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Inside the Meltdown (The Inside Story Behind the Collapse of Boehner's Plan B)
National Review ^ | 12/21/2012 | Robert Costa

Posted on 12/21/2012 5:18:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind
But even Amash wondered whether the House GOP was making the right move. “Too many people in there were arguing that this thing is a tax increase, and I don’t think that’s what Boehner was trying to do,” he said. As much as he disagrees with Boehner’s approach, even he regretted how the speaker’s plan was killed.

So even AMASH thinks Boehner's plan wasn't all bad?

You mean Boehner's not the "Stalin" he's been made out to be?

Surprise, surprise.

81 posted on 12/21/2012 9:34:02 AM PST by what's up
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To: pgkdan
Nonsense.

Nothing like good clarity of mind and expression to set us all straight. Right?
82 posted on 12/21/2012 9:40:04 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: SeekAndFind
First time I ever heard praying equated with crying.
83 posted on 12/21/2012 9:42:26 AM PST by what's up
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To: SeekAndFind
“Boehner was trying to play chess and the caucus was playing checkers,” he said, sighing. “Boehner is willing to lose a pawn for a queen. I’m not sure about the rest.”
Boehner's version of losing a pawn.


84 posted on 12/21/2012 10:12:42 AM PST by Bratch
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To: Timber Rattler

The ones that were “purged” are Ron Paul supporters and these folks here in Iowa have caused HUGE trouble. I am suspicious of all of them.


85 posted on 12/21/2012 12:08:57 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SeekAndFind

As I understand it obama and Reid already said they’d reject “Plan B”. So Boner wanted to pass it so they could shoot it down in the senate? If the dems really wanted it boner could have gotten enough dems to vote for it.


86 posted on 12/21/2012 12:17:30 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

If the dems can’t have their own speaker, they’ll side with the rinos and keep boner in.

Even if Price does become speaker, he won’t have the votes either. boner and pals will fight him every step of the way.


87 posted on 12/21/2012 12:21:58 PM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: silverleaf
Since the GOP can’t control him it is up to the democrats to man up and become adults- if there are any patriots left

Democrats? Patriots?

There may be a few left among the Democrat rank & file. But among their political leadership? None. They all salute the ghosts of Moscow.

88 posted on 12/21/2012 12:47:32 PM PST by okie01
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
The ones that were “purged” are Ron Paul supporters and these folks here in Iowa have caused HUGE trouble.

That's a bunch of nonsense.

89 posted on 12/21/2012 1:18:10 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

It is not nonsense. Check it out.I know what I’m talking about.


90 posted on 12/21/2012 1:25:26 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SeekAndFind

91 posted on 12/21/2012 2:28:51 PM PST by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Paladin2; Alamo-Girl; marron
"Boehner is willing to lose a pawn for a queen. I’m not sure about the rest.”

If Boehner is willing to lose a pawn to protect his queen, then it seems to me he is acknowledging that 0bama is playing Chess. (And personally, I do believe he is entirely correct about that.) Meanwhile, a whole lot of other folks — in Congress and out — think the game being played here is Checkers.

We're skunked either way: Go over the fiscal cliff, or have the Congress buckle to the president — and then we still get to go over the fiscal cliff.

My view FWIW is that Boehner is trying to do a valiant job in impossible conditions. He probably will not prevail. But I thank him for trying.

92 posted on 12/21/2012 3:29:32 PM PST by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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To: CAluvdubya
The gutting of the Defense Department will go forward unless some other bill is passed.
93 posted on 12/21/2012 5:05:46 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cotton1706
Speaker Bohener(sic) has continually chosen to “negotiate” a deal, i.e. a piece of legislation with the president. That is not how our government works

Always has. Since Washington.

If you don't approve of efforts to get the president to direct Reid to do his job, perhaps you can elucidate some other more effective method.

94 posted on 12/21/2012 5:09:54 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
As far as the "purge" is concerned, I'm not too sure he wasn't justified in doing that, knowing Ron Paul supporters the way I do.

The elephant in the living room...as one insider put it, "the A--Hole factor." I don't know these guys, but as time goes by that attribution makes more and more sense.

95 posted on 12/21/2012 5:20:16 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: EQAndyBuzz

To put a fine point on my previous comments: nothing would please me more than to see Boehner replaced THIS MONTH by a Conservative, NON-RINO, new Speaker of the House.

Just today Boehner said: “We can’t cut our way back to prosperity.” With that spendaholic philosophy we will continue to compromise with the Devil Communists.


96 posted on 12/21/2012 6:08:08 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Communal Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: hinckley buzzard

You got that right. You should see what these A—holes have done here in Iowa. They’ve nearly bankrupted RPI. It’s a long nightmare story.


97 posted on 12/21/2012 6:37:35 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: cymbeline

I have a link to the bill.

The line by line cuts start on page 13. You’ll be amazed at just how mny ‘committees’ and redundancies there appear to be. Quite an eye chart.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20120915-sequester/STAReport_sequester.pdf


98 posted on 12/21/2012 9:17:42 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: SueRae

“link to the bill”

Thanks for that link.

I see that it is a report, not legislation. It starts by explaining that the sequestrations were never intended to be implemented because iff it were there would be dire consequences, but the consequences aren’t explained.

The report is 394 pages long, mostly an itemization of the agencies to receive cuts. Looks like cuts of 8-10 percent for everything mentioned. Doesn’t sound unreasonable to me.

Does the report say how the cuts will be phased in? I’ll bet the phasing in can be postponed per politicians’ wishes. Someone said that the tax increases can be delayed because the President or someone controls when withholding amounts from our paychecks are changed.

The point men in the conflict have been Bohner and the President. Behind them are the elected representatives, who those point men must convince. Behind the elected representatives are the citizens who elected them.

As far as I’m concerned the citizens are in control of the conflict. My reservation here is that we citizens, including me, don’t know enough.

I’m a conservative that once liked “Plan B” but the inability to pass it has inspired me that conservatives around the country still are a major political force.

As posters have said before, financial legislation needs to be mostly about cutting government spending, not the quibble over the “millionaire tax”. I’m disgusted that Obama, Bohner and the others have not tried harder to explain to we citizens the need for spending containment.


99 posted on 12/22/2012 9:04:35 AM PST by cymbeline
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