Posted on 11/16/2012 7:27:33 AM PST by BobNative
Thank you. I was about to reference the same thing. Here’s the site for folks to invesigate. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
And losers get to write the legends.
Not sure of your point in that response, but I note that my question has yet to be responded to.
Your argument is that Fort Sumter was not fired upon on April 12, 1861?
Your assertions do not dispute my argument. Early in the war, a large portion of the sentiment in the North was to restore the Union. Certainly, there was abolitionist sentiment as well. As the war progressed, abolitionist sentiment grew.
Yes, Little Mac ran against Lincoln as Democrat. I think that we agree on this salient fact. But I don’t seem to recall McClellan’s treason.
We agree that slavery is the underlying cause, but there’s more to it. If the war is about slavery, then why did Virginia reject secession before Lincoln’s call for troops and then pass secession afterwards? The status of slavery did not change in the intervening period.
The secession of West Virginia from Virginia does not address my argument and is irrelevant.
Secession is legal, by federal amendment, by federal legislation, or even by successful court case.
The southern insurrection had none of those. The temporary union of the first continental congress became a perpetual union by the Articles of Confederation, and in turn was made more perfect by the current constitution.
Lincoln was a classical liberal. He was for lowering the burden of taxes on the working man. “The face that grows the corn should eat the corn.” He held, and in his life demonstrated that a man could work for himself for a certain number of years, then hire another to work with him for a certain number of years, then be wealthy enough to start a business. Lincoln handled over 5000 cases in his career. Consider John Edwards, former Democratic candidate for vice president: He handled 26 cases in his entire legal career. Lincoln once handled a case for a railroad, and billed them 20,000$. They refused to pay, and Lincoln took out a lien on the railroad. That would have allowed him to, with the aid of the local sheriff, to seize and sell off any assets of the railroad until the debt was paid.
Taxes on slaves were about 100%, from the point of view of the slave. Slavery endowed every slave owner with the power of the government. Unless the master chose to let the slave keep tips or money the slave earned after completing his daily tasks.
Slavery permitted rape, kidnapping, assault, and theft as a normal process. Further, the slave power enslaved white militia members, both before the war as ‘slave patrol’ to search for potential runaway slaves, and during the war as conscripts to the slave power, while slave owners were granted deferments.
Some soldiers from Georgia were conscripted, forced to fight for the insurrection, wounded, shipped home, where their state conscripted them again, and then shipped a second time to satisfy the insurrection’s endless demands for cannon fodder.
Except the tariffs were low when South Carolina pretended to secession.
We have nice parting gifts though.
The US did not force the southern states into the union. Rather they prevented the tiny minority of slave owners in the country from tearing apart the union.
The revolutionary war was vastly different. No taxation without representation. Because of the distance between north america and England, the colonies could not be represented in England. The colonies had their own powers of local taxation. The government of England pretended to have the power to tax the colonies, and when that pretended power was resisted, the government of England send soldiers and marines to make war on the colonies. Only after the war started did the colonies declare independence.
The southern insurrection first declared their independence, based on slavery, though there was no effort made by the US to end slavery, or tariff, though the tariff at that time was low. Then the insurrection declared war on the US, then made war on the United States. None of those were justified, and accordingly, they could not find a single country in the world to support them, and over 40 regiments of southern men fought against the insurrection.
Jeff Davis enacted conscription before Lincoln. The southern slave power began the insurrection, with no legal authority.
Rather than execute them all for piracy, the Union was merciful. That was Lincoln’s policy.
Slavery endowed every slave owner with all powers of government. You truly replaced one tyrant a thousand miles away with a thousand tyrants one mile away.
Assault under color of authority: legal under slavery. Rape: legal under slavery.
Theft: legal under slavery.
Kidnapping: legal under slavery.
Freedom of speech forbidden: legal under slavery.
Right to keep and bear arms forbidden: legal under slavery.
Imprisonment: Legal under slavery.
Forbidden to vote: Legal under slavery.
And then, to keep all the rules of the slave owners, the slave power forced people who did not own slaves to patrol for escaped or run away slaves. When the insurrection began, men who didn’t own slaves were conscripted to support the insurrection.
I had considered going to see Lincoln....I am a big fan of Daniel Day-Lewis, although I don’t know his politics. Being from the U.K., I just assume he also leans left.
But I won’t pay to see this movie because of Speilberg. He does not need my money. I will wait patiently until I can see it on t.v.
Meanwhile, I may just read a few Lincoln biographies. I have seen Lincoln specials all day on the history channel...some had not so flattering anecdotes about him! That really piques my interest!
Machine guns are not banned, but since 1934 they have been registered with a 200$ tax. Reagan had nothing to do with that.
I have a friend who owns a Vickers 1921.
Rather it was socialist Woodrow Wilson who segregated the federal government. The Republican who was elected after Wilson. Warren G. Harding is acknowledged to be partly of African heritage.
None of which sways any Black voters today; and Harding’s supposed touch of Black ancestry is disputed, with Harding himself not knowing the truth.
New ones are and Reagan signed it. Google the Hughes amendment. Free Republic had a thread about it a while back.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2664239/posts
I’m not supporting Hollywood either... we’re a good start...
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