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Inside the Meltdown (The Inside Story Behind the Collapse of Boehner's Plan B)
National Review ^ | 12/21/2012 | Robert Costa

Posted on 12/21/2012 5:18:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Paladin2
The seeds were sown when Boner came up with the Fiscal Cliff deal in the first place. Sometimes kicking the can down the road puts the kicker in the ditch.

Exactly

61 posted on 12/21/2012 7:37:12 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: FR_addict

And replace him with...........? Here’s an interesting quesiton. Let Freepers fill in the blank.


62 posted on 12/21/2012 7:38:04 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SeekAndFind
“I don’t want to talk to the people who ruined this, at least right now,” a retiring House member told me. “They don’t get it.”

No, YOU don't get it. You are sitting there worrying about a 4-point increase in the top tax rate while the entire country has had a 40% tax increase imposed upon them by the higher prices caused by quantitative easing. Forget the damn tax issue and focus instead on the deficit ceiling. Put forth a balanced budget, and refuse to raise the debt limit any further.

63 posted on 12/21/2012 7:38:10 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: SeekAndFind

This represents the problem with the GOPe - they want to continue to compromise with the enemy instead of fighting on principle. The commies on the left don’t want to compromise. They never do.

Who the he!! came up with this sequestering plan anyway? They should have set it to gut welfare, section 8, HUD, and all the other freeloader programs instead of the military.


64 posted on 12/21/2012 7:40:27 AM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If only Boehner had the cojones to walk away.

Sure, the House is adjourned, but they’re staying in DC to take the best final deal—which won’t be good—that Barry deems to give them.

This article may describe some melodrama, but it is not an accurate depiction of the larger picture.


65 posted on 12/21/2012 7:51:44 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

RE: If only Boehner had the cojones to walk away.

The Weeper of the house nearly cried (again) according to this news:

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=DF1EF715-953D-49B7-837A-DE199E5136B2

EXCERPT:

Things were so bad for Speaker John Boehner Thursday night, support for his Plan B tax bill so diminished, the limits of his power with his own party laid bare, that he stood in front of the House Republican Conference and recited the Serenity Prayer.

“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”

Boehner nearly cried.


66 posted on 12/21/2012 7:55:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Timber Rattler; Paladin2; All
The seeds were sown when Boner came up with the Fiscal Cliff deal in the first place.
BINGO! the whole scenario was set up by Boner, Reid, and McConnell,
who were trying to circumvent the TEA Party freshmen in 2011.
Boner therefore has been hoisted on his own petard.
what a fine web we weave...
0'Reid / 0'ButtCrack, really set SotH 0'Boehmer up.
(he should've foreseen it.)
Mitch "I Go / Get Along" 0'McConnell as flaccid as usual.
(he may have foreseen it; the history of Senate GOP)
*absolute disgust*
the Winners:
The Marxist Party /& the Establishment Bureaucracy

67 posted on 12/21/2012 7:58:56 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today; who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

How did Boehner cripple himself starting with the “purge”?


The house is a closed society...you can’t alienate one faction without alienating all, i.e, “Who’s next?” As strange as it may seem, apparently a few still have a working set of values.


68 posted on 12/21/2012 8:00:02 AM PST by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

“As far as the “purge” is concerned, I’m not too sure he wasn’t justified in doing that, knowing Ron Paul supporters the way I do.”

I think your feelings reflect those of many here on Free Republic.

However, I find I have a lot more in common with “Ron Paul supporters” than I do with RINO’s or Democrats.

And before the flames, No I am not a pot head living in my Mon’s basement.


69 posted on 12/21/2012 8:03:33 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: SueRae

“With no meaningful spending reductions, all the Tax talk, 2%, middle-class crap means nothing.”

I totally agree. I think that continuously.

I tried unsuccessfully to learn specifically what will happen if the fiscal cliff legislation takes effect. That’s very important, as I hear that it’s not really a cliff but a slope but haven’t seen the specifics.

We’ve been led to believe that the fiscal cliff legislation (the Simpson Bowles recipe made into law?) is the disaster option. I’m not so sure. I would like to know the specific cutting and taxing and how they’re phased in.

I’m for letting the cliff happen and for Republicans having the courage to ignore today’s polls.


70 posted on 12/21/2012 8:13:39 AM PST by cymbeline
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
And replace him with...........?
someone w/ a spine / Willpower...
and (a political sense) brain
...
i.e...political history (context :)

71 posted on 12/21/2012 8:18:09 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today; who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :)
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To: Resettozero
I now reckon Boehner as a Democrat and am no longer surprised by his actions.

Nonsense. Boehner's not a democrat, or a liberal or a socialist or any of the rest. He's just a weak, toothless leader who fecklesly turned on his own to appease the left. He was just stupid enough to think that obama really wanted a deal. All nonsense and now I hope the GOP caucus sends him home.

72 posted on 12/21/2012 8:25:51 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: Timber Rattler; All

bingo.....just as the GOP crippled themselves by giving the Tea Party the F-U after we put them in power in Congress and gave them a fighting chance for the Senate and WH....


73 posted on 12/21/2012 8:26:36 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: meyer
Who the he!! came up with this sequestering plan anyway?

Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid, with Boehner's quiet approval, in order to circumvent the TEA Party freshmen, who refused to go along with the "business-as-usual" debt ceiling compromise in July 2011.

74 posted on 12/21/2012 8:31:53 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
As far as the "purge" is concerned, I'm not too sure he wasn't justified in doing that, knowing Ron Paul supporters the way I do.

Ron Paul and his "supporters" (as you put it), had nothing to do with Boehner's meltdown. Get over it.

75 posted on 12/21/2012 8:36:19 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SeekAndFind
“I don’t want to talk to the people who ruined this, at least right now,” a retiring House member told me. “They don’t get it.”

I want to know who this person is and how he has the audacity to say that those opposed to expanding a $16 trillion deficit 'don't get it'.

Typical GOP-E attitude.

76 posted on 12/21/2012 8:45:37 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

The entire article fails to distinguish between national politics and regional. House members are there because of their districts. Many of those districts have no desire for kissing Obama’s butt - which is what Boner’s deal meant.

Boner was worried about national politics. His actions would make sense - IF Mitt Romney was facing election in January. Playing to the middle makes sense in the months before a national election, when the votes of confused and worthless people without principle matter.

No matter what is done, the national media will blame republicans for anything bad that happens for the next 4 years. Boner’s compromise would not have bought him ANY support from the media. Boner still thinks the media has a slight desire to be fair. They don’t.

We need to grow some conservatives between now and 2016 who can explain, in 60 seconds or less, how conservative ideas make everyone’s life better. We won’t do that with a GOP-E guy who changes his opinions more often than his underwear. And we don’t have any national leaders in the GOP right now. We will have to see if any step up to the need. Until then, the GOP house republicans might as well go on representing their districts - as they are supposed to do!


77 posted on 12/21/2012 8:45:57 AM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: jpsb; All
Yeah, but we got to this point now, because of THIS:

'Super Congress' Idea Floated to Solve Debt Crisis

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and his Republican counterpart, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell reportedly are working on an idea to create a new bipartisan committee to break the debt-ceiling deadlock.

Such a committee, which some label a “Super Congress” and staffers on Capitol Hill are calling a “super committee,” reportedly would have special powers not present in the Constitution now, according to the Daily Mail in London.

Things that they set in motion in the summer of 2011, are now biting them squarely on the butt.

78 posted on 12/21/2012 8:48:13 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma; All
And replace him with...........?

Congressman Tom Price of Georgia

79 posted on 12/21/2012 8:53:42 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
I want to know who this person is and how he has the audacity to say that those opposed to expanding a $16 trillion deficit 'don't get it'.

That will be retiring Congressman LaTourette, who went on the morning shows this morning and called his Conservative colleagues "chuckleheads."

80 posted on 12/21/2012 8:57:50 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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