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Inside the Meltdown (The Inside Story Behind the Collapse of Boehner's Plan B)
National Review ^ | 12/21/2012 | Robert Costa

Posted on 12/21/2012 5:18:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: cotton1706

The National Review has gone around the bend when it comes to real conservatism.

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That happened about six months after Bill Buckley died.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 5:57:16 AM PST by maica
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To: Timber Rattler
Boner crippled himself, starting with the purge.

Just another example of the masterful shoot-yerself-in-the-foot strategy we've come to expect from the GOP establishment.

Face it, anyone who supposedly wanted to truly cripple the socialist wave sweeping across American politics really wouldn't begin by acting like a socialist, now would they?

The pubbies are more interested in keeping themselves in the game than they are about winning it!

22 posted on 12/21/2012 5:58:28 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: SeekAndFind

There sure are a lot of unattributed “quotes” in this piece—All designed to make the true conservatives look bad. Meh!


23 posted on 12/21/2012 5:58:39 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: Arm_Bears

RE: Boner, and his “leadership” team, were willing to sacrifice “millionaires” on the deal-making alter this go-round

The thinking in Washington DC always is this — Millionaires are the ones who:

1) Can best afford to lose just a little more of their money

2) Don’t deserve the money they have (because most of them got it undeservedly. Remember “You didn’t build that”?)

3) Should not be greedy and do more with a little less.

Of course nobody but nobody is concerned with the biggest trillionaire of them all who wastes money and still says the money isn’t enough.


24 posted on 12/21/2012 5:58:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; Arthurio; what's up; ArmstedFragg; Perdogg; Hoodat; dan on the right; ...
RE :”Their deflated spirits were understandable. Earlier in the evening, House Republicans appeared to be close to passing “Plan B” with the requisite 217 votes. There are 241 Republicans in the House, and Boehner could risk 24 defections. In the final public whip count, which was documented by The Hill, fewer than 20 conservative members were opposed to the plan. But things began to fall apart in the early evening, when the margin on a spending vote was narrow. That vote was part of Boehner’s “Plan B” package, and a replacement for the defense sequester. Since that vote was narrow, the vote on Boehner’s larger plan to extend most tax rates would probably be even narrower, leadership aides predicted. “

I still believe the standalone B tax extension proposal was a great idea and next year it will be painful for them when they swallow a really bad bill next year that Reid and O demand, one that vindicates this.

I knew this was in trouble when they added a repeal of the defense cuts (in effect adding spending) to lure votes to it.

But what really killed this bill was the out-right lie that this tax cut extemsion bill was raising taxes. And when our taxes go up January 1 that lie will be exposed, the tax cuts are automatic as I kept posting over and over, plan B didnt raise any taxes.

If this defeat results in getting O and Reid to cave to better tax deal than plan B and/or with real spending cuts then I will be happy to admit that I was wrong.

But if this backfires I bet many who claimed that this bill would have raised taxes or that O will get blamed next year will not have the honor to do the same.

25 posted on 12/21/2012 6:00:06 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: SeekAndFind
When politicians talk about taxing the "millionaires", this is what the typical millionaire looks like to them...


26 posted on 12/21/2012 6:01:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: cotton1706

Outstanding post- perfectly summed up.

Please repost this often.

How has this been allowed to happen??!!

Boner needs to be removed ASAP. F-ing crybaby. Give us a man with real balls- not someone who looks like he is allowed to hold the jar they are in every now and then.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 6:01:31 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: cotton1706
“We’re at this point because of his feckless leadership. The National Review has gone around the bend when it comes to real conservatism.”

He should resign the speakership, then I'll be happy.

28 posted on 12/21/2012 6:01:38 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: cotton1706

procedurally our entire govt is screwed up in an unprecedented way, it started when our ENTIRE establishmenty acquiesced to having a consitutionally ineligible intellectually unqualified petty thug installed in the highest office as a form of reparations

the problem with evil is that it succeeds when good men do nothing- which brings to question whether they are good men

Boehner is a bit player in this Greek tragedy

We are where we all sit today because of OBAMA and whoever is backing him


29 posted on 12/21/2012 6:05:48 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: q_an_a
This is one of the dumbest things he could have done, IMO.

Made me mad...I'm sure some of them were REALLY mad.

30 posted on 12/21/2012 6:08:14 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Bovine Scat. You don't play chess by purging some of your pawns, rooks and knights up front...and then asking them to come back and fight the queen.

I have NO sympathy. All the GOP-E has done since 2010 is use the majority the tea-party GAVE them...to screw conservatives.

Let them all eat cake.

31 posted on 12/21/2012 6:09:02 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: SeekAndFind

As I read through this I kept thinking...

1. He made radical purges to committees
2. I guess there are indeed enough conservatives in the House to have some pull after all.

So, as they go into recess...and the intimidation of the cliff gets more shrill...will the conservative caucus give-in? Will the President come clean that what he wants only runs the government for 11 days?

I mean really? All this drama for 11 days worth of money? Can the republicans get on message about the sheer insanity of 0bama’s position? 0bama’s plan does nothing, accomplishes nothing and for the President to “hold out” on such an inane point is pure stubborness on his part.

Why can’t they get the information out already? I am so sick and tired of hearing it’s the media, it’s the media...THEN GET A STRATEGY TO WORK OVER, AROUND, AND ABOVE THE MEDIA ALREADY!


32 posted on 12/21/2012 6:09:24 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well well well. Its about time. Mutiny is in the air. I think we are watching the beginning of the end of Tammy Faye’s speakership. I had a funny feeling he went too far when he dumped Sweikert and Huelskamp and the other two conservatives from their committees. Conservatives are mega pizzed. They finally got sick of being threatened for representing their constituents.

Notice how Paul Ryan has managed to stay out of the line of fire and he was seen waltzing out of the capitol with Tom Price? I think they are going to put Tom Price up for Speaker in the new term. He is from GA and he would be great. We love him here.

Let The Kenyan stew in his own juices while he’s on that $4 million vacation we are all going to pay for. It would have been better had the GOP just brought the Bush tax cuts to the floor and voted to extend them for another 12 months and then adjourned and gone home.


33 posted on 12/21/2012 6:14:02 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cotton1706

Exactly right!


34 posted on 12/21/2012 6:15:56 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: cotton1706
The House and Senate will never get to confernece to agree and the president will not receive any bill and the government will shut down if necessary.

If that happens, it would provide an excellent opportunity for Tyranny to take over every aspect of the Federal Government.

I now reckon Boehner as a Democrat and am no longer surprised by his actions. (This really works; try it.)
35 posted on 12/21/2012 6:16:32 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: SeekAndFind
Let's all keep in mind this bill was going nowhere in any case. It was political show. Boehner wanted a show? He got one: Revenge of the Fiscal Conservatives.
36 posted on 12/21/2012 6:17:02 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Obama has now indicated he’s not going to Hawaii without a deal.

In other words, Reggie Love is staying in DC while Moochelle is away.


37 posted on 12/21/2012 6:18:25 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama only wants the GOP to fail on every plan. He he will pull every football.


38 posted on 12/21/2012 6:19:13 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

“How has this been allowed to happen??!!”

It has happened in my view because Bohener has been in cahoots with Obama and the democrats all along. They all despise conservatives and have done whatever they could to undermine them. It was clear to me when the House was about to vote for Cut, Cap and Balance and immediately, Mitch McConnell came up with his silly automatic debt ceiing plan, and then Boehner went along and undercut the conservatives. The didn’t want the House to act because they didn’t want to force the Senate to act. So they all met together to circumvent the regular legislative process.

They can still blame conservatives (as they always will) but at least the conservatives stood firm on principle and the speaker’s power and influence are gone. If the House cannot be convinced to pass plan B, nothing Obama would propose would pass either, for the conservatives have not been frightend by the latest scare tactic. First it was Tarp, then it was the government shutdown, then it was the debt ceiling, now it’s the fiscal cliff and tomorrow there will be yet another crisis where bills must be passed immediatley without going through committee, deliberation, debate or multiple votes or amendments. The game is getting old and extremly transparent, to everybody but the republican leadership, who are on the other side of us and the people.


39 posted on 12/21/2012 6:19:21 AM PST by cotton1706
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To: SueRae

Put this in perspective.

The “Takers” don’t care, a large number of which voted to put Obama back in the WH. They don’t care because they don’t pay taxes anyway. Stupid single parent white women just want their free condoms to continue on with their “personal lives” and their “right to chose”.

Then there is the “Global Warmers” working, upper-middle class and taxpaying “useful idiot” Democrats, except the big-mount “raise my taxes” morons, will be up in arms and want to blame somebody.

There are also the in-between middle-class Democrat voters, who have lost full-time jobs, now reduced to less 30 hours per week by their employers to avoid the ObamaCare mandate. Some of these useful working poor actually pay taxes and will be even be more screwed. Be careful what you wish and vote for Jose.

Republicans WILL have to man-up and take the blame, but they can be clear and articulate that we have a spending problem, and this is the line in the sand.

As much as I dislike Boehner, he tried everything to cut a deal with Obama, but in the end it was clear Obama was laughing at him the whole time and didn’t want a deal anyway. Either way, Obama feels he can blame the Republicans for the cliff, even though he freakin’ OWNS it!

Republicans need to find a loud voice as the communist democrats are going to be LOUDLY going after Republicans for raising taxes on everybody to avoid increasing taxes on the rich - making everybody else pay because the rich don’t want to pay their “fair” share!


40 posted on 12/21/2012 6:21:50 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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