphic]
Side Two: [number6] - POLL, [number7] [barcode square graphic]

Side One: C-Card 3, [number1] [(number2}] [number3] BT:3 (right side)
[number8] - POLL, [number9] [barcode square graphic]
Side Two: [number8] - POLL, [number9] [barcode square graphic]

There were three numbers consistent between the three ballots, and two which were unique to the ballot. I believe the "BT:3" indicated there were three cards per ballot.

154 posted on 11/10/2012 11:58:00 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont; butterdezillion
There were three numbers consistent between the three ballots, and two which were unique to the ballot. I believe the "BT:3" indicated there were three cards per ballot.

Ack. I meant to say, there were three numbers consistent between the three CARDS, and two which were unique to each CARD.

155 posted on 11/11/2012 12:04:47 AM PST by thecodont
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To: Kaslin

What about Ohio, Colorado, and Pennsylvania ?

Did those states have ballots with more than one page?


156 posted on 11/11/2012 12:16:56 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Ray76

If Rep. West wasn’t in any of the counties allowed extra days to vote, would he have a case under the equal protection clause?

Would he also have a case under the voting rights act?

And how about discrimination on account of racial background?

He went and voted, but wasn’t given those extra days :)


157 posted on 11/11/2012 12:35:19 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

His District covers all of St Lucie and Martin counties and part of Palm Beach county.


158 posted on 11/11/2012 4:27:34 AM PST by Ray76 ("We're ready to be led" - John Boehner, leader of the opposition)
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To: Kaslin

I had a two card ballot this year. The totalizer number on the ballot receiving machine only registered one vote after I inserted both pages. I can’t believe that other jurisdictions didn’t calibrate their machines correctly.


159 posted on 11/11/2012 4:36:46 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

What would the machine have registered if you had only inserted one card and walked out with the other one???


160 posted on 11/11/2012 6:41:43 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Kaslin

If this is because of a 2 card system WHY ARE THE CARD #’s ODD NUMBERS?


161 posted on 11/11/2012 7:04:36 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: struggle

Because there are some that didn’t cast the 2nd Card. The fraud isn’t there. It’s in the Blank Votes that appear on the first Card [and 2nd].

According to St Lucie stats, about 4500 people voted for President and then turned their cards in without voting for anything/anyone else — even Senator or House seats even though they were hotly contested.

That defies logic —

http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf%20Docs/2012%20General/GEMS%20SOVC%20REPORT.pdf


162 posted on 11/11/2012 8:20:01 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: deport

St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections Gertrude Walker has gone to ground and is lawyering up. We assured they were involved in the fraud. Obama is going to tear this country apart.


163 posted on 11/11/2012 9:07:57 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: butterdezillion

IF Romney does not challenge the election, then he is no better than Pontius Pilate, and washing his hand of the people of the United States, and resigning them to their fate.


164 posted on 11/11/2012 9:18:19 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: Kaslin

I spoke to a Democrat that said whe went from VA to PA to help register voters that were convicted felons during the elections?? She actually wrote it to me in a message on Facebook..isnt this illegal? And if so how can I report her?


165 posted on 11/11/2012 12:38:33 PM PST by Jessica2677 (We got this :))
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To: butterdezillion

And now the “birthers” have been legally vindicated through HI state registrar Alvin Onaka’s confirmation that Obama’s HI BC is not legally valid and the WH image is a forgery.


Apparently, I have missed this... Or is this sarcasm?

I peruse FR everyday...

Please enlighten me.


166 posted on 11/11/2012 12:51:19 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: machogirl
You wanted an "Official" response, here it is:

NOTE* - TURNOUT PERCENTAGES WILL SHOW OVER 100% DUE TO A TWO PAGE BALLOT. NOT ALL VOTERS VOTED THE SECOND CARD CONTAINING THE AMENDMENTS (link)

167 posted on 11/11/2012 4:21:33 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Jessica2677
I spoke to a Democrat that said whe went from VA to PA to help register voters that were convicted felons during the elections?? She actually wrote it to me in a message on Facebook..isnt this illegal? And if so how can I report her?

Nothing illegal about that. Felons who have been released from prison are eligible to vote in Pennsylvania, even if they are still on probation or parole. I believe felons in prison are actually eligible to register to vote, as long as they will be freed prior to election day.

Dems run felon voter registration drives in PA (and other similar states) because (a) felons tend to vote D (for obvious reasons), and (b) most such felons are not aware that they are eligible to vote.

168 posted on 11/11/2012 4:26:37 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Glad they did it.

I wish she would honor her Website proclamation that ALL the early ballots would be counted.

Thank you for the link. ;)

I will check it out.

Today, the woman wasn’t even talking to the press and they were all kicked out.


169 posted on 11/11/2012 4:33:19 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, it's back. 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

She must have finally posted that within the last two hours or so. lol

There are now larger fish to fry with this woman.


170 posted on 11/11/2012 4:36:03 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, it's back. 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: machogirl
I wish she would honor her Website proclamation that ALL the early ballots would be counted.

Agreed.

171 posted on 11/11/2012 4:38:17 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

I vote for their county money that they pay her, go somewhere else.


172 posted on 11/11/2012 4:42:50 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, it's back. 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: lyby

Here’s an earlier post that gives links to help you fully understand how Onaka’s verification in response to the specific request by AZ SOS Ken Bennett, done in accordance with HRS 338-13.3, confirms that Obama’s BC is legally non-valid. I confirmed the legal reasoning not only with Larry Klayman but also with 2 other attorneys, one of whom has argued cases against Obama that relied on the claims from Obama’s HI BC. But the point at which I realized this reasoning is sound was when I saw that the lawyer for MDEC, who is one of the Fogbow folks, actually patterned his request in order to accommodate Onaka’s disclosure that the record is non-valid. That is explained in the “Wheel of Fortune v Family Feud” link. So what we’ve got right now is 4 lawyers - including one on behalf of Obama and another whose past arguments depended on the HI BC being legitimate - who have all affirmed this legal reasoning. When I spoke with the legal counsel for NE SOS John Gale, he would/could not refute the legal reasoning, but rather first denied that Bennett had even requested the date of birth, etc to be verified and then after he had to admit that Bennett HAD requested that verification he finally said that he doesn’t have to care what HI said to AZ and could/would not take the time to analyze the argument that had been sent to him. That’s a lot of agreement and/or silence from a lot of people including those hostile to the final conclusion reached by the reasoning. I don’t know how you get more legal consensus than that.

Here’s that post:

The Hawaii state registrar, Alvin Onaka, has legally confirmed that he cannot verify any of Obama’s claimed birth facts - presumably because the birth certificate they have is not legally valid, since Onaka has verified that the claims on the White House BC image “match” (but are not identical to - as per his response to KS SOS Kris Kobach) the claims on the original record.

In addition he has confirmed that the White House image is NOT a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”.

Without a legally valid record from Hawaii, there are no legally-determined birth facts for Obama saying he was born in Hawaii in 1961 to any US citizen. At BEST his eligibility cannot be legally known, and the chances of him having a non-valid BC if the claims on his Hawaii BC was correct is practically zero.

A legally non-valid BC for Obama explains why the 1960-64 birth index was altered to include names from legally non-valid records. Prior to Obama’s long-form forgery being made public, AP reporter Mark Niesse admitted in a public article that Obama’s name on the birth index list was the only concrete piece of evidence from the HDOH that Obama was born in Hawaii - yet now we know that the index tells us nothing about whether a legally valid Hawaii birth record exists for ANYBODY.

IOW, there is no positive evidence from Hawaii, and now the HDOH has confirmed that they have NO positive evidence of a Hawaii birth for Obama. And Obama posted a forgery to hide that fact.

See http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf to understand how Onaka verified these things.

See http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf to read the letter Attorney Larry Klayman sent to DNC Counsel Bob Bauer warning him that any certification of Obama’s eligibility or candidacy would be perjurious and fraudulent. CC’s of that letter were sent to every member of the DNC Executive Committee, every member of the Committee on Presidential Debates, every state democratic party chair, every state Secretary of State, and every state Attorney General.

See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2012/09/21/birth-index-list-does-not-indicate-legally-valid-record/ for proof that the 1960-64 birth index includes names from legally non-valid birth certificates.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2954935/posts?page=32#32 for a summary of how the letter of verification unfolded.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2954935/posts?page=37#37 for my theory on how Obama’s fraud transpired and why.


173 posted on 11/11/2012 4:49:59 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

from your post to me:

“That is explained in the “Wheel of Fortune v Family Feud” link.”

Ya lost me with that... WTF?


174 posted on 11/11/2012 4:59:08 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: RGSpincich

And if you inserted only page 1 and somebody behind you inserted only page 2, would 2 undervotes be recorded, or only one complete vote?

What I’m saying is that if people are allowed to walk off with half of their ballot and there is no internal way for the computer to know how many complete BALLOTS were handed out, then the system is almost DESIGNED to allow fraud, since there is no way to audit the results.

If they had a way to know the number of BALLOTS cast, then it was stupid of them to use the field for the number of CARDS cast to calculate the turnout for the Presidential race. Only the first card would apply to the Presidential race. If they wanted to make the calculation reflect the turnout in the Presidential race alone (which is what that page of the report was about, not about the entire ballot), they should have counted how many PAGE ONE CARDS were cast.

If the writers of this software were this negligent then their incompetence is dangerous. If they made this flawed design deliberately then their treason/lawlessness is dangerous. Take your pick.

There are other fish to fry with this particular elections office. Hopefully Allen West will fry the fish from his end. Apparently Romney doesn’t have the stones to fry his own fish.


175 posted on 11/11/2012 5:07:54 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: KTM rider

If the election system cannot be audited, it is worthless.


176 posted on 11/11/2012 5:20:52 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: lyby

One of the links in the post was to a post I wrote, entitled “Wheel of Fortune v Family Feud”, at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf

That post explains how the Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee’s request for verification differs from Bennett’s, and reveals how the MDEC request was fashioned specifically to accommodate Obama’s legally non-valid BC in Hawaii.

Does that help? There’s a lot of information but basically it comes down to the fact that Hawaii statute requires the registrar to verify whatever a qualified requestor submits, if the registrar can certify that it’s the way the birth really happened. If they have a legally-valid record, Hawaii vouches for the accuracy of the claims, and it’s up to the challenger to prove that the claims AREN’T true.

IOW, if there’s a legally valid record the “call on the field” from the State of Hawaii is that the claims are true. Those claims can be legally challenged by a review of the instant replay, but unless there is enough evidence to overturn the call on the field, that call stands.

Onaka would not verify any of the birth facts that Ken Bennett submitted. He confirmed that the facts submitted “matched” what they have on their record, so the only reason to not verify/certify them is if the record they have is not legally valid; Hawaii will not vouch for (certify) the truth of those claims because the record itself is legally suspicious (non-valid).

IOW, the call on the field is that the claims are NOT true. Anybody who wants to LAWFULLY/LEGALLY say that Obama WAS born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu, HI to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama has to show from the instant replay evidence enough to OVERTURN the call on the field.

Clear as mud?


177 posted on 11/11/2012 5:25:01 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Or worse - an accomplice to election fraud.


178 posted on 11/11/2012 5:29:17 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Clear as mud?


absolutely

Thank you for clarification...


179 posted on 11/11/2012 5:33:07 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: butterdezillion

Apparently Romney doesn’t have the stones to fry his own fish.


I definitely concur with your statement. What a fiasco. What a disaster. Where are our MEN? Where is Patrick Henry... oh, that’s right, he is DEAD.


180 posted on 11/11/2012 5:36:39 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

I probably gave too much all at once - something I do way too often. I can take it a piece at a time if that would help.


181 posted on 11/11/2012 7:18:23 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: cinciella

Obviously you don’t get it, they are all part of the same club. At least the establishment ruling class is, which is why you will not see any Leadership wonks do or say anything about voter fraud. They don’t like thos rascally tea party types either and would rather lose so as not to upset the apple cart so to speak.


182 posted on 11/11/2012 8:06:32 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: butterdezillion

I have just completed reading your information, and my response is a jaw-gaping, “WOW.”

Thank you for your research and writing efforts - commendable.

Is anybody listening and acting upon this?

I had thought after all the legal shenanigans in GA, SC, AL, and whatever other states, his BC was a moot point...

Actually hope the truth of the matter is the end of his “reign”.


183 posted on 11/12/2012 7:59:34 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

If you’ve read what I gave you, you are the one to be commended. You have done more than I can even get my extended family to do.

Nobody will touch this. The rule of law be damned.

I had somebody submit a comment to my blog, admitting that they had committed the felony of helping create Obama’s forged BC. They said my resistance was futile because Obama is immune from prosecution and so are they. Said that the FBI knows they did this and will cover for them. Also said that *I* would end up in jail. Considering the NDAA allows the feds to detain indefinitely anybody who is a “belligerent” (which is undefined so it’s up to Obama to define it....), I don’t consider that a vain threat, if this poster was genuine.

So I tried to check into whether the poster was genuine. What I can tell you is that they used a gateway to hide who they really are and when a VERY talented hacker got close to finding out who they really are, he hit a tripwire that totally fried his computer.

The same people who publicly BOASTED that they created a forged Kenyan BC which they gave to Orly Taitz.... went to the trouble of using a gateway and setting up tripwires to destroy anybody who got close to finding out who they really are when they admitted to creating Obama’s forgery. Methinks they are not joking on this one.

Angered by something I had said, they admitted that I was totally right. But they said I should give up, because I will never find anybody who will take the rule of law seriously.

That’s where we’re at. I’ve said from the outset that this is an issue of the rule of law, and that America no longer has the rule of law. People need to realize that this is the confidence that the Obama regime has: nobody will ever hold them accountable to the law, on ANYTHING they ever do.

There is now nothing that is impossible to them.

People need to absorb what that means.

My husband and children have absorbed it. They know my days could well be numbered. Yet the government would claim I have no standing to challenge Obama in any way; I haven’t yet been hurt badly enough. When I’m dead it will be too late. When I’m in Gitmo there will be no way to challenge anything. That’s where we’re at.


184 posted on 11/12/2012 9:21:41 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I recall having read about the computer “trip wires” in some of your writings. Unbelievable...

My computer is pinging me as I type... No new messages on any of the sites I am logged onto... Curious. (Now I am sensing paranoia - LOL)

You hang in there and keep up the excellent research and writing. Something GOOD must happen from all of this!


185 posted on 11/12/2012 9:56:05 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: butterdezillion
What I’m saying is that if people are allowed to walk off with half of their ballot

They were not allowed to do so. I witnessed a fellow voter telling the worker that no vote was cast on page 2, response was that both ballots must be deposited.

186 posted on 11/14/2012 4:54:50 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: RGSpincich

Where was that at?

See, I would never even THINK of doing anything with the ballots except vote on them and then put them in the sleeve as instructed. That’s why it didn’t even occur to me that somebody would submit half a ballot. But unless that’s what happened 300+ times these numbers don’t add up.


187 posted on 11/14/2012 10:32:23 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Kaslin; All

Our ballots did not contain a straight party choice. Any know if that’s required? Thanx.


188 posted on 11/16/2012 9:39:35 AM PST by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: butterdezillion

Sorry to be so late reading this and responding to it. By what theory (if you can imagine) is Obama “immune” from prosecution?


189 posted on 11/26/2012 8:40:00 PM PST by Greenperson
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To: Greenperson

I just had a discussion a while back regarding whether a sitting POTUS can be charged with crimes without first being impeached. The view set forth was that while a POTUS is in office they are immune from prosecution except by Congress through impeachment. If Congress finds him guilty in the impeachment process then the law enforcement system also deals with him, but without impeachment criminal justice prosecution has to wait until after he leaves office. And of course, as long as he is in office he can pardon anybody he wants so his partners in crime are off the hook too.

I think that is a recipe for disaster, and I cannot believe that the Founding Fathers would have put that system in place. I haven’t researched it thoroughly but my gut-level reaction is that this so defies the rule of law and accountability that the Founders insisted upon, that this understanding has to be a misinterpretation of the Constitution. Maybe they never envisioned a Congress and system as corrupt as ours is now, but having just gotten free of King George III, I suspect they knew it could easily become like this, if politicians are exempt from obeying the laws because nobody can ever do anything about their crimes anyway.


190 posted on 11/27/2012 12:56:31 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Thanks for elaborating. I agree. It doesn’t sound correct. Certainly in Obama’s case, since he’s not eligible in the first place, the question of impeachment versus indictment is also out there. Somewhere else, you compared the US to Egypt and Obama to Morsi. Right on. The personalities, methods, behaviors, and even the WORDS they speak and the rationalizations they offer are the same.


191 posted on 12/02/2012 12:13:49 PM PST by Greenperson
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