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Report: Pentagon to open SEALs, Army Rangers to women
The Hill ^ | June 17, 2013 | Carlo Munoz

Posted on 06/17/2013 3:18:27 PM PDT by jazusamo

The Pentagon is planning to open the ranks of the Navy SEALs, the Army's elite Ranger units and other specialized combat outfits to female soldiers for the first time, according to reports.

The first opportunity female soliders will have to join the military's elite combat units will be with the Navy, according to Pentagon plans outlining the transition, obtained by the Associated Press on Monday.

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel could officially announce plans to expand access to those units as soon as Tuesday, according to the AP.

Hagel's pending announcement builds upon former Pentagon chief Leon Panetta's decision in January to end the military's long standing ban on women in combat.

The time lines set by the Department of Defense (DOD) to open Ranger and SEAL units up to female soldiers and sailors are still being reviewed by senior military leaders.

Navy officials will open up the service's Riverine Forces to eligible female candidates, beginning next month, the Pentagon plan states.

Women sailors who fit the service criteria will be able to enroll in the Riverine Combat Skills course, a rigorous 33-day program designed to teach "basic expeditionary combat training necessary to ... perform high risk operations when assigned to Navy Riverine Force Organizations," according to a service website.

Next up will be the Army, whose leaders plan to open up the service's Ranger School at Fort Benning, Ga. to female candidates beginning in 2015.

The service's vaunted Ranger regiments specialize in small-unit combat tactics, airborne assault operations and are seen as the main entryway into Army Special Forces.

Service leaders expect to have new training and qualification requirements for female Ranger candidates by July 2015, the AP reports.

A year later, according to the Pentagon's plans, women sailors will be able to participate in the Navy's Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training program at the Naval Special Warfare Training Center in Coronado, Calif.

BUD/S is seen as one of the most intense training programs in the U.S. military, with roughly 70 percent of SEAL candidates failing to complete the program.

SEAL teams are responsible for some of the most sensitive counter terrorism and combat operations conducted by American armed forces.

Members of the Navy's Special Warfare Development Group, also known as SEAL Team Six, conducted the May 2011 raid in Abottabad, Pakistan that ended with the death of al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden.

While allowing female soldiers and sailors the opportunity to join Ranger or SEAL teams is major milestone for the Pentagon, female soldiers have already begun to play a key role in U.S. special operations in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

All-women units, known as Female Engagement Teams, already work alongside American regular and special forces units to train and equip U.S.-backed local militias in Afghanistan.

Female soldiers and officers have also risen through the intelligence and personnel fields within Special Operations Command and the command's service components.

But with special operations forces set to grow, in both size and operational tempo, the opportunities for women within the command to take part in operations worldwide will only increase.

Those opportunities will likely fall under "indirect action" missions, such as long-term training and advising efforts with foreign militaries, rather than direct combat-type operations, like the Bin Laden raid.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: combat; feminism; rangers; seals; women
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL!


121 posted on 06/17/2013 4:47:43 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Chgogal

They train Seals at the Gulfarium. They get them to put basketballs through the net with near 100 per cent accuracy. Those are really highly trained Seals.

They also balance balls on their noses.


122 posted on 06/17/2013 4:47:43 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: Chgogal
I have no problem allowing people to attempt to earn a place in one of these elite units as long as the highest standards are met. If they fail then they fail.

Why keep saying something so silly, the standards never remain the same, it has been 40 years and that argument is just silly and even dishonest.

Do you realize that females have a different set of standards in the military, and that every school that they start attending changes standards to accommodate their lack of being able to perform?

Listen as a recent graduate of paratrooper school and a graduate of 40 years ago compare notes.

123 posted on 06/17/2013 4:48:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: ansel12

Currently 107 or higher GT score for Ranger and 107 or higher GT score and combat operations ASVAB score of 98 or higher for SF.


124 posted on 06/17/2013 4:48:43 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Lexington Green
My Dad would be very upset with you. He'd give you a good lecturing. ; )
125 posted on 06/17/2013 4:50:46 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: All; mickie; flaglady47; surfer; Dan Nunn; Bob Ireland; Bushbacker1; seekthetruth; gonzo; ...
You just KNOW the standards will be different and lowered for women. Who's kidding who? We all know Obama's agenda is to weaken our military in every way possible....and he's moving right along a a fast pace.

The women who qualify as Seals will certainly be Wonder Women types, but they never will have the upper body strength and other unique inner and outer body make-up that men have....and which characteristics every Seal warrior needs if HE is to be unique, elite and effective.

Every day it's a new in-your-face from the lunatic in the White House, isn't it!

I'm getting so tired of being sick and tired....with three and a half long years still to go.....damn!

Leni

126 posted on 06/17/2013 4:51:04 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: 5th MEB

Here’s a more up to date one— can females

Rappel from a helicopter in full combat gear for assault?:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/how-to-rappel-from-a-helicopter

Or infiltration/exfiltration by a variety of means:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/7-93/Ch6.htm

Having viewed these operations at Camp Pendleton and elsewhere-— especially, how could women manage Special infiltration/exfiltration as described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Patrol_Insertion/Extraction


127 posted on 06/17/2013 4:52:07 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: jazusamo
I know a little about SEAL training and all I can say is that you have got to be kidding? Everyday with this administration their is another stupid dumb-ass proposal being foisted on the American public. The whole bunch of them are clueless commie bastards in the business of practicing treason on this Country. Somewhere down the road I would like to see them all rounded up for treason, tried, and given a death sentence.
128 posted on 06/17/2013 4:52:24 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: so_real; glorgau
Battle Carry a wounded comrade ... in full gear ... over rough terrain ... under fire.

...when you haven't eaten or slept in two days.

129 posted on 06/17/2013 4:53:06 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Chgogal

0.0001% not worth the effort.
PC at it’s worst. The military isn’t going to be worth a bucket of BS after this.


130 posted on 06/17/2013 4:53:28 PM PDT by gfbtbb (Ladies and Gentlemen, we are on our own.)
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To: colorado tanker

The point of all of this is to get the feminist vote, it has nothing at all to do with readiness, warfighting, leadership or even the military writ large. They are just a tool for the lefty politicians.


131 posted on 06/17/2013 4:54:37 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
Same thing with abolishing DADT. It was all for the lefty base. I mean, seriously, how many gays really want to be in the military?

Just using the military to play politics. Problem is, there are times we really need a badass military to protect us.

132 posted on 06/17/2013 5:00:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Jack Hydrazine
This is also going to cause a lot of good men in these elite forces to leave because they don’t want to risk having sexual harassment charges being filed against them.

The military really does have two distinct cultures, depending on the presence or absence of women. I was a spook by trade, but a support guy in a SOF unit for 5 years. I had to live in both worlds at times, and the difference is jarring. Intelligence is largely a modern corporate culture. SOF is an old school warrior culture.

In Military Intelligence, Soldiers are well conditioned to be cautious and civil in speech and writing, to the extent you find in any professional office setting. A SOF operator, on the other hand, makes an average of 5 career ending inappropriate statements during the course of given day.

Applying Big Army speech and living arrangement standards to SOF culture will annihilate it. People that seek out dangerous work are wired for assertive, outgoing behavior. Simply put, there isn't any way to square the concerns of modern policy with a warrior culture. They cannot coexist. Destroying the warrior culture to make room for modern policy concerns will cause most SOF operators to drift away into other lines of work.

133 posted on 06/17/2013 5:01:41 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: TADSLOS
“There will either be two sets of standards for the same qualification or a total lowering of standards to ensure a successful completion rate for females commensurate with traditional rates for men. “

There will be no unit cohesion if there are two standards. These are small units based on earned trust. Two separate standards will not work. Odierno is a huge disappointment. Dempsey is a lying classless SOB with a whole bunch of bling. There I said it. If the standards are lowered then becoming a SEAL or a Ranger has no meaning after 2014. No point in signing up.

134 posted on 06/17/2013 5:02:45 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: jazusamo

WAFJ!


135 posted on 06/17/2013 5:04:20 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Have to disagree. Some women I have met are probably physically capable and mentally capable; they are just very rare, tough examples of the gender, not the standard.
Just remember the bosses in the Pentagon are political appointees; if not affirmative action, at the very least for outstanding political correctness.
I think if Obunghole wants this type of unit, it should be an all female unit.
Mixed units are NOT good for morale, unless they are “in the rear with the gear”.


136 posted on 06/17/2013 5:05:15 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Steel Wolf
Based on our current societal trajectory, it's probably best that we cut spending on sharp objects sooner than later.

Sad but very astute statement. BTTT

137 posted on 06/17/2013 5:05:48 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: centurion316

Re your Post #14.

You hit it out of the ball park.


138 posted on 06/17/2013 5:06:50 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TADSLOS

Wow, 107 for SF, that is fairly recent.


139 posted on 06/17/2013 5:09:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberalism/libertarianism, empowers, creates and imports, and breeds, economic liberals.)
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To: jazusamo

Women are about to find out that they are women... if they have to perform at the same level as the men... not one woman will make it. Since we know they will bend whatever rules gives the left what they want... some will get through.

LLS


140 posted on 06/17/2013 5:10:26 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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