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New York Gun Owners Flip the Bird to "Assault Weapons" Registration Law
Reason.com ^ | Jan. 25, 2013 | J.D. Tuccille

Posted on 01/26/2013 3:25:52 PM PST by Daffynition

New York Governor Cuomo the Junior may have rushed through his new gun control law with such speed that police will avoid its restrictions only through the blessed miracle of selective enforcement, but he may have a little trouble getting the state's firearms owners to attend his party. The new law requires owners of those scary-looking rifles known as "assault weapons" to register their property (amidst assurances that, oh no, the registration lists will never be used for confiscation), but gun rights activists are actively urging gun owners to defy the new mandate.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2damendment; awb; banglist; ct; cuomo; guncontrol; police; secondamendment
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To: JerseyHighlander

OK, anybody in new York that gets one of these letters, make a copy of it and on the copy black out your name and street address and leave only the city.

Scan it and post it here.

Gotta know when “it begins”.


51 posted on 01/26/2013 5:38:45 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Salgak

....the only data immune from the daily purge is those checks that ran longer.......”

When did the (up to & including 3 day) delay ones get deleted?

On the day after?

Many thanks for your cogent observation and setting things straight!


52 posted on 01/26/2013 5:44:56 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: jeffc

One if by land, two if by sea, three if by Fedex?


53 posted on 01/26/2013 5:45:45 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: Daffynition

One of our local state reps was on the radio for over an hour last Thursday and he said he had read the original bill which called for registration of all guns be they hand guns, rifles, shot guns, and in 5 years the end result was to be CONFISCATION.

That had to be backed out so they could take the giant leap to get more guns registered but you can bet your life (in fact you may have to) that the CONFISCATION will be introduced again in the not to distant future in NY.


54 posted on 01/26/2013 5:48:52 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: ronnie raygun
For Nutmeggers: Testimony For Monday’s Hearing Now Online Hope every gun owner can attend!

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Testimony For Monday’s Hearing Now Online

Posted on January 26, 2013 by

Some of testimony already submitted for Monday’s Task Force Hearing on gun violence is now online. You may read it here. There are only about 170 there so far, and it’s a mix of pro and anti gun control. Unless every other gun owner in the state plans on attending the hearing Monday in person, there should be several hundred thousand more in support of our rights then I see there, Again I remind you to “Stand Up! Step Up! Speak Up, Dammit!”.

This might be the only chance you get to make your voice heard. Just to remind you, there are already over 60 bills working their way through Hartford, and all but a handful will restrict your rights to own and shoot your gun. Even if the only gun you own is a revolver, or a double barrel shotgun, you WILL be effected as well. Here’s a reminder of just some of the proposed laws:

If you can’t attend the hearing Monday, at least email your thoughts to the Task Force. If you need help or suggestions with your testimony, see our tip sheet for some helpful hints.

For past posts on this subject, click here.

 

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2 thoughts on “Testimony For Monday’s Hearing Now Online

  1. I submitted mine but it’s not on the list. I wonder how many others are missing!!!

  2. I just sent it again!


55 posted on 01/26/2013 6:01:49 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: SoothingDave
If there is any “NCIS archive” going back to 1998, that would be a clear violation.

Oh please. Following laws are for the little people- the unwashed masses. Welcome to the new reality of selective law enforcement. The end justifies the means dontchaknow.

56 posted on 01/26/2013 6:08:49 PM PST by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: CodeToad

Jersey is stuck in some kind of time warp. The only thing they have going for them is that great stench.

Very well worth a speeding ticket just to get through it.


57 posted on 01/26/2013 6:09:22 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: MasterGunner01

I totally agree with you. There is one cop I know very well, and I told him, “You MUST make it clear that you are not just standing up for YOUR rights, but for the rights of ALL NYers. You MUST do something about the perception that others have about policemen: Namely, that policemen believe in an “Us vs. Them” mentality, and that the regular citizens are the “Thems”.”

I know that there are some cops who are just jackasses with badges (I know some; they are not welcome in my home). But most of them are just guys who have wives and families of their own, and they are INFURIATED about this.

Here are some of the remarks I’ve heard so far:

“I’m not registering jack $hit.”

“The day they tell me to confiscate a citizen’s gun is the day I go home sick and hand in my papers.” (I’m hearing that one from a LOT of 20+ year veterans.)

“I’m leaving this stupid state as soon as I possibly can.”

Regards,

PS: These remarks are from regular rank-and-file policemen. Sadly, some of the big-city police chiefs/commissioners and “law enforcement associations” are saying the opposite. I suggest these idiots start taking note of what their officers are ACTUALLY saying.


58 posted on 01/26/2013 6:10:06 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh! Such a pity, those guns cost money. Now what??


59 posted on 01/26/2013 6:19:05 PM PST by marygam (I have extra ducktape for anyone who needs to wrap their head.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
The only place its stored permanently is on the form 4473 that stays with the FFL dealer that it was bought from.

So if you bought an AR from a FFL as opposed to a secondary market the FFL has your name, SSN, and can reference your address from DMV and IRS.

60 posted on 01/26/2013 6:26:01 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Daffynition

They don’t have to go door to door. With the law in place, they can just wait things out...if they want to. So yes, you might be able to hang on to your gun...but consider:

1) If you use it in self-defense, you go to jail - just like the Brits do now for raising a butter knife at a rapist.

2) Don’t even think of taking it to the range.

3) If it’s stolen and then turns up in crime, you better have a good story to explain that you didn’t have recent (i.e., illegal) possession of it.

4) If it’s stolen and the gun turns up with your other stolen junk...you might just be out of luck.

So maybe you can hang on to it...but it won’t be too useful.


61 posted on 01/26/2013 6:51:55 PM PST by BobL
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To: Daffynition

(from 1999)

More from Down Under:
Government Gun Control Monumental Failure

California is about to suffer an anti-gun assault of epic proportions. Well intended elected officials are about to do fatal harm to the republic they are supposed to serve. Public safety will be endangered because of political hubris. Facts which contradict their preconceived (ill conceived) opinions will be ignored, and people will die.

I have received some interesting e-mail in the wake of my last column regarding the monumental failure of the Australian government’s gun ban. One of the most interesting follows:

Dear Sir,

I found your web site and was very interested in your reports. In particular, the latest Australian crime stats regarding firearms. You seem to be extremely well informed on events external to the United States, and as dissemination of information is critical so those of us who still remember what freedom of the 1950’s and 60’s was really like, I have attached an item below regarding the failed attempt to reduce crime by disarming this country’s law abiding citizens and patriots under the pretext of the gun buy scheme. Just in case you haven’t see this.

Cheers,
Ross Darben

He included an article from the Queensland The Sunday Mail, titled “Buyback blamed for illegal trade” by a Chris Grifith dated January 24, 1999. I have rewritten Grifith’s piece and added to it.

Grifith writes “THE $500 million national gun buy-back scheme has failed, Queensland’s foremost police weapons expert says. “This report mirrors the flood of communication I have received from Australia and elsewhere in support of my earlier column. He quotes an Inspector John McCoomb as saying the new government gun laws have served as a catalyst to solidify the underground market. Inspector McCoomb is quoted as saying “Once they’re on the black market, they’re there for anyone to buy.”

I have asked dozens of Australian groups to provide me with some insight into the level of non-compliance. We know from first hand observation that the Roberti-Roos assault weapon ban in California was mostly form, and very little substance. Long on perception.....short on reality. Californians did not comply. As a result, it is unknown how many law biding Californians are now state created shake and bake outlaws”. Inspector McCoomb, who heads the Australian Weapons Licensing Branch said Australians had handed in only a fraction of the weapons in the community. Gee that sounds familiar.

It was (and is) impossible to accurately calculate how many guns there were/are in Australia. Just like it is impossible to calculate the number of illegal aliens in California. However, the 643,000 (Australian guns) that were turned in, was chump change....... it “was a mere fraction of just two brands of now illegal guns in the country.”

http://www.calnews.com/archives/Metcalf13.htm

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

So it was actually less than 20%.

Is some dark dusty corner of the Internet is a page that talks about the final results of the California SKS confiscation “demands.”

End result was about six percent compliance. Another number that comes to mind is there were about 350 SKS’s turned in for the $230.00 “buyback.”

Keep in mind that the SKS at that time was around $100.00 and with some odd modifications AR-15’s were ok to keep.

Yet about 94% of Californians “just said NO.”

http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/gt-report/gt-report_059.html

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24653

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BUYBACK+PROGRAM+FOR+CERTAIN+SKS+SPORTER+RIFLES+TO+END+FRIDAY.-a083632814

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24201

Invariably, registration leads to confiscation. Why anyone falls for the “we won’t confiscate” BS is beyond me, it is worse than Charley Brown and Lucie’s football.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

BTW, if ANYONE can find that data on the FINAL results of the California SKS ban I would very much appreciate a link. I recall it was from around 2002 or so.


62 posted on 01/26/2013 7:25:59 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Sacajaweau

“ex post facto....already decided that it is unconstitutional. “

How is this ex post facto?

It just makes it illegal to own a gun that is not registered. If they find you with a gun that is not registered, you go to jail.

The law is about registration, not ownership.


63 posted on 01/26/2013 7:41:56 PM PST by webstersII
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To: CodeToad
Jersey boys always talk with that stupid thug accent because that’s all they’ve got, an accent. They can only run to the end of their little pink chains and bark.

Yes indeed, and the phoniest Joisey tough guy is Christie, that steaming, quivering pile of pig guts they love so much,

64 posted on 01/26/2013 7:57:06 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: NoGrayZone

That stench is oil-burning power plants that light up your iPhone.


65 posted on 01/26/2013 8:01:50 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Dutch Boy

lower capacity magazines discriminate against Americans with disabilities who have carpal tunnel or arthritis etc and cannot reload as fast as most criminals...Sue the Bastards.ADA


66 posted on 01/26/2013 8:02:49 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: TLI
Is this what you are looking for?

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/12/26/16169576-chart-before-and-after-the-assault-weapons-ban?lite


67 posted on 01/26/2013 9:34:49 PM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

Note to any New Yorkers who might be thinking of caching their weapons and ammo: Do it in a place you can get a backhoe to. They could be in the ground for years (like 18 in one Californian’s case) and you ain’t gettin’ any younger.


68 posted on 01/27/2013 12:15:19 AM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: cripplecreek
One little thing the gun grabbers have overlooked is the vast majority of guns in this country have never required registration.

Yep - they exist in theory only:::until someone comes for them...

69 posted on 01/27/2013 4:19:57 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

> Every NICS check created a de facto registration as of this week, AG Holder is making the entirety of the NICS archive immediately available to NY State Law Enforcement.

Real grounds for impeachment. The current administration will do and has done everything it can to get whatever legislation passed including violating the provisions set forth in the Bill of Rights of The Constitution. I thought violating (not failing) to uphold your oath to protect The Constitution by a president was considered treason. Why isn’t it now? It has been for past presidents.


70 posted on 01/27/2013 4:31:26 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Daffynition

> I was trying to *make light* of this hideous situation. If laws were enough to deter criminal behavior prisons would be empty.

Everyone on this forum knows Obama’s gun control / gun confiscation agenda has nothing to do with crime prevention or making anyone safer. It’s about control and destroying any resistance by the citizenry so he can “really” bring about “change” and unleash his evil plans. We must change the power that the president has so we can never be revisited by a tyrant of this scope and ruled by a president whose goal is to punish it’s citizenry or doesn’t have their best interests at heart.


71 posted on 01/27/2013 4:41:49 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: NoGrayZone

> That was one damn big perfect storm. Oh the humanity!

Yes, Mr. President. It affected all 57 states.


72 posted on 01/27/2013 4:44:05 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Daffynition; All

Maddow’s graph is a very stupid way to look at the data. Still, it shows that there have been less than 230 deaths in 60 years. A virtual non problem.

This “crises” is totally media created. Because of the copycat effect, it is likely that half or more of those deaths would not have happened if the media had not made anti-heros of the more recent shooters.


73 posted on 01/27/2013 5:22:46 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Daffynition
selective enforcement

I fear many have missed the progressive's point in passing new laws. It is not to enforce the law as you may think. It is to use the law selectively against outspoken opponents of the progressive agenda.

The Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, and other socialist agendas now have enough laws to detain virtually anyone on the suspicion of a crime. It may be as innocuous as owning the means of producing a chemical weapon by having Clorox and Ammonia in your home.

In some sense, it is similar to the religion of Judaism. Judaism created so many laws, rules, and regulations that not a single Jew can abide by them all so all are guilty.

A good lesson to learn when the government is corrupted is not to judge the government by what it will do, judge the government by what it can do.

To love’s one’s country is patriot, to trust one’s government is just plain foolish. America’s greatest threat is ignorance.

74 posted on 01/27/2013 6:10:30 AM PST by MosesKnows
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To: WildHighlander57

When a query is complete (whether it took 10 seconds or 3 days0, it goes into the NICS Delete Queue. And whenever the next purge is run (it runs every 24 hours), the query is deleted. . .


75 posted on 01/27/2013 6:30:11 AM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: JerseyHighlander

Those numbers are BS. I read somewhere that the numbers who defied the ban in CA were quite high, and that the percentage of people who turned in their guns in Australia was about 20%.

But how is one to prove that which cannot be proven? I know that my number is not 100% accurate, but also am quite sure that your 100% figures are way off.

There are patriots and people who understand what the Constitution means in every state.


76 posted on 01/27/2013 6:33:13 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ctdonath2

Each of the LEO’s participating in confiscation must rest their head on a pillow each night, as do their family.

When they push people into a corner, at some point they will fight back.....and they may not like what they see.

Remember, they can only kill you once.


77 posted on 01/27/2013 6:39:58 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Daffynition

Wonder why they don’t do a chart of “cumulative deaths” for black crime?


78 posted on 01/27/2013 6:42:42 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: cripplecreek
Suppose a military force sent into America; they will find nobody in arms; what are they then to do? They cannot force a man to take stamps health insurance policies who chooses to do without them. They will not find a rebellion; they may indeed make one.

History's latest rhyme.

79 posted on 01/27/2013 6:48:31 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: MosesKnows
>>I fear many have missed the progressive's point in passing new laws. It is not to enforce the law as you may think. It is to use the law selectively against outspoken opponents of the progressive agenda.<<

I think this notion is not lost on the thousands of gun owners who showed up on the capitol steps in Hartford two Sundays ago.

Tomorrow is is the *hearing* on the obscene number of bills [60] proposed for this session.

CT gun owners need to show up en masse tomorrow:
Gun Violence Prevention Working Group Public Hearing
Monday, January 28th, 2013
Legislative Office Building
10:00am, Room 2C
The Legislative Office Building is located at 300 Capitol Avenue, Hartford.

The severity in which anti-gun bills are being generated has far surpassed any historical record that the State of Connecticut has ever seen. The only way to hopefully stop this, is to let your voices be heard by the lawmakers of our State.

I believe this will be the only opportunity for a public display before these hideous bills go to committee and the doors are closed to the *dialog* the hypocrites are asking for.

Reminder: leave your sidearm at home; you not allowed to carry in the capitol building; They will be using metal detectors upon entry.

If CT residents can't make the hearing, they can email a testimony and submit it here. It does not have to be long, a few sentences will suffice.

“Stand Up! Step Up! Speak Up, Dammit!”.

80 posted on 01/27/2013 9:44:01 AM PST by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: rolling_stone

I like the way you think. Use their system against them.


81 posted on 01/27/2013 10:50:09 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: cripplecreek

A. Suppose a military force sent into America; they will find nobody in arms; what are they then to do? They cannot force a man to take HEALTHCAREstamps who chooses to do without HEALTHCAREthem. They will not find a rebellion; they may indeed make one.

would have fixed it if i knew how to strike through...

d’oh

teeman


82 posted on 01/27/2013 5:36:42 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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You know what would be cool? If EVERY SINGLE person of legal age to purchase a firearm went in every week to request a background check as if they were actually buying a firearm, long rifle, shotgun, etc. Imagine a hundred million or so requests EVERY WEEK.

Kind of like the Concealed Carry classes that are all full up. Everyone needs a CCW, whether or not they actually carry.


83 posted on 01/27/2013 7:59:06 PM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: Daffynition
ALL gun owners should err on the side of caution. WHY?

Maybe because "a FOOL and his WEAPONS are soon parted."

84 posted on 01/27/2013 9:19:52 PM PST by VideoDoctor
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