Posted on 04/26/2013 3:46:50 PM PDT by raptor22
Federal Power: Homeland Security's procurement officer is grilled in Congress on why federal agents who rarely fire weapons need several times more bullets annually than an Army officer. Who or what are they shooting at?
Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz on Thursday asked Nick Nayak, DHS' chief procurement officer, a question we and others have been asking: Why has the Department of Homeland Security been buying so much ammunition?
Dismissed as a concern only of right-wing conspiracy theorists, the reported amounts as high as 2 billion rounds have varied and been explained not as a one-time purchase but a bulk buy over five years to reduce costs. It's one of the rare instances, apparently, a government agency has actually cared about such a thing.
Nayak appeared before Chaffetz's House oversight subcommittee to do what Obama administration officials are loath to do the actual math. Chaffetz has, and his number-crunching raises more questions than DHS has answered to date.
Chaffetz noted that the department currently has more than 260 million rounds in stock. He said the department bought more than 103 million rounds in 2012 and used 116 million that same year among roughly 70,000 agents.
Comparing that with the small-arms purchases by the U.S. Army, he said the DHS is churning through between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer per year, while the Army goes through roughly 350 per officer.
Nayak, acknowledging that the five-tear potential bullet buy could be as high as 750 million rounds, did not contest Chaffetz's math and said the massive buys were needed for training. DHS has procured "approximately 120 million rounds of ammunition per year of all calibers and types and fired approximately the same number of rounds per year, almost exclusively for training purposes," according to Nayak's testimony.
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I hope you manage to obtain some ammo!
Could it be because, they can’t hit the target they are aiming at?
I have PLENTY of 22LR from a few years ago (22lr and 12 ga were the only ammo available the last time we had an ammo run) so will have to use that at the range this week.
No big deal, I just stopped by a store I frequented in the past but they are now just flat out.
how many people in dhs have walked home a few boxes of ammo for themselves? seriously?!?
What do they use that many rounds on for operational purposes when they have training listed as a separate category?
Any guesses?
Damned good question considering this little fact in the article:
"Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), which falls under DHS's jurisdiction, fired "less than 100 rounds" during 15 shooting incidents last year, according to Humberto Medina, assistant director of ICE's' National Firearm and Tactical Training Unit."
So where did the other 27,899,900 rounds used 'for operational purposes' go?
My question is: How many rounds have actually been fired in DHS security operations (i.e. chasing armed illegals, terrorists (not including the recent Boston affair), criminals and crazy people?
My son has been a federal police officer for about 5 years and has never fired his weapon at a threat. He has drawn his weapon a couple times to keep an armed, crazy person at bay until his team could tackle and disarm the guys. He has never had to unleashed his K9 bomb sniffing dog on anyone.
He does have continual fire arms practice to keep his skills sharp (he was a combat sharpshooter), but this would only require a couple thousand rounds at year, at the most.
We need to know how many DHS people actually have firearms training/shooting and how much they fire off per person or per year total.
Then we might begin to get a better picture of what a firearms training program involves per number of people per agency and how many bullets they use in it.
I stocked up a few years ago, and now I’m really glad I did. I thought .223 was expensive at $250/1000, and now that seems practically free.
Thanks for the link, so they are admitting that they have more than 2 years of ammo on hand, what about the stuff in the warehouse and stashed way on offices.
This ammo is only the ammo they have available for internal distribution, it doesn’t count all the ammo they literally have.
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They need more ammo cause they can’t shoot worth a shite.
Remember when the LA cops were looking for Christopher Dornan and they shot those 2 women in the truck that they thought was his? The cops fired 200 rounds and hit the women 3 times.
these are the same cops who are training the dhs forces, so when they go to the range they use the 1,00 extra rounds and they’ll hit the targets 15 times TOTAL.
With only 15 holes in them, they can reuse the targets and that will save them some money.
Cups it be because, their targets are admittedly better armed than they are?
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My opinion on this is that the DHS & IRS who are both buying, are making sure that if they can get a crisis going this summer, Obama’s brownshirts, convicts and criminals will all have enough ammunition to keep the rest of the country at bay for them.
What do they use that many rounds on for operational purposes when they have training listed as a separate category?
Any guesses?
Of course there is no way this ammunition can be used at this rate. This is a very simple ploy to keep ammunition off the civilian market.
Very troubling.
Apparently they have more enemies than the Army.
Because when push comes to shove, they know most of us are NOT going quietly to the ovens?
How I LOATHE these b@stards. Every last one of them!
Just a thought, what if this ammo is destined for elsewhere.
It was suggested Benghazi may of been related to moving weapons, why not ammo to go with the arms? Or perhaps it is headed south of the border to go with the Fast & Furious guns?
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