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Marco Rubio's 2016 Chances Are Alive and Well
New Republic ^ | 08/02/2013 | Nate Cohn

Posted on 08/02/2013 9:51:01 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Senator Marco Rubio’s immigration reform effort is in danger. It might seem like his presidential ambitions are in trouble, too. His numbers are down; Chris Christie, Rand Paul, and Ted Cruz are starting to dominate the media’s discussion of 2016. In response, Rubio seems desperate to reestablish his conservative credentials, even by associating with a losing fight to defund Obamacare. That knee-jerk response calls Rubio’s political instincts into question, but his presidential chances are still alive, even if his immigration effort is on life support.

Rubio’s immigration bid probably hurt him on the right, but Rubio was never a natural fit to be the Tea Party candidate. He’s neither instinctually ultra-conservative nor a firebreather. Instead, Rubio has the classic profile of a mainline conservative: His policies represent the consensus of the Republican Party (other than immigration), and he has the temperament of a mainstream candidate. Put differently, he’s a lot more like George W. Bush or Paul Ryan than Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachman. And so long as Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, or whoever else sought the allegiance of the far right, there probably wouldn’t be space for someone with Rubio’s disposition.

But it’s not so bad to be left out of the Tea Party. Yeah, you’d rather be a Tea Party candidate than a dreaded moderate, but the optimum Republican presidential candidate is a mainline conservative—someone who’s conservative enough for the Tea Party, doesn’t scare away the establishment, and doesn’t alienate either the religious or business wing of the party. From there, the candidate either needs to build a critical mass of support within the party (the so-called invisible primary), or go out on the ground and convince voters in Iowa or New Hampshire (while hoping that no other candidate wins the invisible primary).

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; 2016gopprimary; amnesty; marcorubio; naturalborncuban; rubio; rubio2016
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To: sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; DoughtyOne

Just one more thread today, that leaves me shaking my head.
One can’t even see a difference between Rubio and Cruz. God help us.


81 posted on 08/02/2013 11:39:57 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Has Cruz finally drunk the cool-aid?

Whew, where have all the Conservative men gone?


82 posted on 08/02/2013 11:41:40 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

What did Cruz say/do?


83 posted on 08/02/2013 11:42:45 AM PDT by halo66
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To: WhiskeyX

RE: Voting for Marco Rubio when he is a Presidential candidate makes the person voting for him an accessory to an acto of treason, because Marco Rubio is not a natural born U.S. Citizen and is therefore ineligible to occupy the Office of the President or Vice President.

Wouldn’t the same argument apply to the more consistently conservative Ted Cruz too?


84 posted on 08/02/2013 11:43:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Take it from someone who would have worked hard for Rubio. He has done serious damage to his political future, and it was for nothing. He sold out his Tea Party cred for a pop culture moment. What else is he willing to compromise?


85 posted on 08/02/2013 11:44:47 AM PDT by pallis
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Put differently, he’s a lot more like George W. Bush or Paul Ryan than Rick Santorum or Michelle Bachman.

He says that like it's a good thing. GOP weenie.

86 posted on 08/02/2013 11:48:44 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: pallis

He sold out his Tea Party cred for a pop culture moment. What else is he willing to compromise?


Single payer is the obvious one. Big money will back that one just like they are backing amnesty. The corportists can’t wait to get out of the employee health care benefit biz.


87 posted on 08/02/2013 11:48:49 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: lodi90

Rubio on Defunding Obamacare: “We Have to Do This” (VIDEO)

http://blog.heritage.org/2013/08/01/marco-rubio-on-defunding-obamacare-we-have-to-do-this-video/


88 posted on 08/02/2013 11:56:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: DoughtyOne

” Has Cruz finally drunk the cool-aid?”

I should have said one FReeper can’t even see the difference between Cruz and Rubio. My bad sentence confused people.


89 posted on 08/02/2013 11:57:26 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: halo66

Cruz didn’t do anything wrong. I wrote a poorly worded sentence.


90 posted on 08/02/2013 11:58:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Wouldn’t the same argument apply to the more consistently conservative Ted Cruz too?”

Yes, because Ted Cruz was born in Canada while his father was not a citizen of the United Stgates. His father fought beside Fidel Castro until he became aware Fidel Castro was a Communist. Father and son became devoted opponents of Communism. In any event, Ted Cruz is ineligible to the Office of the President and Vice President. because he is not a natural born U.S. citizen.


91 posted on 08/02/2013 12:00:43 PM PDT by WhiskeyX ( provides a system for registering complaints about unfair broadcasters and the ability to request a)
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To: SeekAndFind; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; Tennessee Nana; Liz; TADSLOS; DoughtyOne; ...
As I said before, if it ere Rubio vs Hillary, YOU’LL GET AMNESTY JUST THE SAME. If that one issue is all one cares for, then we’ll get amnesty with liberal judges, Obamacare, higher taxes and the rest...

If we get Rubio and amnesty, thanks to 10s of millions of new leftist voters, we will have a one party leftist system like Mexico's PRI that was in charge for 70 years. Permanent leftist majorities in both houses forever, leftist POTUSes with 100% leftist department heads, forever,

and every justice on the SCOTUS the same as Obama's 2 new appointments. Rubio? Never!

92 posted on 08/02/2013 12:05:04 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: TADSLOS

No kidding.


93 posted on 08/02/2013 12:05:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (K I L L T H E B I L L !!)
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To: SeekAndFind
For the New Republic to be advising Republicans, Conservatives or any patriotic, God fearing, American, on any subject, is ludicrous.

The New Republic has been carrying water for those seeking to deconstruct the American heritage for as long as any of us have been around.

William Flax

94 posted on 08/02/2013 12:06:30 PM PDT by Ohioan
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

RE: If we get Rubio and amnesty, thanks to 10s of millions of new leftist voters, we will have a one party leftist system like Mexico’s PRI that was in charge for 70 years.

Change the name Rubio to Hillary Clinton and that’s what you’ll get as well.

With some major differences — ABORTION, GUN CONTROL, GAY MARRIAGE, TAX INCREASES, LIBERAL JUDGES, etc.


95 posted on 08/02/2013 12:07:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the authors of the Schumber-Rubio amnesty bill in 2009 said:

““We’ve got to secure the borders in our existing system first before we can even begin to have a conversation about the other elements of immigration,” he said then, adding in a debate that “earned path to citizenship is basically code for amnesty.”


96 posted on 08/02/2013 12:07:56 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Not trying to be overly critical, because you’ve done what I do all the time. If we get...

No, we’ve already got one party rule. We just have to quit fighting against recognizing it for what it is.


97 posted on 08/02/2013 12:10:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kill the bill... Begin enforcing our current laws, signed by President Ronald Reagan.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

If you consider Dole, GWB, McCain and Romney as the last four picks, Rubio sounds PLENTY conservative compared to them especially if we dont read between the lines.


98 posted on 08/02/2013 12:12:36 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Viennacon; 0.E.O
You’re correct. If he runs for president, that seat would be open

If memory serves Biden did not resign until after he was elected VP. I could be wrong, my memory is not what it used to be.

Bob Dole did resign but I seem to recall that they said he was not obligated to give up his seat.

99 posted on 08/02/2013 12:13:51 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Thanks for the clarification, after I read your statement again, I thought maybe you meant something different...meaning there IS a difference between Rubio and Cruz. Cheers!


100 posted on 08/02/2013 12:14:56 PM PDT by halo66
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