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The Cops Can Take Away Your Cash, Car, Or House — Even If You're Never Convicted Of A Crime
Business Insider ^ | 08/07/2013 | Erin Fuchs

Posted on 08/07/2013 7:08:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The New Yorker's Sarah Stillman has a heartbreaking story out on an appalling police tacticcivil forfeiture, which lets local police departments make tons of money from taking supposed criminals' property.

Civil forfeiture is largely a product of the war on drugs. In 1984, Congress passed an omnibus crime bill that gave local police departments a cut of the assets seized during drug raids and other investigations.

Through civil forfeiture, cops can take property they believe was obtained illicitly before you're convicted of any wrongdoing in a court of law. The people whose assets have been seized then have to go to court to try to get it back, which may cost more money than the property itself.

In many cases, civil forfeiture affects poor minorities who have little recourse.

The New Yorker profiled one elderly West Philadelphia couple, Mary and Leon Adams, whose home was seized after their son allegedly sold $20 worth of pot on their porch. (They received an eviction notice but were able to stay in their home during the forfeiture proceedings because of Leon's health conditions.) They were never even charged with a crime.

Victor Ramos Guzman, a Pentecostal church secretary from El Salvador, was driving $28,500 worth of parishioners' donations to buy a new parcel of land for the church with his brother-in-law when they were stopped for speeding in Virginia.

The state trooper who stopped him seized the cash, according to The New Yorker.

Guzman only got it back with the help of David Smith, who was a high-up lawyer with the Justice Department's Forfeiture Office during the Reagan administration but now defends victims of the policy for free.

"We could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the money was church money from parishioners’ donations,” Smith told The New Yorker.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilforfeiture; wod
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1 posted on 08/07/2013 7:08:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, its for the children.


2 posted on 08/07/2013 7:08:38 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: SeekAndFind

well, I guess THAT explains why people sign up for a dangerous, physically demanding job where the starting base salary is generally under $30K.


3 posted on 08/07/2013 7:09:15 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

The Cops Can Take Away Your Cash, Car, Or House, OR LIFE — Even If You’re Never Convicted Of A Crime........


4 posted on 08/07/2013 7:11:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Puppage

Nothing scarier than ‘law and order’ statists.


5 posted on 08/07/2013 7:11:48 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have never understood how this practice has survived legal challenges.

Makes the court system look like a fraud.


6 posted on 08/07/2013 7:13:34 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember that incident with the church money. I wondered if they ever got it back. It’s good that they did. Even cops better not piss G_d off..........


7 posted on 08/07/2013 7:14:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is not new. Back during the Salem Witch Trials, once the magistrates got a “Guilty” or “Not Guilty” plea the local sheriff would then seize the person’s property.

One man accused, refused to plea and died under being tortured with heavy rocks placed on his chest. His last words were...”More weight!” His property was not confiscated as he had not made a plea.


8 posted on 08/07/2013 7:20:31 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Red Badger
The Cops Can Take Away Your Cash, Car, Or House, OR LIFE — Even If You’re Never Convicted Of A Crime........

And, our liberties and freedoms and make us prisoners in our own country.

9 posted on 08/07/2013 7:21:56 AM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." The LORD said it would be like this.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the many reasons I oppose the WOD.


10 posted on 08/07/2013 7:22:38 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It has nothing to do with drugs. It’s the government showing its hatred for private property and finding a devious way to confiscate it.
See the communist manifesto.


11 posted on 08/07/2013 7:22:40 AM PDT by I want the USA back (There's no autocorrect for stupidity.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

RE: Back during the Salem Witch Trials, once the magistrates got a “Guilty” or “Not Guilty” plea the local sheriff would then seize the person’s property.

We did not have the Constitution or the Bill of Rights then. Now, we have them. What’s their excuse now?


12 posted on 08/07/2013 7:23:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Victor Ramos Guzman, a Pentecostal church secretary from El Salvador, was driving $28,500 worth of parishioners' donations to buy a new parcel of land for the church with his brother-in-law when they were stopped for speeding in Virginia.

He was driving with that much cash? If true, Victor needs to be replaced as church secretary.

13 posted on 08/07/2013 7:23:52 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: RetiredArmy

All they have to say is, “I felt threatened.”........


14 posted on 08/07/2013 7:23:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just like with traffic tickets, the incentive becomes to go after those with something which can be taken, and ignore those with nothing to take. The cops become bandits with uniforms.


15 posted on 08/07/2013 7:24:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: TurboZamboni

If you can find one person here that approves of stealing folks property or money before they are convicted of anything, I’ll be shocked.

There are many law and order people here.

Don’t go wobbly on us...


16 posted on 08/07/2013 7:26:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today, from behind the Camelskin Curtain.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everyone is missing the point here. At least the officers got home safe to their families.


17 posted on 08/07/2013 7:26:23 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: SeekAndFind

Kinda odd that the male Pentecostal church secretary from El Salvador never put the money in the bank. They must do things differently down there.


18 posted on 08/07/2013 7:27:54 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Obama: What did I not know and when did I not know it?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Cops Can Take Away Your Cash, Car, Or House — Even If You're Never Convicted Of A Crime

Under comrade 0bama, a Police State is for "the common good" of the proletariat!

/sarc

19 posted on 08/07/2013 7:28:16 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Who in DC is looking out for The Constitution, Bill of Rights, much less ME?)
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To: DoughtyOne

I hate statists.

People that think bigger government can be good if it’s ‘their’ guy/gal in charge.

Asset forfeiture laws are dumb and made to be abused.


20 posted on 08/07/2013 7:29:10 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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