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Even If Your Child Is Gay...
Townhall.com ^ | March 19, 2013 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 03/19/2013 6:18:04 AM PDT by Kaslin

Last week, Republican Senator Rob Portman of Ohio announced that he had reversed his position on same-sex marriage. The reason was that his son had come out to him and his wife as gay.

This is not the first such instance. Periodically, we hear about Republican politicians whose child announces that he or she is gay, prompting the parent to change his mind about the man-woman definition of marriage.

As a parent, I understand these parents. We love our children, and we want them to love us.

Nevertheless I differ with their decisions to support the redefinition of marriage.

In order to explain why, let's analyze some of Senator Portman's words:

"I'm announcing today a change of heart ... "

These words are well chosen. Senator Portman's position is indeed "a change of heart." That's why he didn't say "change of mind." His change comes from his heart.

In this regard, Portman speaks for virtually every progressive/left/liberal position on virtually every subject. To understand leftism -- not that the senator has become a leftist, but he has taken the left-wing position on redefining marriage -- one must understand that above all else leftism is rooted in emotion, not reason. That is why left-wing social positions always refer to compassion and fairness -- for blacks, for illegal immigrants, for poorer people and, of course, for gays. Whether a progressive position will improve or harm society is not a progressive question. That is a conservative question. What matters to progressives is whether a position emanates from compassion.

Progressives do not seem to recognize that in life there is always tension between standards and compassion. Standards, by definition, cannot allow for compassion for every individual. If society were to show compassion to every individual, it would have no standards. Speeding laws are not waived for the unfortunate soul who has to catch an important flight. Orchestral standards are not waived for the musician who has devoted his or her life to studying an instrument, is a wonderful person and needs the job to support a family.

It is either right to maintain the man-woman definition of our most important social institution, or is it not. We cannot base our decision on compassion for gays, whether the gay is our child, our sibling, our friend or anyone else.

Yes, societies have changed qualifications for marriage regarding age and number, but no society before the 21st century ever considered redefining the fundamental nature of marriage by changing the sexes. That is why it is not honest to argue that same-sex marriage is just another redefinition. It is the most radical change to the definition of marriage in the history of civilization.

How then should people of compassion deal with this, or any other, issue? By asking whether we maintain standards or whether we change them because of compassion. Do we change universities' academic standards out of compassion for blacks and their history of persecution, or do we maintain college admission standards? Do we change military standards in order to enable women to enter fighting units or do we ask only what is the best policy to maintain military excellence?

The only answer that works -- and no answer is perfect in this imperfect world -- is to maintain standards in the macro and show compassion in the micro.

Every parent owes the same love and support to a gay child as to a straight child. In fact, all of us, parents or not, owe the same respect to gays as individuals as to heterosexual individuals. That does not mean, however, that marriage needs to be redefined. It does not mean that, all things being equal, it is not best for a child to have a male and female parent.

Compassion was the reason Senator Portman raised another issue: "My son," he said, "told us he was gay, and that it was not a choice."

This raises an obvious question. Prior to his son telling him that he did not choose to find men sexually attractive, did Senator Portman believe that gay men did choose to find men rather than women sexually attractive? Unlikely.

So why did he raise this? Because the "gays have no choice" issue tugs at people's hearts. Once again, compassion individual is supposed to trump all other considerations.

Finally, the senator also said:

"During my career in the House and the last couple of years in the Senate, I've taken a position against gay marriage rooted in part in my faith and my faith tradition." But he has been "rethinking my position, talking to my pastor and other religious leaders."

It would be interesting to find out what exactly his Christian pastor said to him. Did the pastor tell him that Christianity looks favorably on man-man marriage? Or that God made men and women essentially interchangeable? If so, why didn't this pastor tell this to the senator the whole time the senator opposed same-sex marriage?

A final note to parents of gays: Parents who believe in the man-woman definition of marriage do not owe it to their gay child to support the same-sex redefinition of marriage -- any more than gay children owe it to these parents to oppose same-sex marriage. Parents and children owe each other love and respect, not abandonment of convictions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; prager; progressives; robportman; samesexmarriage; sin; sodomhusseinobama; troll; zot
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To: cuban leaf
Hmmmm. Good idea. I *did* take a couple of Psyche courses in college. And I Feeeeeeeeeeeel like I'd do a good job at analysis.

Suppose that's enough, in the current environment?

61 posted on 03/19/2013 8:09:41 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Kaslin
After the Ball
62 posted on 03/19/2013 8:13:59 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: Kaslin

If your child is gay there is a good chance someone molested him, or her.


63 posted on 03/19/2013 8:14:46 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: Morpheus2009
they mistook my social awkwardness from trying to deal with Asperger’s Syndrome as something that was homosexual attraction

Bingo. Thanks to Asperger's I was called a "band fag" for years despite not being homosexual and not being in the band (or even able to play an instrument). Many people equate "different" with "gay". If I were in school now I'd be being actively encouraged by my teachers and peers to "come out". I wonder how many vulnerable kids who are merely socially awkward are being railroaded into the homosex lifestyle by the pro-gay environment in public schools?

64 posted on 03/19/2013 8:15:08 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: stuartcr

Feel free to explain all the ‘nuances’ that you understand. Feel free to explain how something that is wrong should be not only tolerated and accepted, but encouraged and expanded upon.


65 posted on 03/19/2013 8:15:16 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Kaslin

You are not doing your child any good by not recognizing sin and by not guiding him to avoid the sin. You can still love your child without supporting his decision to turn his back on God.


66 posted on 03/19/2013 8:18:01 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: RoadGumby

Easy, some people don’t think some things are wrong, while others think those things are.


67 posted on 03/19/2013 8:19:36 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Mercat

“Born that way” was never a good argument, in my view. Most of us, myself especially, were “born” selfish, self-centered and with the desire to benefit ourselves as fully as possible, with no regard for the “rights” of others. That’s why one of the words you hear from toddlers most is “mine.” As we grow older, we find out we are “born” to lie if it serves our immediate purpose, to steal if no one is looking, and to do all manner of things that give us pleasure. Do these tendencies make the behavior acceptable?

Of course not. We are taught not to take things from others, to tell the truth, to have good manners, etc. So some things we are “born” to do must not be done in order to fit into society.

Is being gay one of those things? THAT is a fair question; but to say that being gay is acceptable because one is “born that way” is a terribly weak argument.


68 posted on 03/19/2013 8:20:13 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: stuartcr

Most truths are simple.


69 posted on 03/19/2013 8:20:42 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: stuartcr

And your words and postings give away that you may be one that thinks those things are not wrong.


70 posted on 03/19/2013 8:21:48 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: AD from SpringBay

“If your child is gay there is a good chance someone molested him, or her.”

Yes, and notice how many politician kids turn out to be gay. These are kids whose parents have engagements almost every night and that are raised by hired help... and many wind up in bording school where the teachers live on campus. What kind of people do you think a teaching job on a remote bording school campus where you have to reside and give 24/7 access to the kids and pay about $40k per year will draw sometimes?


71 posted on 03/19/2013 8:22:40 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: jboot

You know, jboot, that’s the scary thought, how many kids MISTAKENLY come out as gay, when they’re probably just socially awkward or have Asperger’s Syndrome like you or I? It’s a frightening thought, and it sometimes worries me, although it might explain a number of things.


72 posted on 03/19/2013 8:24:52 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: lost in the snow
The correct word is homosexual. Gay is happy, joyful. We need to take the language back, and call the behavior what it is.

Newspeak in action. Renaming it redefines it.

73 posted on 03/19/2013 8:25:10 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: polymuser

Yes, and there are many different truths that people believe in.

It depends on one’s reference.


74 posted on 03/19/2013 8:25:29 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: faucetman
Here is my theory and I'm sticking to it.

There are several factors going on when a young man is recruited / molested. First, this is usually a young person. The younger, the more traumatic and confusing. They are not emotionally or mentally or spiritually equipped to process being molested. It is a rape on every level.

Secondly, there are physical mechanics. There is a dense bundle of nerves atop the prostate and behind the water works. During repeated 'stimulation' of this area, many men will get an erection and even experience ejaculation. Strange but true. Don't take my word for it. Do some research on prison rape victims. There's not much they can do about it.

Third, because of said confusion (emotional / spiritual / physical rape) and because of the body's response - the rape victim still has to process what went on. In other words, the rape victim has to cope with answering the question, 'How could I have had an orgasm from that?!' This happens to some women during rape as well. This goes back to 8th grade social studies and the concept of cognitive dissonance (if they still teach that any more) - the individual has to convince himself that his 'decision' (even though it was a purely physical response) was a good one and valid.

Then there is the societal message that it's ok / born that way / alternative lifestyle / blah blah blah. And thus, a new recruit, via chickenhawk, is added to the stables.
75 posted on 03/19/2013 8:28:13 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: stuartcr

Incorrect. By definition, there can not exist ‘different’ truths.


76 posted on 03/19/2013 8:28:55 AM PDT by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: RoadGumby

While I wouldn’t do either of those things, I don’t think they are right or wrong. It’s just behavior that may or may not be accepted by others or by whatever society they happen to be a part of.

Everyone has things they believe are wrong, and things they believe are right. That’s just how God made us.


77 posted on 03/19/2013 8:31:38 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Little Ray
Fags have us so snowed, it isn’t funny. They make up less than three percent of the population, but they practically own pop culture, and have people, even rational, reasonable people, thinking that they’re 20% of the population.

Remember though that the homosexual lobby includes a large number of garden-variety libturds. It's not just the gays themselves but the people they have snowed that fills their ranks.

78 posted on 03/19/2013 8:33:52 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Sacajaweau; SeekAndFind
Finally, the senator also said: “During my career in the House and also the last few years in the Senate, I’ve taken a position against gay marriage rooted in part in my faith and my faith tradition.” But he has been “rethinking my position, talking to my pastor and other religious leaders.”

Sorry you don’t change your faith or your values because your child takes a wrong path in life.

If your pastor tells you that it is ok to change your faith or your values to keep the love and respect of your child it is time to find a new pastor.

Dennis Prager is the wisest man on radio today.

79 posted on 03/19/2013 8:34:03 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: polymuser

I believe there can be...God can do anything, even create us as individuals with our own sense of right and wrong/truth and untruth.

I don’t believe there are any absolute moral truths.


80 posted on 03/19/2013 8:34:16 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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