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Can you guess why Americans keep older cars longer?
The Los Angeles Daily News / The Associated Press ^ | August 6, 2013 | Tom Krisher

Posted on 08/07/2013 3:50:29 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Americans are keeping their cars and trucks longer than ever, and even with new car sales increasing, the average age will continue to rise, an industry research firm says.

The average age of the 247 million cars and trucks on U.S. roads hit a record of 11.4 years in January, the latest figures available from state registration data gathered by the Polk research firm.

That's up from 11.2 years in 2012, and nearly two full years older than in 2007, before the start of the Great Recession, Polk said Tuesday....

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: automakers; automobiles; automotive; autosales; bhoeconomy; economy; recession; trends
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m like most of the people on this thread; mostly drive an older vehicle (’86 Nissan Hardbody, 91,000 miles, paid $5250 new, could have got a little batter deal). The neighborhood is flooded with newer vehicles, however; even the illegals have a 2009. They all assume I am going to be buried in the pickup which may be true.


151 posted on 08/07/2013 8:44:09 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: tet68

I’ve a 61 VW Two door Truck....


152 posted on 08/07/2013 8:44:50 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.)
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To: knarf

Your list describes my life with a ‘93 Altima that I purchased new 123,000 miles ago. I had a $2500 repair after driving from WA to FL and back. Other than that, just maintenance. I’ve been fortunate to find good service guys who don’t take advantage of my total ignorance of things mechanical.

I actually like this car, I talk to her, I occasionally give her dashboard a little pat and say thanks.

Crazy? Not. Many years ago, I had a really old clunker that I drove to work over a mountain pass day after day. Named her Zoe. “Come on, Zoe, you can do it,” I’d say aloud.

Then one evening I took a very neurotic relative out for dinner. She flipped out in the passenger seat, screamed at me for having such a terrible, dangerous car. Made quite a scene. The very next day, Zoe blew her engine on the pass. My friend, a physicist at Hughes Research, agreed that the bad vibes created by the crazy lady probably caused Zoe to die.


153 posted on 08/07/2013 8:59:48 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely expressed as advice)
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To: TurboZamboni

I use the 99 Escort primarily for work so it only has 68000 actual. Getting my money’s worth out of it and it’s too old for the state to tax me for more than the $25 licensing fee.


154 posted on 08/07/2013 9:06:50 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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The choice is do I spent $1000 on a major repair and the car is like new or do I spent $1000 for just 2 months of a car payment?


155 posted on 08/07/2013 9:08:10 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Artie
I’m guessing record income and spending power.

Well done! Obviously you don't work for the MSM, LOL

156 posted on 08/07/2013 9:08:24 AM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have a white 1998 Mark 8 Lincoln that has 40,325 actual miles on it. What happens with time is car parts become hard to find. The older, the greater, the likely hood ... any parts will have to come from a salvage yard. And age not mileage becomes the cause of many needed parts. Window seals, trim, etc. my car has been garaged 95% of the time or more. It cost me over a $1,300.00 to replace a headlight!!!! This is the second one. The first only only cost $400.00 . When the second side burned out, it was no longer possible to get it from the manufacturer, it had become a whole new "set of headlights," all joined together in one piece.. Very frustrating.

Otherwise I really do like the Mark. And there is no intention to replace it ... until, it is a 'must situation'. Someone will get a car that has been gently driven.

157 posted on 08/07/2013 9:17:53 AM PDT by geologist ("If you love me, keep my commands" .... John 14 :15)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do because personal property tax in Kansas is so damn high. I suppose I could do like about 25% of Kansas residents do, which is to tag in another state (usually Texas).


158 posted on 08/07/2013 9:22:55 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Goodbye America. Glad the majority of my years were spent during the good days.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I won’t let my JEEP go anywhere w/o me so it’s doesn’t get ‘mixed up’ with those older. ;)


159 posted on 08/07/2013 9:41:16 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

Wife’s minivan-105K, my Vibe 230K (I drive 65-90 miles a day) Daughter’s Volvo 250K, Daughter’s Vibe 125K (just bought it this week. Her Sable has 190K on it. We might keep it.


160 posted on 08/07/2013 9:45:27 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-NOT IN MY TROOP)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

later


161 posted on 08/07/2013 9:48:47 AM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: glorgau

When I was a kid, I worked for a guy who had a pretty cool car collection. A couple mid-60’s vette’s, Jaguars, Benz, a yet to be restored AC Bristol. His everyday driver was a Pacer. He loved the thing.


162 posted on 08/07/2013 9:53:21 AM PDT by cyclotic (Hey BSA-NOT IN MY TROOP)
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To: Veto!
I have a 97 Grand Am with 239 K.

Wellll ... the odometer stopped at 239 and I have no idea how long it had driven with 239 and I've got about another thou on it.

Smooth as silk engine but I have no idea if it's original or not.

When I had the inspection the guy said the exhausr was original .. and it was solid and tight.

Gas tank leaks at the seam in two places so I can't fill it to take a mileage reading ... but it rides SO nice.

Paid 500 for it and I've got about 4 in tires, fuel pressure guage, oil change and filters, and some other things I can't remember right now.


My OTHER miracle is a 93 Nissan pick-up .. in the shop now having (pretty much a new) frame welded/patched.

Paid a thou for it three years ago

Might be her last year ... not much parent metal left ... my man is welding on the the patches we did LAST year.

24MPG, 4WD hi & lo and has hauled more firewood than I can guesstimate ... at LEAST 30 or so cords of wood over the last 3 years.

I'll MISS that truck when the frame just splits and drops.

163 posted on 08/07/2013 10:08:11 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: paterfamilias

My post was strictly concerning the current cost of a vehicle.

I, too, usually buy an older used vehicle. The 1990 Mazda 626 I mentioned was bought new to replace a 1974 Dodge Aspen which continually died in the middle of an intersection. The Mazda, unfortunately, was not immortal. It died after someone pulled in front of me from a side street. The Mazda had recovered from being hit by a drunk in a 1978 Olds 98 and a deer on the I-85. This time the impact wrinkled the roof and I could put my hand between the door frame & body with the door closed.

The Mazda had 426,000 miles on it. It went 359,000 on the original clutch disk. Good car!

Our current vehicles are a 2004 Honda CR-V 200,000 miles, a 1997 Subaru Outback, 236,000 miles and a 1998 Ford E-350 with 298,000 miles.

”Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without.” To that I would add, keep it running as long as resonably practical.


164 posted on 08/07/2013 10:13:59 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Lazamataz

2008 Ford Fusion -100k miles - runs strong - will keep
2008 HUMMER Alpha - 90,000 miles - Obama killed HUMMER - will keep
2000 BMW 740i- 89,000 miles - car screams and is not Eco modified like current models - will keep


165 posted on 08/07/2013 10:31:57 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: -YYZ-

I know that.Co-workers keep telling me I should get some of that moldy money out of my mattress and get a new car.I’ve checked the mattress twice and all I found was some coins that fell out of my pocket from a time I laid down fully clothed and tired.


166 posted on 08/07/2013 10:46:36 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Bshaw

2001 Mercury Mountie AWD with the 5 liter engine-130,000 miles and still rolling, gave it to my son and hope to get him through college with it, he’s a senior in high school.

2003 Mazda MPV minvan that my wife has put 160,000 miles on, hope to get another 2 yrs. out of it, maybe 3.

2006 Mercury Grand Marquis that I drive with 62K on it, will drive it until it falls to pieces since they have stopped making this big car.

Got a daughter turning 16 in a couple yrs. and she will get a used sentra, corolla or civic.

The new cars are way overpriced and I hate car payments!


167 posted on 08/07/2013 10:56:25 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: woodbutcher1963
The people with the expensive water front real estate pay all the taxes(Romney types).

Some of our family live on part of the original land grant from the 1600s--yep waterfront. Nothing special in terms of a dwelling, but the State there charges phenomenal taxes for a river that didn't cost them a cent to build.

Between the State and Federal Management, a river I crabbed, fished, clammed and oystered in 50 years ago is a virtual dead zone full of snakeheads and catfish, with silted over oyster bars, stripped of aquatic vegetation. Residents are prohibited from erecting new erosion control structures, and have to obtain up to nine permits to cut down a tree (planted by ancestors 180 years ago).

If they could have paid less in taxes and let the waterman's association take care of the river, chances are there would have been a better outcome.

168 posted on 08/07/2013 2:30:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SoothingDave
I have driven off-lease and former rental vehicles for years. They are older, high mileage, but the buy in is so low I only carry liability. They have been well maintained, may have minor body damage, but If I get 25,000 miles out of them, I got my money's worth--and those not hit by some idiot last much longer. The fleet ranges in age from 72 (not off-lease) to 13 years old.

I'm out to avoid the black box, don't want GPS or any of the whistles and bells, and find air conditioning and an effective heater to be luxurious. I prefer vehicles I can work on, especially after being nearly stranded in subzero weather by a bad O2 sensor and a fouled catalytic converter. (Perfectly operable engine, just the antipollution junk could have cost me my life.) I have saved thousands in the difference between having to pay for full coverage and loan interest and a cash on the barrel head deal on a vehicle I carry liability only on.

One thing to note: we do not have the emissions inspections in this state many others do, primarily because our vehicle population density is much less. That makes driving an older vehicle a mite simpler, too.

169 posted on 08/07/2013 2:42:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Principled

Mre. kearnyirish had a new car before we were married; it is the only new car either of us ever had.


170 posted on 08/07/2013 2:44:47 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: redgolum

“My goal is that if the yearly repair bills are less than six month of car payments, keep the car. My bride’s Buick is getting to the point were that is an issue. My truck’s only issue is AC, but that is what windows are for.”

I agree, but my car is so old that putting six months’ worth of payment into it might be foolish. I’ll drive it until it falls apart, but as it ages that day is coming.


171 posted on 08/07/2013 2:46:18 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: woodbutcher1963
How is your frame?

Some corrosion, but they took it in and pit an undercoating on it. I've had rust issues though. Once while driving up to a job 4 hours away at 2am, I heard this loud boom, like I hit something. Pulled over (it was pitch dark and nobody on the road at that time) I didn't see anything, saw nothing unusual so I continued. When I got to the jobsite it was daylight, I looked under the truck and saw the gas tank hanging by the hose connecting it to the fill pipe. The strap and the metal plate holding the tank in place had completely rotted and fallen on the highway. So I've had my share of issues with the truck. Over the years I've replaced the gas tank strap, engine and universal joint. The 4 wheel drive no longer works but at this point I don't want to put big $$$ into it so I'M HOPING to baby it along for another year. We'll see

172 posted on 08/07/2013 3:58:44 PM PDT by RedStateGuyTrappedinCT
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
my 2004 Camry that I drive was part of my inheritance from my dad, who bought this car just before my mom passed away.

..it was sl used then, he managed to bend the frame in an accident but it was fixed properly, and its been one easy running economical car forever..

..it has almost 200,000 miles on it and has been back and forth across the country several times....

knock on wood no major problems at all....

not let me tell you about my 1993 Plymouth Voyager...):

173 posted on 08/07/2013 4:36:37 PM PDT by cherry
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To: GOPJ

Chrysler Sebring.


174 posted on 08/07/2013 4:51:00 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: cherry

Dollar for dollar the best car I ever had was my ‘92 Camry, V6. My 16 y.o. daughter wanted to drive it to the “library” to do “research” for homework during an icy snowstorm. I was adamant that she not, it was the kind of night I would not have gone out in, except in an emergency. I offered to drive her, leave her and come back for her. She refused, and insisted she drive herself. Her mother jumped in, and I was forced, against my better judgment, to relent. Surprisingly she slid into a telephone pole on way back from the mall - nowhere near the route to the library. That was the end of the Camry. It wasn’t sexy, but it was a fine car.


175 posted on 08/07/2013 5:36:56 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: RedStateGuyTrappedinCT

I had a similar experience with the spare tire holder.
Driving to work one morning it detached and went bouncing down the road behind me. I saw it bounding along in my rear view mirror. Fortunately, the car following me was actually back about 150 feet and was able to avoid my tire. Also, I was on a country road only going about 35 mph. At least, I was not going 70 down the highway. I could have caused a major accident.

This was about a 2 weeks before I turned it in to Toyota. So, I guess I would advise you to check that cable/bracket holding on your spare.


176 posted on 08/08/2013 5:59:58 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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